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Shotokan81
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In theory, at equivalent tech, larger pixel size means more light per pixel, so better signal to noise ratio and performance, in particular noticeable at high iso. This is also what i was convinced of.
The thing is, after trying many camera recently, the sony rx 100, that has a much smaller sensor than four thirds or aps-c cameras, and a higher pixel count than many of them, clearly showed me that sony's sensor tech can make small pixels/sensors be a match for bigger brothers.
I think (did not do the math) that there is less difference between honami and 1020 pixel size than between rx-100 and some apsc and 4/3.
My point is not that honami will crush 1020, i do not know, but depending on sony sensor tech superiority, it could.
Not that i care if it does not, there is no Nokia in Japan, i cannot buy 1020, even if Balmer paid me.
All we can do is wait and see!
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BenLing
Joined: Jun 16, 2013
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On 2013-08-20 18:25:00, Ambroos wrote:
On 2013-08-20 18:06:23, moogoo wrote:
On 2013-08-20 17:27:08, sami92a wrote:
Hmm 3 year old S3?  its one year old
ha. guess it seems a lot longer ago than it really is
The caption on the benchmark is wrong, higher scores are better in AnTuTu.
GSMArena has edited to Higher scores are better |
xfan
Joined: Aug 19, 2013
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On 2013-08-20 18:01:11, goldenface wrote:
Sounds like the Xperia T is the phone for you.
Xperia T is 1.3MP, not 2MP.
Don't bother me, I'll wait for one. 
[ This Message was edited by: xfan on 2013-08-20 17:48 ] |
G3ORGE
Joined: Jul 10, 2013
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On 2013-08-20 17:43:56, cu015170 wrote:
On 2013-08-20 16:08:02, moogoo wrote:
i think it's funny how cu01 always jumps in to defend nokia, even though no one is asserting honami is better, just that it would be an embarrassment for nokia IF, honami ends up producing better photos than 1020, WHICH cannot be really determined without final units and proper photo testing procedures as used on dpreview. (yes i said that all in one breath)
I am not defending them.. my posts usually come from a pure technical perspective, if Sony were using the bigger sensors instead of Nokia, I would say the same thing in reverse.
Also, I am not really a fan of the 1020.. I see as a compromised 808 because of the smaller sensor.
But honestly, I am disappointed that Sony decided to cater to the masses and didn't produce a proper camera phone.. I was really hoping for one that is also water proof. I guess we will have to wait for that to come from either Sony or Nokia. I really wanted the z1 to use a huge sensor with fat pixels...
And full disclosure, yes... I am member of this forum because I really liked Ericsson as a company, not Sony. I have nothing against Sony.. just saying.
And finally, yes.. I do love my 808 because its simply an awesome smartphone.
On 2013-08-20 16:44:50, DexterMoser wrote:
@pocketnow article:
Yeah, that's exactly the same thing I'd say to those 4K haters 
@cu015170:
Just to clarify, I was just saying that Honami will be better than GS4 Zoom.
GS4 Zoom looks really crappy even compared to the normal S4:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccm[....]25&idPhone2=5447&idPhone3=4577
There's no 1020 in that list, but clearly the 808 destroys them both.
Old sony cybershot cameras with old sensors (18MP) and the mighty 808 also destroy the GS4 Zoom (16MP):
dpreview comparison
Therefore my educated guess is that Honami also will destroy the GS4 Zoom.
Honami vs 1020?
That definitely will be an interesting fight, we shall see
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2013-08-20 15:52 ]
Ya, I was just addressing your mention of pixel sizes..  The GS4 zoom is a waste of plastic if you ask me... there is plenty of room for a much bigger sensor. I also think that the Z1 will outperform it in daylight conditions, but the xenon on the Gs4 zoom is rather powerful..so it will probably do better at night.
As far as the 1020 vs. Z1.. ya.. my money is on the 1020 simply because of the sensor sizes.
Agreed CU, I was disappointed Sony did not put a big sensor in there. |
HxH
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PS4 has conference in Berlin's Gamescom event, if anyone interested?
http://blog.us.playstation.co[....]n-press-conference-live-today/
Hope that future major Xperia announcement will get same treatment 
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2013-08-20 18:00 ] SONY x Sexy x Sleek x Solid x Stunner x Stylish : Nozomi/Kagura with Love. |
stedus
Joined: Aug 15, 2012
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^I'm watching it now
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCkC6NGkS0Y
Hope:
-new PS Vita
-FFXIV and XV gameplay
-Kingdom Heart
-Destiny
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cu015170
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On 2013-08-20 18:34:49, G3ORGE wrote:
Agreed CU, I was disappointed Sony did not put a big sensor in there.
Yaa.. what can you do : ) They have to cater to a lot of people out there.. they do their research and decide what is best for the current market conditions.
On 2013-08-20 18:27:24, Shotokan81 wrote:
In theory, at equivalent tech, larger pixel size means more light per pixel, so better signal to noise ratio and performance, in particular noticeable at high iso. This is also what i was convinced of.
The thing is, after trying many camera recently, the sony rx 100, that has a much smaller sensor than four thirds or aps-c cameras, and a higher pixel count than many of them, clearly showed me that sony's sensor tech can make small pixels/sensors be a match for bigger brothers.
I think (did not do the math) that there is less difference between honami and 1020 pixel size than between rx-100 and some apsc and 4/3.
My point is not that honami will crush 1020, i do not know, but depending on sony sensor tech superiority, it could.
