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scroitoru
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On 2007-01-29 06:54:04, max_wedge wrote:
You are missing the point my friend. WM is just as fast as that with superior multitasking. Have you even used wm5?
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Just need to see something similar on the WM, then I will believe ya. No offense taken, or anything. It's just that seeing is believing.
Since now u have seen the P990i in action, can you post a similar demo video of a WM device? | |
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scroitoru
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so where is the proof (don't tell me it's in the pudding...), y'all that proclaim all mighty WM is the best !!!!! no video? no show off?  |
max_wedge
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My point is that when I use my WM (actually not even wm5 but ppc2003) I don't have any issues with speed.
A two minute video of some thing the phone does well, doesn't prove it is faster. Like a magic trick, it's what's not shown that reveals the trick, not what is shown.
Now if you want to do a point to point comparo on WM5/Symbian UIQ3 on equivalent power devices, that's more meaningful, but to be honest I don't care that much about it. Too much effort 
I stand by my view that the video proves nothing.
I can task switch just as quickly in my ppc, and the wm5's I've used are much quicker.
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AbuBasim
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Not much point with a discussion like this. It's like arguing whether coffee or tea is better.
But then, OS religious wars have been raging since computers started becoming widespread. I remember back in the 80s when the war was raging between the VAX/VMS and UNIX camps. And not to mention Commodore Amiga vs Atari!
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masseur
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there is always a point to discussions like this because it makes knowledge avalable to the "opposition" that might make them think twice about their choice and/or at least enlighten them
btw, as an IT guy for 25 working almost exclusively on VAX/VMS but sometimes using unix on the side... give me VMS any day! I'm doing a contract writing C on VMS even now as we speak!
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londonlad123
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tbh I've never liked wm but after the p990 I had no choice but to get one. All I can say is that the TyTN is a much more polished device and wm5 in general is more polished than UIQ and even s60 imo. The layout makes sense, the jogdial can do almost everything where the p990 had troubles changing tabs had a bigger impact because there were lots and lots of tabs or some daily tasks were on other tabs. Theres less of it on WM5.
The speed is snappy like my w800 unless its having an issue which is rare, I grew fustrated with the p990s slowness. Also, wm5 has little important extras such as the choice to add a space after choosing a word from the suggested list. Out of the box you could customise every key on the front face, etc.
On p990 I found opera mini to be the best web browsing experience, which it shouldn't have been.
I just find WM5 to be a more powerful, faster and reliable but maybe that has more to do with WM5 having had more time to perfect and the same can't be said for earlier WM5.
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max_wedge
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Well, I just ran the PocketPC version of Microsoft Virtual Earth (over bluetooth activesync admitedly), and holy crap! Microsoft Virtual Earth is better in some respects but poorer in others compared to google earth, but google heve deigned to offer a pockpc client. Looks like they are going to get in bed with Apple and the iphone, so I suppose we'll never see a pocketpc client for google earth. 
But the pocketpc virtual earth client is phenomonel. Forget about performance issues on ppc, even my old XDA II mini, this abolutely rocks.
Scratch yet one more so called "innovation" of iphone (oops wrong thread )
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rehamer
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until the long press of stylus ( like mouse right click) wont be present in symbian, then i think, WM is still better.
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max_wedge
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yes, right click is something apple just doesn't get. Having become accustomed to the ability to obtain a context menu by right clicking, it's a pain to do without it. It is VERY handy, and even more so on a small device like a phone.
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On 2007-02-03 21:21:08, rehamer wrote:
until the long press of stylus ( like mouse right click) wont be present in symbian, then i think, WM is still better.
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They call it "tap and hold". Very convenient for stuff like copy/cut and paste. This was one major annoynance I had with the P990i. It almost seemed that SE/UIQ were trying discourage users from using copy'n'paste by making it awkward to reach.
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rehamer
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M not a programmer but at least i know what i exactly need.
I have the latest FW of p990i...jsut last nyt i updated.
In doing copy paste.
Isn't it that anyone should conclude that when you do highlighting texts, or select all.......is because you want to do copy/paste. So all you need is the menu to copy and paste.
But it is not the thing in the UIQ. options are, menu then select all, or highlight thru stylus, then menu again then copy then menu again then paste.
