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Guarulhos
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To Make the Camera 920 PureView LITE Becoming A Good Camera And Who Know At Least Better Than Current Top Of The Line (Android, IOS And Windows Phone) Only Genius J.R. DURAN ! 
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false_morel
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Nobody doubted that the 920 is definitely in a lesser league to the 808 regarding general imaging!
We were just discussing and comparing the low night hand-held situations without flash! And the 920 is the benchmark in this specific area. I don't get it why some would deny this! |
cu015170
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^ I am still not so sure about that... proper testing is required  I hope GSMarena or dpreview do us the favor of comparing them in low light, but even then.. someone needs to know how to shoot with the 808 in low light, or at least put in night mode ..
The 920 daytime performance will get better, but overall it will never be as good as the 808, in fact.. no where near that, just like most other smartphones. Like Guarulhos said, you can't trick a small sensor into producing amazing quality. In fact.. that is why I still think that the 808 will do better in low light, the pixels it produces are capable of collecting more light (since they are technically bigger) so therefore I don't see how the 920 can produce a better quality image in low light, yes.. it might brighter due to a longer exposure, but with all the noise/grain there is really little point to it anyway.
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false_morel
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On 2012-11-04 18:01:57, cu015170 wrote:
^ I am still not so sure about that... proper testing is required I hope GSMarena or dpreview do us the favor of comparing them in low light, but even then.. someone needs to know how to shoot with the 808 in low light, or at least put in night mode ..
Hopefully will be doing it myself next week.
Can't compare it to an 808, but have an N8 at hand. And other smartphones and my DSLR.
The 920 daytime performance will get better, but overall it will never be as good as the 808, in fact.. no where near that, just like most other smartphones. Like Guarulhos said, you can't trick a small sensor into producing amazing quality.
Think of the 920 this way: It delivers standard modern smartphone camera quality, plus two things: usable low light flashless shots + stabilised video. A significantly better LED flash could be the third factor, but we're still to test that.
In fact.. that is why I still think that the 808 will do better in low light, the pixels it produces are capable of collecting more light (since they are technically bigger) so therefore I don't see how the 920 can produce a better quality image in low light, yes.. it might brighter due to a longer exposure, but with all the noise/grain there is really little point to it anyway.
Here's the whole deal in details:
Size of sensor here doesn't matter to determine the exposure!
Regardless of what sensor and camera in use, calculating the exposure value at a given fixed lit scene, depends on three factors only: Exposure time, ISO, and Aperture.
So bigger sensors don't collect more light at same EV. This goes against fundamentals of physics.
However, the difference will be in the quality of the end resulst different sensors and cameras produce.
For instance, at the same exposure, my D7000 will always deliver better photos than either of the 808 or 920.
Now the trick here with the 920, it's capturing a different exposure to that of other cameraphones including the 808.
In other words, the 920 is collecting more light. Letting more light in.
Result will be a more exposed photo than that of the others. However, at ISO 800 as one variable of the equation, the 920 will deliver in this case (low light situations) better exposed photos but worse noise levels to the 808!
Now if you set the 808 in night mode, it will boost the ISO to 1600 (a complete stop) and also decrease the SS a bit.
However, the 920 at night mode, it goes to 1 sec SS (2.5 stops over auto mode) and hence it will be able to lower the ISO by 2.5 stops and get the best balance between detail and noise.
So far I've not seen proper night mode shots with the 920. Everybody has been testing it in auto mode.
Only Engadget did night mode, but in ridiculously low light situations! I would rather use the night mode where they used the auto mode in their samples!
In brief, getting the right exposure is more important than noise and detail!
If you can't expose the photo right, why bother analyze it any further?!!
This is the 920's trick.
Now of course you can brighten the 808's JPEGs later on, but on expense of loss of quality and more noise! So no benefit. |
Ravager
Joined: Mar 20, 2004
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From slashgear:
"I asked the sales guy at nokia about the problem in daylight imaging nd he told me that he saw some reviews too and that this problem exists only in the phones with specific carrier branding in the UK and the US as they were released to them a month before the actual release. Out here our carriers sell phones from Nokia and therefore they come with the latest firmware."
Good news!
