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ascariss
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Posted: 2018-07-15 19:53
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On 2018-07-15 19:09:46, HxH wrote:
XZ2 has same IMX400 from XZ Premium but yield different result with reshape ISP thing

I wonder how 'Akatsuki' will perform with single redesign 7-piece lens when compare to it Premium counterpart


at this stage if they insisted on single sensor solution
I do think they need FHD+ OLED adding up to make some differences between two flagship products.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2018-07-15 18:10 ]



Is this somewhere confirmed that the XZ2P 7 lens setup would be used on the IFA device?

I am sure there are photos from the xz2p that only use the one colour sensor, so the quality of those photos should be an indicator of what one could expect from the ifa device(s).

Of course the use of f1.8 lens would also help with the photos.
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Posted: 2018-07-15 20:06
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On 2018-07-15 19:45:55, pigletsquid wrote:

On 2018-07-15 09:52:03, rubik_cat wrote:
LG's RGBW(MLCD+) and WhiteMagic is quite different sub-pixel technology.


Different how exactly? Aren't they both just using a fourth (white) sub-pixel?


In theory yes they are similar but not same layout.

Sony
http://www.brighthand.com/new[....]el-lcd-tech-to-1080p-displays/



https://www.sony-asia.com/mic[....]012h1/rx100/display/index.html



And here is actual evidence of the subpixel structure from endgadget
https://www.engadget.com/2012/06/03/sony-xperia-p-review/



Now LG display

https://www.androidauthority.com/lg-g7-thinq-mlcd-display-861285/




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Posted: 2018-07-15 20:34
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On 2018-07-15 19:28:56, pigletsquid wrote:

On 2018-07-15 19:09:46, HxH wrote:
XZ2 has same IMX400 from XZ Premium but yield different result with reshape ISP thing

I wonder how 'Akatsuki' will perform with single redesign 7-piece lens when compare to it Premium counterpart


at this stage if they insisted on single sensor solution
I do think they need FHD+ OLED adding up to make some differences between two flagship products.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2018-07-15 18:10 ]

What is the redesign 7-piece lens you mention? Is this a new rumour? I have not heard this before, maybe I just missed it...

I am surprised how Sony and HTC still stick to LCD when even the newer Chinese companies are able to source OLED displays.


The answer is very clear: SONY and HTC want to stay at LCD as long as possible. We all see how bad the OLED can bring to us. Burn-in still here, some may never happen, some appear in just a few month. Samsung use it just because they produce it. Cost is nothing on them. Chinese company is just buying those low quality OLED display.

Still remember Sony Mobile hiring OLED specialist? That days will come anyway. Not much time for Xperia to survive.

(I am 80% believe that 2019/2020 is the deadline for Xperia, either keep or shut down. 5G is their very last chance.)
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Posted: 2018-07-15 20:45
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On 2018-07-15 19:53:17, ascariss wrote:

On 2018-07-15 19:09:46, HxH wrote:
XZ2 has same IMX400 from XZ Premium but yield different result with reshape ISP thing

I wonder how 'Akatsuki' will perform with single redesign 7-piece lens when compare to it Premium counterpart


at this stage if they insisted on single sensor solution
I do think they need FHD+ OLED adding up to make some differences between two flagship products.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2018-07-15 18:10 ]



Is this somewhere confirmed that the XZ2P 7 lens setup would be used on the IFA device?

I am sure there are photos from the xz2p that only use the one colour sensor, so the quality of those photos should be an indicator of what one could expect from the ifa device(s).

Of course the use of f1.8 lens would also help with the photos.


The sad news is XZ2P single cam is as good as the XZ2.
Large aperture won't be a good idea. Adjustable will be better. U don't need 1.8 under sunlight. If they can put ND filter will be even better.
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Posted: 2018-07-15 21:18
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Good evening ...

http://m.eprice.com.tw/mobile[....]ony-xperia-xz2-premium-review/

You can compare samples of MOTION EYE DUAL ( left) x MOTION EYE ( right) .
Now you can have idea on how uselful AUBE can be.
They are full sized, so you can download and check on your computer..

They look better if you resize to 8MP or less.

