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Posted: 2010-09-24 03:15
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^^ I think Sony Ericsson is better off sticking with what they know to get some type of consistency going. They've been using all Qualcomm SoCs since the X1...there's no point in suddenly switching to a TI OMAP solution if it means there engineers learning something new (and delaying products).
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Posted: 2010-09-24 17:35
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Satio which is using a TI OMAP along with the Vivaz so it is not like they haven't diverted in that direction. Of course, the os and SE's usual incompetence ruined the Satio's performance while the Vivaz fared much better in performance.
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Posted: 2010-09-24 18:09
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The X10 was SDE's forst Android phone. they are just out of the red and unlike moto they are offering a wider range when it comes to phones. i am sure with time they will evolve. As of now, i dont see too many gripes with my X10.At least iots not bug ridden on release like the GS. Or would you guys like a bug ridden phone but with newer software, which ironically is slower than the former.
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Posted: 2010-09-24 18:45
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On 2010-09-23 23:15:40, rss_ndrsn wrote:
I really hope that SE start selling the X12 as soon as October. Next month, it will be all about the Windows Mobille 7;a plethora of WM 7 devices will be announced along with the final build of the OS. If SE wants to steal the show and make them center of the attention, then X12 is the answer. Beside, X-series has been beaten severely by the Galaxy S series in sales and by HTC Android phones, too. This X12, a rumoured device to have a great spec sheet, is long over due. Please SE, listen to us. Releasing this phone as soon as October will help you get ahead of the competition.

Here's my guess of the full specs of the X12:

12.1 megapixel camera with varioptic liquid lens and Exmor sensor
1080p @ 30 fps continuous auto focus
Plasma™ Flash
Front-facing 1.3 megapixel camera
4" capacitive screen with 720p resolution and 326 dpi and multi-touch support
32gb Sandisk iNAND internal memory, micro SDXC external slot
OMAP 4440 @ 1.5ghz with PowerVR SGX545
1 GB RAM & 2 GB ROM
accelometer, gyroscope & digital compass
Dual-mics with noise cancellation technology, and stereo speaker with Megabass and Dolby digital support
3.5mm head jack, micro USB 2.0 and micro HDMI v1.4
Wi-link 7.0 (Bluetooth 4.0, FM Radio & Transmitter, GPS with a-GPS, Wi-Fi b/g/n)
HSPA+ up to 21 mbps, Quadband GSM/EDGE, Quintband HSPDA

I guess this perfectly fit the big surprise that SE CEO is talking about.
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October?
I will bet my last money that that will NEVER happen, unless we were talking about Samsung or HTC.

I like this company but it just keeps on disappointing time and again. Sheer incompetence rules over at SE!
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Posted: 2010-09-24 22:52
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How come we always hear reports of how much millions of specific LG or samsung etc models are sold but we never hear this kind of info about SE that can tell us how well a certain handset is selling? I wonder how many million W995, vivaz, X10 family have been sold so far? It would be cool to have an idea how much....
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Posted: 2010-09-24 23:23
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^That's because non of those SE phones you mentioned have reached the million mark in sales. SE actually have announced before the total number of sales of walkman series since the W800i. I think that's the last time they informed the media of their certain phones sales.
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Posted: 2010-09-25 00:01
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On 2010-09-24 23:23:52, rss_ndrsn wrote:
^That's because non of those SE phones you mentioned have reached the million mark in sales. SE actually have announced before the total number of sales of walkman series since the W800i. I think that's the last time they informed the media of their certain phones sales.


Do the maths dude....

From the last Q2 results:

Number of units shipped (million): 11.0

An average store has around 10 - 15 SE model in it's catalog at any moment. 11/15=0.73 and that's only 3 months. So there are certainly SE phones that sell more than a million times, and I'm pretty shure W995 is one of em. Of course the low end phones drive up the sales volumes, but there are certainly high-end models that sell more than a million times. And that's true for every single major manufacturer.
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Posted: 2010-09-25 07:01
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I don't know which ones may have sold millions, I just mentioned the ones I thought popular. But I'm sure the W995, C905, X10 and some others have at least sold a couple mil each. Remember the report of 120,000 X10 sold in only the first 20 days by DoCoMo in Japan?
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Posted: 2010-09-25 17:26
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On 2010-09-23 09:02:38, avmaxfan wrote:
The OMAP 4 is indeed VERY powerful. And I can assure you that for daily tasks, no other processor till 2012 will give you any noticeable performance gain. Moto Android phones use TI OMAP 3 processors (Droid, milestone) and in benchmarks they are at par or better than the X10 with the 1ghz snapdragon vs OMAP 3340 running at 600/720mhz.