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Bonovox
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 so,ok then will wait for sim free. But Phones4U here will sell them sim free I read and am sure you'll find them online. But am also confused as carrier branding is very restricted on WP and also how can a minimal bit of branding affect the camera??
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Yakkaimono
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That's nice to know. It would also explain why some reviewers seem very impressed by the camera and some don't.
So hopefully my unit that should be coming in the next few days will do a better job than some of those reviewed units.
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Bonovox
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Am pleased to hear that too
Phone?? What phone?? |
Ravager
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The carrier branded phones will be updated but just a bit later as always.
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@false_morel, really interesting read, the man behind the camera is the key to a good pic. And what Nokia does, in comparison to other manufacturers , is to allow the user to play around more with the settings (or at least they have previously).
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cu015170
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false_morel thanks for the info!
I am still waiting for an image that would show me some potential, and I haven't seen one yet. All the low light photos are the usual mix blur and noise, but.. more pics are coming in every day so we will see how it goes.
a picture is worth a thousand..
I know what the 808 can do.. and I haven't seen a photo from the 920 that can produce a similar result, let alone a better one.
This is shot at 0.3 seconds with the 920 at 800 iso with a slight bump in EV
This is shot at 0.23xxx seconds with the 808 @ 800 iso
I just don't see how the 920 can produce something similar to that.. I will know for sure once I get mine.
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false_morel
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Yeah but that 808's photo you quote doesn't feature the same darkness seen in the 920's photos!
Two completely different lit scenes!
In the 808's photo the sky still had the blues in it. It's at twilight.. Whereas the 920 photos are at night.
I looked the times the photos were captured at.
The 808 was shot at around 19:15 same as the first two 920 photos. The fourth one was at 21:00..
But not sure these are the same places. And notice that one 808's photo was early October, still at daytime saving, and the 920's photos were shot early November after the daytime saving.
If you have info about the places, you can help us figure this out.
But one thing for sure, two different light scenarios here. |
Bonovox
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This one says alot. Also in the harbour shot there is alot more light from inside the buildings aswell as the sky compared to the 920 shot of the dark street
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Bonovox
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This review here Pocket Lint says the camera is great and has a few images. They highly rated the phone as a whole except the moaning bit at the start about how heavy and big it is. Now,I held the dummy model and it is not that big compared to the Galaxy Note 2 it's small. The weight I am sure ain't gonna bother me as my Lumia 800 is quite heavy but don't bother me. Here is the review
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/6042/nokia-lumia-920-windows-phone-review
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cu015170
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Yes, the 808 photo and 920 are in completely different conditions.. like I said, we have to wait for a proper direct comparo and see which system works better for low light.. Best case would be both combined in one.
Here is one 9_destiny took at 2112 .. pretty dark, and the quality is way better than anything I've seen from the 920
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201209142114355dVH.jpg
2.7 seconds exposure .. obviously the phone was sitting on something, but still.. I don't think the 920 would produce a better result, handheld or not.
Bonovox you would like these .. Way better than the 800 in low light. It also shows that if have anything moving in the frame, it will be blurry... as expected with longer exposure.
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false_morel
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With 2.7" SS of course the 808 will achieve way better results than the Lumia 920!
Or if it gets to 1" or 1.5" for instance..
But for these shutter speeds one needs a tripod. With the 920 we're still talking about point and shoot.
Notice the huge difference between the two photos above you posted. The 920 delivered a very usable photo, while the Lumia 800 delivered something unusable.
On 2012-11-05 03:23:00, Bonovox wrote:
This review here Pocket Lint says the camera is great and has a few images. They highly rated the phone as a whole except the moaning bit at the start about how heavy and big it is. Now,I held the dummy model and it is not that big compared to the Galaxy Note 2 it's small. The weight I am sure ain't gonna bother me as my Lumia 800 is quite heavy but don't bother me. Here is the review
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/6042/nokia-lumia-920-windows-phone-review
Actually Pocket-lint's review is the most negative towards the 920 so far!
They literally bashed the phone and recommended against it! All due to its weight!
They even went as far as claiming that the phone must be held with two hands! Utterly ridiculous!
I'm not sure if the one reviewed the 920 was a human or a chicken! |
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