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Xajel
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Posted: 2017-07-24 06:45
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On 2017-07-23 19:41:38, ADIDA wrote:
Next year: MWC 3 Model(2 midrange and 1 flagship) and IFA 3 Model( XZ2, XZ2 Compact, XZ2 Premium)


So if IFA will have three flagships: XZ2, Compact & Premium...

Which Flagship the MWC event will have ? Ultra ?
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Posted: 2017-07-24 08:36
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" XZ1s" ?


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Posted: 2017-07-24 09:36
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Certain markets require phones like the XZs, I couldn't get hold of one in the UK so I image that they made a few and sold a few. IFA should at least have the XZ and Compact successors and a mystery third device, MWC should have some of the lower end devices but after the reception that the XZP got, it would be wise to have something to showcase new technology so new camera or design etc. Personally, I'd love to see a new Ultra but if the Galaxy Note is updated annually then perhaps this is the way to go. The XZP is in my opinion the best device so far so I say keep that going and perhaps make the IFA flagships cheaper and smaller to try and hit that sweet spot the Z1/Z3 Compacts had back in the day.
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Posted: 2017-07-24 11:50
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About MWC...

Z2 and Z3+/z4 were sold worldwide.
X Perf and XZs not. But available some places people had Z5 and XZ.

Problem.is ...

Z2 x Z3 , Z3+ x Z5, X Perf x XZ...
Not enough difference to choose brand new IFA phone over previous flagship.
I'd pick the cheaper ( mwc phone).
I'd choose XZ over XZs for the price.

Samsung and LG have 2 total different phones ( S, N / G, V).
At least V used to be different from G.
Seems LG is dropping second screen.

If they save next premium for IFA18, new cam cam be used..
Hope 20MP, pixel size bigger than 3 micron are real ......


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Posted: 2017-07-24 12:15
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XZ2 Premium launch around IFA'18 is kinda very educated guess, I think

When you look at timeframe between Z5 Premium and XZ Premium

which fall under 18 months per market cycle, other Xperia models are usually in 8 to 12 months.


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Reason behind XZs launch in limited market, very much related to inventory management

and also the first flagship smartphone built from new Sony's factory in Thailand.

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On 2017-07-23 15:18:43, tonylcc wrote:

i dont think there will be Sony CPU.....Sony just dont have money for it


Money maybe reason, but it seem Sony don't want to stuck in deep

sh!t like Samsung Exynos when talk to patent licensing with Qualcomm
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Posted: 2017-07-24 13:58
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On 2017-07-24 12:15:39, HxH wrote:
XZ2 Premium launch around IFA'18 is kinda very educated guess, I think

When you look at timeframe between Z5 Premium and XZ Premium

which fall under 18 months per market cycle, other Xperia models are usually in 8 to 12 months.


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Reason behind XZs launch in limited market, very much related to inventory management

and also the first flagship smartphone built from new Sony's factory in Thailand.

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On 2017-07-23 15:18:43, tonylcc wrote:

i dont think there will be Sony CPU.....Sony just dont have money for it


Money maybe reason, but it seem Sony don't want to stuck in deep

sh!t like Samsung Exynos when talk to patent licensing with Qualcomm
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18months per cycle is good actually

that's literally CMOS cycle, meaning Premium = come with new CMOS
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Posted: 2017-07-24 14:32
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From review.ge

"Sony will offer up to 20 megapixel 1 dimensional sensor that comes with 4 electrodes in one pixel and the pixel size of 3.2-5.8 micron will be available in the next flagship smartphone. Also supported are F1.2- F1.4 diaphragm.
This camera should not be expected in 2017, because Sony has a 18-month cycle for each new camera, and according to the September 2018 (which will also be the date of the release of a new premium smartphone in the premium series),"


XZ Premium with 4K HDR + 960fps is getting many people excited..
Imagine this....
Pixel 3 XL, LG V40, Note 9 will be crushed without mercy by XZ2P.

Sony should test if it is possible to use acoustic surface on a phone.

If this phone comes 16:9 and not 100% screen, I'll pay 1300USD if I need.