Hope that gives you an idea of how competitive the OMAP 4 on the X12 will be


And that QWERTY keypad phone pic, well that is indeed a tablet, NOT Xperia X11. If you see the pic clearly, the branding is in such a way which shows that the device is meant to be used only in landscape mode.
And is not very keen on launching that tablet as of now.
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So you're saying that Tegra's 8 core cpu is NOT more powerful than OMAP4 which the core reference design is about 2yrs old? OMAP4 hasn't been used because its VERY costly, even in per unit orders from Texas Instruments, Samsung, etc; but I'll agree its powerful. Tegra 2 is MUCH more powerful but is not IDEALLY suited for smartphones ... tablets and also onboard car entertainment systems/navigation/phone combination systems is better suited for Tegra 2.

ARM reveals Eagle core as Cortex-A15, capable of quad-core computing at up to 2.5GHz
http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]15-capable-of-quad-core-compu/
he Cortex-A15 MPCore picks up where the A9 left off, but with reportedly five times the power of existing CPUs, raising the bar for ARM-based single- and dual-core cell phone processors up to 1.5GHz... or as high as 2.5GHz in quad-core server-friendly rigs with hardware virtualization baked in and support for well over 4GB of memory. One terabyte, actually.

ARMv7-A "Eagle" chips are destined for Texas Instruments, but ST-Ericsson and Samsung as also named as "lead licensees,"


These are 32nm & 28nm chip designs ... pureley cutting EDGE. I do see dual core used in smartphones late 2011 or mid 2012 but not quad-core as those may still consume too much power. We're beginning to reach a ceiling of slim size vs battery capacity size - shrinking the core alone SHOULD improve battery life, but applications and needs for consume, editing, and uploading video & pictures (soon purely HD) continue to increase & as such more powerful cpu's/gpu combinations on the same die/embedded mobo are created; thus leading to shrinking battery life for full day use.

