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BobaFett
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@nitro fan to steal a car or use somebodys wifi arent in the same level imo. i do agree with u, that not every of us is that developed in technical questions as we, so a wifi should be locked normally, but then the sellers should clear up the buyers about possibly "stealing" their net.
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
Well i hate to say it but at least this is one thing that BT broadband have actually got right. There Routers come preconfigured with security already switched on and very simple instructions on setup that include having to enter the WEP key or simply no access.
The real problem arises not from some one harmlessly browsing the Web or downloading some E-mails but when they do something like downloading kiddie porn or other such illegal activity and the poor person whose connection it is and doesn't know or realise what they need to do finds themselves in big trouble.
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ronis
Joined: Apr 10, 2005
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On 2007-04-18 21:42:47, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2007-04-18 19:01:44, ronis wrote:
What a crap!
If you don't want anyone to connect to your WLAN, make it secured one and/or restrict MAC addresses able to connect.
If you haven't done that, then don't complain when someone connects to your WiFi.
[ This Message was edited by: ronis on 2007-04-18 18:02 ]
So I take it from you response you condone theft?
You must be joking!
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ahmed-sama
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he he, I think we need something like that in Egypt (where WI-FI theft is very damn common) 
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max_wedge
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actually, it's not just accessing someone's wifi when it's unsecured. This to me while morally worng, is also partly the responsibility of the owner to secure, much like police don't have much sympathy for people who don't lock their cars or houses. The perp is "wrong", but it's also considered the owner of the unsecured equipment is asking for trouble.
But what to me is a much worse crime, is if the wireless network is secured yet the perp uses hacking methods to bypass the security. The fact is, wifi hacking tools are widely available on the internet and you don't need to know anything about hacking to use them. You just point and shoot with your wireless card and wait for the hacking tool to brute force the password. WEP security takes no time at all, WPA is a bit more secure, but anything is hackable.
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carkitter
Joined: Apr 29, 2005
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From: Auckland, NZ
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Anything is hackable? really? I didn't know that. 
When I bought a wireless router it has no security preprogrammed and I was aware that it was 'open' so when not in use I would unplug the power cable.
Fortunately Cycovision's PC thread was able to advise me on how to set up the security...
My wifi router is redundant these days since I got the Vodafone 3G vodem.
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Nitro Fan
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On 2007-04-19 09:40:21, ronis wrote:
On 2007-04-18 21:42:47, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2007-04-18 19:01:44, ronis wrote:
What a crap!
If you don't want anyone to connect to your WLAN, make it secured one and/or restrict MAC addresses able to connect.
If you haven't done that, then don't complain when someone connects to your WiFi.
[ This Message was edited by: ronis on 2007-04-18 18:02 ]
So I take it from you response you condone theft?
You must be joking!
Do you consider reading a newspaper over someone's shoulder in a bus being a crime?
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OK how would you feel about your next door neighbour hooking up to the electricty you are paying for without asking you?
I pay for BB access so I can use it, if I want others to have access I would leave my network unsecured but I dont want creeps stealing my bandwidth so I secure it from their greasy hands. Just because you can take something from others does not make it right I HATE THEIVES btw if I find someone reading over my shoulder I point out a newsagent will serve them the same as they do me!
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Nitro Fan
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On 2007-04-18 23:24:03, BobaFett wrote:
@nitro fan to steal a car or use somebodys wifi arent in the same level imo. i do agree with u, that not every of us is that developed in technical questions as we, so a wifi should be locked normally, but then the sellers should clear up the buyers about possibly "stealing" their net.
I just hate thieves I really do dont matter what they are stealing I think the web has created a "I am clever enough to get in so I am entitled to take it" mentality which is highly elitist &wrong IMHO.
I do agree the retailers should be more helpful in checking the customers technical ability's and provide some helpful advice on securing the network but most of the sales staff in PC shops are no more technically savvy than the people they are serving, the majority of PC world's UK "assistants" make a lie of the word.
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ronis
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On 2007-04-19 13:59:10, Nitro Fan wrote:
...if I want others to have access I would leave my network unsecured but I dont want creeps stealing my bandwidth so I secure it from their greasy hands.
that is exactly what I've written in my first post in this thread. Have you read it carefully? IMHO your examples (car/electricity) are pretty different story.
On 2007-04-19 13:59:10, Nitro Fan wrote:
btw if I find someone reading over my shoulder I point out a newsagent will serve them the same as they do me!
I've asked if it's a crime. Have you tried to sue anyone for that?
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max_wedge
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On 2007-04-19 12:12:51, carkitter wrote:
Anything is hackable? really? I didn't know that.
with enough time and resources, anything is hackable, but wifi networks are particularly so. Much more so than for example CID49 firmware, which has been hacked (yay)!
I hardly think SE firmware would attract more dedicated hackers than the wifi industry 
check these links to find out how secure you really are
http://www.wi-foo.com/index-3.html
http://www.wardriving.com/
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Nitro Fan
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On 2007-04-19 14:50:22, ronis wrote:
On 2007-04-19 13:59:10, Nitro Fan wrote:
...if I want others to have access I would leave my network unsecured but I dont want creeps stealing my bandwidth so I secure it from their greasy hands.
that is exactly what I've written in my first post in this thread. Have you read it carefully? IMHO your examples (car/electricity) are pretty different story.
On 2007-04-19 13:59:10, Nitro Fan wrote:
btw if I find someone reading over my shoulder I point out a newsagent will serve them the same as they do me!
I've asked if it's a crime. Have you tried to sue anyone for that?
[ This Message was edited by: ronis on 2007-04-19 14:10 ]
[ This Message was edited by: ronis on 2007-04-19 14:13 ]
Yep read your first post fully, basicaly it takes the line if you dont protect your network people have some kind of right to log on if they want to, (The fact is they dont!) Sorry but my two points are not off the point at all, I think its wong to take something thats is not yours cant see how I can be wrong on that one!
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max_wedge
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It is a quite rude thing to steal someone's internet that's for sure. The people who's wifi you are stealing my be rich, never notice that it's happening, and have unlimited download plan.
Or, they may be a poor family who have a very limited internet plan, just enough for their child to do their school homework, and some leach comes along and blows out their limit, leaving them with no internet for a month.
The thing is the hacker doesn't know how his theft is affecting another individual, it's impersonal and extremely selfish at the best.
I'm not poor, but I do have a limited bandwidth connection (6GB) and I'll say this, if I saw a car outside my home with cardboard on the windows with a dude using my internet I'd be outside with a baseball bat letting some light into his car right quick (via baseball bat through the windshield).
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carkitter
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I've asked if it's a crime. Have you tried to sue anyone for that?
You don't sue over criminal behaviour, you prosecute. You sue when you have suffered loss. I believe its okay to ask someone to stop acting in a rude manner because some stupid people rely on others to set boundaries for them.
BTW, when did it become okay to steal off the rich? Are they not entitled to the same rights as everybody else? I also can't condone Wifi-Rage either; you be better off calling the Police as in the first post.
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locoworks
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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how do you KNOW if your stealing someone elses wifi? there are some places that have 'free' wifi hotspots as a service, and there is a city somewhere, ( can't remember which city, saw on TV a few months back ) where the whole place has free wifi connection.
i would go along with what others have said along the lines of if its not secure you should not be penalised for using it. if your in the middle of the high street and you get a signal, how do you know whether its from the little cafe advertising free wifi or the flat above the shoe shop over the road? 'secure or share' would be a fair wifi motto. |
aatuif
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yes there are free wi fi hot spots... I've also heard that...
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