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Posted: 2017-07-24 14:36
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On 2017-07-24 14:32:11, LumberjackX wrote:

From review.ge

"Sony will offer up to 20 megapixel 1 dimensional sensor that comes with 4 electrodes in one pixel and the pixel size of 3.2-5.8 micron will be available in the next flagship smartphone. Also supported are F1.2- F1.4 diaphragm.
This camera should not be expected in 2017, because Sony has a 18-month cycle for each new camera, and according to the September 2018 (which will also be the date of the release of a new premium smartphone in the premium series),"


XZ Premium with 4K HDR + 960fps is getting many people excited..
Imagine this....
Pixel 3 XL, LG V40, Note 9 will be crushed without mercy by XZ2P.

Sony should test if it is possible to use acoustic surface on a phone.

If this phone comes 16:9 and not 100% screen, I'll pay 1300USD if I need.




I would be happy if that is true. However I've to say this at the same time.

It's too good to be true !!!!!!!
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Posted: 2017-07-24 17:13
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It would be good for Sony to improve the 960fps snap time on the next premium. Would this require a whole new camera module?
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Posted: 2017-07-24 18:02
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About the 960fps, it would be really awesome to record 5s.
But it seems to required a giant power.
I believe it is all about the DRAM.
Stronger CPU might not change anything. XZs can do it.
I have no idea if even 3GB would be enough.

XZP can record more than 2 hours of 4K@30 but 1s or less of HD@960.
It is hard to believe 1s HD@960 is harder task than 2h of 4K@30...

But the Super Slow Mo is one of the strongest points of the phone.
Maybe even better marketing than 4K HDR.
Of course Sony will work to make it better...

Hope XZ1 and XZ1c have HDR screen too, even with lower resolution.
Iphone 7 has ...
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Posted: 2017-07-24 18:21
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On 2017-07-24 18:02:50, LumberjackX wrote:
About the 960fps, it would be really awesome to record 5s.
But it seems to required a giant power.
I believe it is all about the DRAM.
Stronger CPU might not change anything. XZs can do it.
I have no idea if even 3GB would be enough.


For the 960fps super slow mo it's 100% down to the DRAM which i believe is 1 Giga bit and that's why other phones with the same CPU and even more RAM can't get close to 960fps. I'd imagine in time they'll add more DRAM for either longer bursts or full HD rather than 720p that it shoots now.
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Posted: 2017-07-24 18:54
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Seriously guys, 960 fps thing is a gimmick and most of you (us) would use 4K@60 fps much more frequent. The 960 fps thing is cool for some specific (and pretty rare) situations, but since most of us are (or will be in the near future) 4K (TV) ready, we would profit much more from improved 4K recording.
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Posted: 2017-07-24 19:03
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On thing that isn't i gimmick and again is 100% down to the DRAM is "predictive capture" this feature is massively underrated and all of the review sights only briefly talk about it. The fact that most people will shoot in SA and this is activated by default within this mode is brilliant and a feature that I've found very useful in most every day to day shots. Having the ability to capture upto 4 full res 19mp images at once is again a leap forward in tech that is an actual benefit to 99.9% of all phone users.
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Posted: 2017-07-24 21:36
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@XJ

One thing I do not like is the fact youtubers and most tech sites just use Auto.
I understand that most of people just want to point and shoot.
But some situations require manual mode and few adjustiments.

So if a photographer says A is better than B.
Then tech sites say B is better, people take second option.
PA is one that weirdly believe i7+ is better than Z5 or XZ.
Websites make critics on UI because the slide thing..
If I am not wrong ios cam works by same way. Just slide to right or left.
Iphone has 4K somewhere else like Sony, only Sony is to be blamed.

Sometimes I think some sites take bad shots on porpouse.
One day samples look like 2014 low end, few days after better than u11.
How is that possible?

Z3+ is most underrated phone. Many sites said it was a step back from z3.
Except brightness and battery life, Z3+ is way better.

Better photos and videos, stronger cpu/gpu, better CAT, capless usb.
GG4 on front, better rear glass, stronger speakers, ddr4 ram, faster memory.
64 bit, better to use display when wet...

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Posted: 2017-07-25 11:30
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