ARM's Press Release:
ARM Unveils Cortex-A15 Mpcore Processor to Dramatically Accelerate Capabilities of Mobile, Consumer and Infrastructure Applications
Unprecedented levels of performance, power-efficiency, and technology leadership accelerate industry momentum to deliver extraordinarily innovative products
CAMBRIDGE, UK– SEPT 8, 2010 – ARM today introduced the Cortex™-A15 MPCore processor that delivers a 5x performance improvement over today’s advanced smartphone processors, within a comparable energy footprint. In advanced infrastructure applications the Cortex-A15 processor running at up to 2.5GHz will enable highly scalable solutions within constantly shrinking energy, thermal and cost budgets. The Cortex-A15 processor is available for licensing today and is targeted at manufacture in 32nm, 28nm, and future geometries.
As the latest addition to ARM’s Cortex-A family of processors, the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor will enable a new and vast array of products ranging from next-generation smartphones, tablets, large-screen mobile computing and high-end digital home entertainment devices through to wireless basestations and enterprise infrastructure products.
“The launch of the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor marks the beginning of an entirely new era for the ARM Partnership. It brings together more than 20 years of ARM expertise in low-power design with a host of new and very aggressive high-performance technologies,” said Mike Inglis, EVP and GM, Processor Division, ARM. “The Cortex-A15 MPCore processor will become the next major step along the industry’s energy efficient computing roadmap and open up a wide range of new application possibilities for our Partners.”
The debut of the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor enhances the ARM Cortex-A Series of processors by providing the electronics industry with the broadest range of software and feature-set compatible processors. The Cortex-A15 extends the capabilities of the ARM Cortex-A Series by adding efficient hardware support for OS virtualization, soft-error recovery, larger memory addressability and system coherency. While remaining true to ARM’s power-efficient design heritage, the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor brings a new level of performance scalability as well as a feature set that enables ARM Partners to address a range of innovative and traditional markets with a single processor architecture.
The Cortex-A15 also enjoys full application compatibility with all of the other highly acclaimed Cortex-A processors. This enables immediate access to an established developer and software ecosystem including Android™, Adobe® Flash® Player, Java Platform Standard Edition (Java SE), JavaFX, Linux, Microsoft® Windows® Embedded Compact 7, Symbian® and Ubuntu, along with more than 700 ARM Connected Community™ members providing applications software, hardware and software development tools, middleware and SoC design services.
“The operational and economic benefits of cloud computing will transform the high-tech industry over the next decade. Everything from the handheld devices to the network infrastructure will require more performance and efficiency to handle the increasing amounts of information that will emerge from the use of remote resources,” said Jim McGregor, Chief Technology Strategist at In-Stat. “ARM has been at the core of the mobile industry and the Cortex-A15 MPCore and accompanying technologies extends the potential for this highly efficient and flexible architecture to other applications critical to our connected world.”
Collaborative differentiation through partnership continues to be the main driver of the ARM business model and the launch of the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor is the result of ARM’s work with lead licensee partners Samsung, ST Ericsson and Texas Instruments, who were key drivers of the definition of the processor, ensuring it meets the key challenges faced by the industry.
“The market’s demand for more functionality and connectivity with low power consumption requires ever more advanced processor, system and chip design. By combining the advanced CPU technology from ARM with Samsung’s world leading chip design and manufacturing capabilities, Samsung has already achieved considerable success in offering high performances and low power Application Processor products to the market place,” said Yiwan Wong, VP of SoC Marketing, System LSI Division, Samsung Electronics. “We believe this new Cortex-A15 MPCore processor core from ARM, with its quantum leap in processing capabilities, will successfully enable many next-generation electronic products and redefine the level of experience consumers will demand from their smartphones and mobile computing devices.”
“We have entered a new era for smart devices where wireless computing solutions bring 3D navigation, augmented reality, HD video filming, high speed broadband and other advanced capabilities to more consumers, enabling our vision of an all-connected world,” said Edgar Auslander, Senior Vice President, Strategic Planning at ST-Ericsson. “Following our pioneering single die integration of modem and application engine featuring a dual Cortex-A9 processor, we are pleased to continue to work with ARM as a lead partner for the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor. Integrated into our leading-edge system-on-chip solutions, the new ARM core will enable our customers to build extremely power-efficient devices with an unprecedented level of performance.”
“As a long-term key partner, TI has worked with ARM for 17 years to innovate and deliver more than 3 billion ARM processor-based system-on-chip (SoC) devices. As an advanced lead partner and first licensee of the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor, we look forward to leveraging the Cortex-A15 core to deliver industry-leading processors that will provide the high performance demanded by the next generation of connected devices, all within a low power envelope. When pairing the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor with TI’s SmartReflex™ 3 technology, future OMAP applications processors will yield a 60 percent reduction in power, enabling TI to continue delivering the industry’s most energy-efficient, high performing solutions. We also see the potential for broader market implementations, leveraging the Cortex-A15 core for home entertainment and multimedia applications,” said Remi El-Ouazzane, vice president, OMAP platform business unit, TI.
Supporting Technology
The Cortex-A15 MPCore processor will be supported by specifically optimized ARM Physical IP that was developed jointly with the processor. These optimizations enable rapid development of leadership physical implementations, initially targeting 32nm and 28nm technologies with a roadmap extending to 20nm.
The processor is also supported by a broad range of ARM technology including the AMBA 4 compliant CoreLink™ system IP, CoreSight™ debug and trace IP, Mali Graphics, and a robust set of development tools. This technology is complemented by a broad range of SoC and software design solutions, tools and services from the ARM Connected Community™ ecosystem to provide ARM Partners with a smooth path through the development, verification and production of full function, compelling devices while significantly reducing time-to-market.
For details on the specific new features and capabilities of the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor and the supporting technology go to BBCode Quote End -->

That my friends is some SERIOUS power that Qualcomm cannot match; not currently and its BETTER than the OMAP4 based on Cortex A9
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Posted: 2010-09-25 17:47
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On 2010-09-24 03:15:44, emuneee wrote:
^^ I think Sony Ericsson is better off sticking with what they know to get some type of consistency going. They've been using all Qualcomm SoCs since the X1...there's no point in suddenly switching to a TI OMAP solution if it means there engineers learning something new (and delaying products).