Even with white pixel.this screen seems to be better than previous 4K.
Those Bravia techs do miracles...
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HxH
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Posted: 2018-07-16 03:10
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On 2018-07-15 19:28:56, pigletsquid wrote:

What is the redesign 7-piece lens you mention? Is this a new rumour? I have not heard this before, maybe I just missed it...



this is their advertise : redesign 7 piece lens which I refer to around 0.22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6iOiZHXVs



On 2018-07-15 19:53:17, ascariss wrote:


Is this somewhere confirmed that the XZ2P 7 lens setup would be used on the IFA device?



Nope, just optimistic but my tolerance will not last for very the same camera setup from last year.



On 2018-07-15 20:34:42, skyXperia wrote:


The answer is very clear: SONY and HTC want to stay at LCD as long as possible. We all see how bad the OLED can bring to us. Burn-in still here, some may never happen, some appear in just a few month. Samsung use it just because they produce it. Cost is nothing on them. Chinese company is just buying those low quality OLED display.

Still remember Sony Mobile hiring OLED specialist? That days will come anyway. Not much time for Xperia to survive.

(I am 80% believe that 2019/2020 is the deadline for Xperia, either keep or shut down. 5G is their very last chance.)



The answer is very clear, they're both broke (mobile division)
and not really good at taking risk unlike those Chinese businesses

I think bit different approach with 2021 is deadline because telecommunications licensee patent from Ericsson will reach it 10th anniversary in 2022 and decision to extending is about time to happen or not?

Anyway, World Cup 2018 is weird to me, Sony didn't take BRAVIA advertise to stadium banners,
AFAIR it is Toshiba Regza take opportunity which is totally puzzle me
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Posted: 2018-07-16 03:36
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So anyone want to clue us in on Sony's design philosophy here? Do we know why the mid rangers are getting more desirable features like thin side bezels and headphone jacks while the flagships are not? This XZ2 Plus just looks more like a flagship in a lot of ways than the XZ2.

I'm guessing these mid rangers we saw at CES and recently are just older designs they're pushing through because they already had done the R&D work on them, but it creates a very confusing message to consumers when your flagships are missing features that your mid rangers have, and some of those midrangers are arguably better designed.

I mean, if they had used the XA2 Plus design for the XZ2 Premium they could have just made the phone 2mm thicker to match the current thickness of the XZ2P and then they would've been able to push the camera and fingerprint sensor up to more sensible locations. That's just one example I can think of that would've made more sense.
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Posted: 2018-07-16 10:47
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Anyone noticed how rapidly "Xperia XZ2 Premium - the ultimate creation machine" video views on YouTube has grown? It grew 120,000 views since yesterday evening (14:00 CET). Now it has 400,000 views.
[ This Message was edited by: AlvinZahranM on 2018-07-16 10:03 ]
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Posted: 2018-07-16 10:56
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On 2018-07-16 10:47:09, AlvinZahranM wrote:
Anyone noticed how rapidly "Xperia XZ2 Premium - the ultimate creation machine" video views on YouTube has grown? It grew 120,000 views since yesterday evening (20:00). Now it has 400,000 views.



I will be buying one making the switch back to Sony. Then Sony will release an Ultra flagship variant either in CES or MWC and screw me over.

What I like the most about XZ2 Premium is the 16:9 screen ratio.
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Posted: 2018-07-16 11:06
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I thought Premium is the new Ultra since Z5P launch. Yeah, they're not the same because of the different screen sizes between the two and no pencil support.

You should try 18:9 display. I think it is great for overall daily use but a bit annoying only when viewing 16:9 pictures and videos (only a bit).
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Posted: 2018-07-16 12:01
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I think they increased screen just to fit DVS and Aube.
With 5.5 de device would be bit shorter.
Battery might have been compromised.
Lower ppi will help the wrgb to push brightness.
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Posted: 2018-07-16 12:02
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New Flagship Smartphone camera with AUBE and OIS
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Posted: 2018-07-16 14:10
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No need for OIS. High iso eliminates this need.
Bigger sensor is more important.

I read that when phone decides to use only the rgb the bw is used to improve focus.
I did not know such thing existed.
Also that HDR goes OFF with dual cam ON. Why?

Just read a comment that in HK phone costs $866 by Sony, but can be found for $700.
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ascariss
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Posted: 2018-07-16 15:52
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On 2018-07-16 14:10:18, Moe87 wrote:
No need for OIS. High iso eliminates this need.
Bigger sensor is more important.



no it doesn't iso is for light sensitivity while ois is for shake, quite different.
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he meant that higher iso let you to set a slower shutter speed....
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