Not that i care if it does not, there is no Nokia in Japan, i cannot buy 1020, even if Balmer paid me.
All we can do is wait and see!
yes, I was also convinced that bigger pixels would perform better than smaller ones using the same sensor size, but then I read trough these two threads here:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2370514
http://www.dpreview.com/forum[....]636?page=2#forum-post-29786466
And now I am not so sure any more  I thought that full frame DSLRs show this trend clearly, since most of them bet on 5-6 + micron pixels, which I thought meant that this was the way.
But then Nikon came out with the D800, which is a full frame cut into smaller pixels, and it still performs very, very well.. despite using smaller pixels, and I think that it will start a trend.. I won't be surprised to see Canon come up with 50-60Mpix FF camera soon.
Obviously they are compensating for the smaller pixels with newer sensor tech, which relates to your comment about the RX100.
Btw.. the RX100 is such an amazing product.. its one of these over-engineered products that happen every once in a while, just like the 808... or the W220 S-class from Merc
On the 1020s sensor... we are yet to get an official confirmation on who actually made the sensor, it might be a Sony made sensor. The 808 uses a Toshiba made one.
With Sony phones... at least you know for sure that they are using Sony sensors.
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CrownedAkuma
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A LOT OF OT! SORRY...
Me too
Yay for the Psvita Price cut... will be mine for christmas
waiting for some more destiny too... I was blown away at E3...
Yay also for the indie love towards PlayStation! It's something great
Nonetheless kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy (XII Versus)... err... XV
REAL TIME THOUGHTS:
A Game exclusive to PSVita created in an Italian studio!!! So proud! GO OVOSONICO!
WiiU... well just have PS4+PSvita! it's the same
Also watch dogs really inspire me... Sandbox^2
MINECRAFT ON PS! BOOM... take it in the ass M$ (There were some guys with minecraft head walking in and out... but they didn't say anything... troll... and then they will announce it )
GIANT ENEMY CRAB!!!!! LOL
Borderlands 2 on PSVITA!!!!
Discount on ACIV, CoD Ghost and others if you already have them on PS3 and want them for PS4!
STABBING M$ in the ass... multiple times
Talking about Phone and Tablet connectivity, app disponible at launch
inFamous secon son is nothing short of amazing... my favourite PS4 games with destiny! true next gen titles!
ONE MILLION PREORDERS!!!
lol 
A list of all indies coming to PS3, PS4 or VITA... A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!
I.E. Hotline Miami 2, Starbound, Minecraft, N++, Volume, Rine, REZ, Helldiver, Wasteland Kings, Everybody,s Gone to Rapture, Resogun, Murasaki baby (the italian one), Secret poncho, Counter spy and many many more... Even the new game from Capybara (Below... GUYS GO PLAY SWORD AND SWORCERY if you have not) , the new game from Bastion creator's Supergiant Games (Transistor) and the new game from Braid creator Jonathan Blow (The Witness)
It was obvious... but it's still good to hear... Santa Monica, Media Molecule and Naughty Dog all have a new IP in the work for PS4... CHHERS
29th NOVEMBER IN EU PS4
15 NOVEMBER US PS4
WHY I AM SO FOND OF SONY???
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stedus
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^You should wait for the rumored new PS Vita
PS4 and PS Vita for Kingdom Heart III, FFXIV and FFXV
Will U for Monster Hunter and Nintendo 3DS for Pokemon X & Y
that's my plan this year
Edit: WTH?? Minecraft for PS4 
OMG..... 1 Millions Pre-orders already
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smclion102
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Also launching in 32 countries
T610i-K700i-K750i-W700i-W810i-W560i-P1i-W910i-G900i-W595i-X10mini-Cedar-Xperia U-Xperia S-XZ Premimum |
vivftp
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DAMNIT! Now I'll have to double dip to get Borderlands 2 on Vita. Excited
Very interested to see how close to the original they can make it. It'll be a very good benchmark on just how good and big Vita games can get. Killzone Mercenary already looks amazing, but I doubt it has wide open areas anywhere near what Borderlands 2 has. |
smclion102
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Super AMOLED vs LCD 3 vs Triluminos Indoor & Outdoor Display Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN3RhRCVXvQ
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vivftp
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How things can turn around after just a few months. Sony first major company to release next gen processor and they have a top notch display tech to go with it. Sure some will complain about Z Ultras size, but that's subjective anyways. The only other things some seem to complain about is the lack of a flash, but oh well.
Honami and its Mini Me version should rectify all those complaints, giving Sony one of the strongest flagship lineups out there. Mid range products like SP and ZR are still doing quite nicely it seems, so Sony should have a very strong remainder of the year. |
CrownedAkuma
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On 2013-08-20 22:09:04, smclion102 wrote:
Super AMOLED vs LCD 3 vs Triluminos Indoor & Outdoor Display Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN3RhRCVXvQ
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2013-08-20 21:09 ]
First, great comparison:)
Second, the Z Ultra it's so ENORMOUS! lol
Third... both awesome screen... The viewing angles problem of the Sony has clearly been corrected! The Z Ultra has the better viewing angles (I think) in comparison the S4 it's not that good...Black are still better on S4... colours, light and the rest is way better on Z ultra (and LCD3)... Such greats displays |
XperiaJunkie
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In that video the Z Ultra is most likely using the Bravia Engine 2 rather than the X-Reality tech so I wonder if that would of made any difference to the still images and video playback if any at all.
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