I'll give you 1 reason why should go with Texas Instruments ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]CiLA&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]feature=player_embedded#at=231
(the last one is the same video; linked just in case the top one doesn't work.)

its because TI already has a test board that is WORKING, not some talk bull about what they CAN do but something to PROVE it. Samsung can deliver massive volumes but they simply don't because they don't get that many orders, TI does.
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On 2010-09-25 00:01:59, domipost wrote:
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On 2010-09-25 00:01:59, domipost wrote:

On 2010-09-24 23:23:52, rss_ndrsn wrote:
^That's because non of those SE phones you mentioned have reached the million mark in sales. SE actually have announced before the total number of sales of walkman series since the W800i. I think that's the last time they informed the media of their certain phones sales.


Do the maths dude....

From the last Q2 results:

Number of units shipped (million): 11.0

An average store has around 10 - 15 SE model in it's catalog at any moment. 11/15=0.73 and that's only 3 months. So there are certainly SE phones that sell more than a million times, and I'm pretty shure W995 is one of em. Of course the low end phones drive up the sales volumes, but there are certainly high-end models that sell more than a million times. And that's true for every single major manufacturer.



I'm sorry but you confused the total number of units shipped to the number of phones sold. These two are different things my friend. The total number of units shipped means the number of phones that a manufacturer has made and distributed to the retailers whereas the number of phones sold pertains to the how many of these phones have actually been bought end users like us. For example, SE has shipped 1 million X10 but it does not necessarily mean that they have sold 1 miliion phones. If we use your understanding with this matter, there would be shortage of X10.
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Posted: 2010-09-25 22:26
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On 2010-09-25 20:13:02, rss_ndrsn wrote:

On 2010-09-25 00:01:59, domipost wrote:

On 2010-09-24 23:23:52, rss_ndrsn wrote:
^That's because non of those SE phones you mentioned have reached the million mark in sales. SE actually have announced before the total number of sales of walkman series since the W800i. I think that's the last time they informed the media of their certain phones sales.


Do the maths dude....

From the last Q2 results:

Number of units shipped (million): 11.0

An average store has around 10 - 15 SE model in it's catalog at any moment. 11/15=0.73 and that's only 3 months. So there are certainly SE phones that sell more than a million times, and I'm pretty shure W995 is one of em. Of course the low end phones drive up the sales volumes, but there are certainly high-end models that sell more than a million times. And that's true for every single major manufacturer.



I'm sorry but you confused the total number of units shipped to the number of phones sold. These two are different things my friend. The total number of units shipped means the number of phones that a manufacturer has made and distributed to the retailers whereas the number of phones sold pertains to the how many of these phones have actually been bought end users like us. For example, SE has shipped 1 million X10 but it does not necessarily mean that they have sold 1 miliion phones. If we use your understanding with this matter, there would be shortage of X10.
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Doesn't really matter for the numbers of million phones sold, the sales with your definition are only postponed a bit. If retailers have too much stock, they will buy less new phones, so the results in the next quarter will be lower. Does that matter for how many millions of for instance X10's are sold? Yes, in short term it does, but after all it won't cause if SE ships 1 million X10's, then eventually (might be after price cut's, sale or whatever) 1 million X10's will be sold.
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Posted: 2010-09-26 00:25
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^The number of shipped phones is not the one being asked by the other poster here but the number of units sold (bought by the consumers). Your reply is totally irrelevant to what is being inquired.
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Posted: 2010-09-26 04:28
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Dont be stupid. The fact that consumers wanted a shpment of 1 million phones pretty much serves the case for SE. You have send them back, as such, its pretty much sold. And btw, all manufacturers can only provide a view on the number of phones shipped. Its impossible to go around shops trying to make out the number of units they have shipped over time.
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