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Sony Ericsson C905 VS Samsung i8510? |
Amras
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oil painting effect:
credit to mlkj. thanks for always posting full-size. it really makes the whole-thing become more balanced. 
it's similar to k850 when taking shots indoors (not much light).
and how do you mean that BOTH k850 and C902 uses same post-processing/noise reduction... its quite big different between k850 & c902, their balance between noise and colors-saturation has been improved quite much.
hmmm.. fyi, i never mentioned about k850/c902 color saturation.
i did mention about c905 colors saturation, but not in a comparison with any of both phones saturation. ~_~ coz i know c902 improves well in the term of colors saturation (than k850).
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plankgatan
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amras, you way out here man... its a zoomed in iNDOOR picture !
what do you expect. some DSLR quality. when you talking about oil painting effect, it should be on many more pictures then some lonely indoor pic. OK !
so once again, where is the oil painting "look" on the outdoor, low light, etc, etc.. it looks quite clean for me in full size.
on topic:
is 8510 first out with "automatic panorama mode"... thats sound really cool. does anyone have some info about that. (i really want a camera who take knife-sharp panorama)
something like Viewty : (1024 x 768)
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se_dude
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This has turned into a C902 vs Innov8 war here.Poor C905.  |
naveedaziz83
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dnt u wonder y always there has to be a war whn new phones r released.
cant for once we get wht we like and move on
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QVGA
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My cyber shop T100 gives the exact same oil effect when pics are taken indoor without a lot of light. It happens when the ISO becomes too high for the camera to handle and it is PERFECTLY normal even for a stand alone digital camera, let alone a phone camera.
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NightBlade
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Seen Eldar's newest article?
Google Translation
He speaks as if the Xenon flash on the C905 is some sort of gimmick (and of no real use)! The nerve!
Gotta admit, though, the Samsung takes quality pics. And that panorama shoot mode isn't too shabby at all.
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Amras
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On 2008-08-06 16:13:19, plankgatan wrote:
amras... its a zoomed in iNDOOR picture !
did u ever see the original file?
the EXIF clearly tells that the zoom ratio: 1.
please, please make sure that you didn't give wrong informations.
it's not zoomed. it's 100% crop. don't u know the difference between both terms?
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QVGA
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@amras
give it a rest man. i've already told u its normal even in digi cams
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Amras
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On 2008-08-06 16:36:56, QVGA wrote:
@amras
give it a rest man. i've already told u its normal even in digi cams
in some digicam yes such in some ixus, or else. i agree, the problem exists.
but there are many cams that doesn't have the issue as well. for example, you can try at ixus 430. it's only 4MP but really sharp. phone cam? try to look samsung g600 in Sassho's gallery here.
however, due to the topic, i feel and am just entitled to tell my opinion, that c905 doesn't suffer too much of the oil-painting effect issue as much as k850/c902 do. that i feel, c905 has better details, not only because it has larger resolution, but also because of the less of oil-painting effects.
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Guto_ViP
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On 2008-08-06 15:56:51, plankgatan wrote:
Guto, come one here. you defend your N82 in to the death. (so next time you say something like that, look at yourself first)
i dont care so much about how i put myself in this mather. but i care when people say stuff like... why post in bla bla bla... it has no meaning at all.
on topic.
have you guys found out how exactley 8510 automatic Panorama mode works ??? (links to some tech info someone ??? )
No no no, i not defend my N82 in to the death... because i know this model isnt perfect and have a little problem (all phones have)...
On 2008-08-06 15:34:33, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-08-06 15:21:00, Guto_ViP wrote:
Oh my....
Plank and his phone....
tsc.. tsc.. tsc...
grammar nazi ftw
Yes, it is only a key wrong, tnx for this information, if you wanna write in portuguese i can teach you.
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#Plankgatan
Dear plankgatan
I simply cannot understand why you are completely blind to the errors of the pictures produced by K850, C902 and C905
The amount of overall picture noise, edge noise, compression noise are simply devastating to the pictures - it destroys all detail
Take your own pictures as example
Just look at the amount of imagenoise/edgenoise in the full size pictures you posted before - even though taken under sunny bright conditions
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01901mt3.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01470wv9.jpg
The noise are all over the pictures and destroying every detail
Here are 2 small crops to illustrate - at original resolution, no resizing, no tampering.
But its everywhere in the pictures if you look a litle closer - these pictures are only usefull when resized down to hide all the noice and/or postprocessed with heavy noice filtering. Please dont tell me you cannot see this - cause then you seriously need to get your eyes checked.
Compare those to the sample shots from the Samsung like this taken in worse conditions, grey rainy day
http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]a/vs-canon/high/03-samsung.jpg
Theres no hint of noise compared to the SE pictures, no edge noice, no color noise, no compression noice - look at how clean the edges are even when you zoom in.
The problem is that even my old K750 did not suffer from this noice problem, sure the resolution was smaller - but that doesnt matter - you could take full size pictures under good conditions which where absolutely clean with no noise.
Then theres all the other problems with color and whitebalance on the K850 - I wont even get into those now. |
Amras
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help you to get the big picture about this oil-painting.
this is the example of a digital camera that has the effect:
this is the example of a digital camera that doesn't have the effect:
see any difference? both in low light. but the details aren't there in the 1st cam (oh.. it's a 6MP cam btw - the 2nd one is 3.2MP camera).
btw.. seeing Eldar's review, I'm shocked of how ixus 700 behaves. awful.
comparing to this (is 100% crop from ixus 430 - original):
after some retouches now it has kinda-oil painting effects:
so it's not that normal that every cam certainly have the issue. not every cam.
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NightBlade
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@Guto ViP:
Obrigado! 
Google Translate ftw!
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Sassho
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Sassho is here men Yes....G600 have not bad camera but :
Awesome review of camera i8510 by E.Murtazin
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/samsung-innov8-camera.shtml
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goldenface
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On 2008-08-06 16:15:15, se_dude wrote:
This has turned into a C902 vs Innov8 war here.Poor C905.
You mean poor INNOV8 if its being compared to the C902.
Its really funny how each picture example is zoomed in and examined at an almost microscopic level - its insane.
The C905 and INNOV8 don't take terrible pictues, they both take great pictures and from the examples I have seen, the differences are almost minimal.
You don't really have to try too hard to find fault with most cameraphone pictures, they are cameraphones afterall, not digicams.
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