VERY ANNOYING.
Worst is, the availability of the third option next to SAVE & CANCEL or the before the INSERT and MORE is not utilized. They should have just added to it copy option, once copied then paste option will appear. as simple as that.
In WM, tap and hold is available like a computer.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-01-28 02:00:35, max_wedge wrote:
On your reasoning, Apple shouldn't have converted to intel, since it's not their own technology. Apple is far more proprietary than Microsoft, EVEN with a UNIX core!!! So PLEASE, if you want to dump on MS, then you should dump on Apple also. They are no better or worse than eachopther, they are multinational companies who only care about the bottom line. And that my friend, is how the corporate world works. |
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Just wanted to clarify somethings as Fact. Apple's Darwin is PURE open source, and based off of Free BSD4.1 > do a search of OS X on Apple's site > it'll even link you to the open source code listing.
I found this from the Apple.com site by clicking on OS X top right corner, then Tiger tab.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/advancedtechnology.html
Then within there clicking on the link for "Unix Foundation" I found this. ...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/advancedtechnology.html .
Apple's technologies - their version for Windowing, Core Animation etc etc is their proprietary code. I'll agree that they're MORE CONTROLLING of their intellectual properties & OS than any other company or organization, but stating their more proprietary > I must disagree as at least the core of the OS X underpinnings is open source. Btw its the most widely used UNIX OS amongst the consumer community. Also, Apple had a Windowing OS long before MS did. 3.1 didn't debut until after the Apple Lisa did (yes it was a Windowing OS that just slightly preceeded the Mac OS). However we ALL know it was Xerox that pioneered the window technology hence why Apple lost their court case of "windows", not Windows, hehe.
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On 2007-02-04 03:12:24, max_wedge wrote:
yes, right click is something apple just doesn't get. Having become accustomed to the ability to obtain a context menu by right clicking, it's a pain to do without it. It is VERY handy, and even more so on a small device like a phone.
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Apple has ALWAYS had right clicking in the Mac OS. Most ppl just didn't care to use it or realize it. Right-clicking as you know is a shortcut for the contextual menu (PC's have a key shortcut to do this, Apple has the Option menu key). 2 button support has been around since OS 7 - most ppl don't know this.
Sorry I didn't want to go down this path BUT there is a LOT of misconceptions going around. Back on topic.
ResidentEvil MANY MANY Thanks for you post at the bottom of Page 1. I remember those days, before 3rd party apps could support reading or editing of MS Office formats - even on the Palm OS devices - it was already there in EPOC on the Psion 5x's. YES folks Symbian already had native support - not sure whatever happened to it since its grown but it WAS there before!
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On 2006-09-28 15:29:43, gommace wrote:
I have both: an iMate Jamin (Qtek 200) with WM5, P990i with UIQ3 and Nokia E70 with Symbian S60. I can resume my opinion in a few words: Windows Mobile is better to be used as PDA, and Symbian is better when used as phone. So, if that you need is a good calendar, a good contacts manager and the possibility of playing with your Word, Xcel... etc., and the use of the phone is less important your election has to be WM, but if that you want is an extensive use of the phone your best election is Symbian.
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I think EVERYONE should isolate the versions of BOTH platforms before continuing this discussion.
a) Symbian & the WinCE code are BOTH platforms. We do NOT interface directly to either of them on ANY current PDA/Phone or combination of the two.
b) Symbian has two main kinds of user interfaces, or GUI (Graphical user interfaces): S60 3RD Edition & UIQ3. Both are based off of the Symbian OS platform but are COMPLETELY different implementations from one another!
S60 is more intended for 1-Handed operation. For the most part its more "phone" centric but as we'll see just in the summer that'll change - (2nd Misconception > S60 will become more of a PDA incarnation in the upcomming Nokia Communicator E-90 line; thus S80 WILL be DEAD).
UIQ3 is more PDA or Stylus & 1-handed operation. This version is intended from its inception to be 1-Handed OR 2 handed with STylii interface. However this'll lead me to another point or 3rd Misconception. UIQ3 has the ability to be 1-handed interfaced as well - something I do pray SE will show us shortly without segmenting into a market category phone (ie music brand).
Windows Mobile 5 has 3 major editions. The least of which we hardly see anymore the classic PDA version.
PocketPC-PE (or Phone Edition PDA) is most likely the reason (based on 2003 edition) for my isolation of "gommace's" quote above. The current HTC P3600 is based on the WM5 PPC-PE gui. Again, THIS version is intended as a 2/1-handed gui with Stylii interface abilities.
Smartphone Edition - which the HTC S620/Moto Q/Samsung BlackJack & SGH-i600 are based on - is intended to be a 1-Handed ONLY GUI Edition. This version is VERY comparible to what Nokia has established the S60 design & gui to be thus far. No native support for editing office documents but can be tweaked for that.
Would like to finish off that with the 3rd party developers & major developers, along with much faster cpu's & with manufacturer's like HTC we're seeing VERY seemless OS interactions & speed from user input. S60 3rd edition devices like the N93/E61 are HUGE comparisons for speed that are even matched with devices I've named above on the PPC-PE/Smartphone editions above.
Lastly, SE & Nokia must STOP thinking of only European's as users for UIQ3 & S60, respectively as currently Neither has produced a device that uses BOTH worldwide 3G bands (2100/850/1900Mhz - don't get me started on the FCC auction to TMobile USA for the 2100+1700mhz 3G bands as thats still months away before implementation)! HTC is currently the ONLY manufacturer that has products IN the marketplace - where any of us can purchase from more than one supplier) that has Tri-band 3G.
Microsoft makes HUGE investements, advertising and corporate innovations that trickle down to the end user that their beginning to make HUGE headway with partners in Europe. Nokia's S60 & UIQ3 has some serious competition! Don't believe me? Look at contracts with Vodafone, O2 and now HUGELY with Orange of WM5 devices (PPC-PE & SMartphone Edition alike).
Peace.
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I have had experience with WM2003 and WM5. I can tell you that at the beginning, WM was horrible at memory management. It leaked more than the White House.
WM2003 devices also had this problem that there was no 'permanent storage'. If you let the battery completely drain, all your data was gone. WM5 improved on this with better memory management. In WM2003, a portion of the RAM was reserved for persistent data, in WM5, more RAM is available for user programs.
I have used the K750, P910 and now have a M600. I have also used a KJAM, iPaq, and JASJAM. I find that phone quality was always better on symbian devices. I don't know if this is because of the operating system, or just better hardware in SE phones compared to the others.
Customizing is not a big concern with me, as I prefer to use the device for what its intended, not to put eye candy on it. However, when browsing for customizations/hacks I found there were a lot more for WM5 than for what I could find for the Symbian OS.
For enterprise users, there is no question that WM5 wins out. I have had numerous problems with Symbian and push email. With WM5, it just worked the first time out the gate. Also small things like a remote desktop client on WM5 makes life easier for me. I can be in any location and just connect to the server via remote desktop from the JASJAM and take care of any issues.
I really haven't found the perfect WM5 device. I always find some kind of issue with them. Usually its their size/bulk. On the iPAQ, the voice quality and memory management were horrible that I had to get rid of it within 3 days of use.
I'm still on the hunt, but so far, the M600 is doing a great job of making it easy for me to rack up my bill sending SMS
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-02-04 09:11:22, fyrestrtr wrote: I have used the K750, P910 and now have a M600. I have also used a KJAM, iPaq, and JASJAM. I find that phone quality was always better on symbian devices. I don't know if this is because of the operating system, or just better hardware in SE phones compared to the others.
I'm still on the hunt, but so far, the M600 is doing a great job of making it easy for me to rack up my bill sending SMS
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For this I must agree for voice quality - because I'm in the process of upgrading to the HTC S620 - unless the S630 debuts. I have yet to use the any UIQ3 device as well so I cannot argue against. Now, in regards to the SMS on M600 - I need more. I like the calendar/appointment system as its a take from the RIM BlackBerry lineup - especially the Ajenda view. But I want to see MORE of the OS GUI Themes & more applications like Remote Controling my Windows XP or Mac OS X desktop remotely even if its via a shell for SSH/SSL connection. I also want multimedia capabilities > more camera & VGA video recording.
SE is lacking on the multimedia front EVEN with the might of the P990i which is at a very sweet price point now for me. I'm tempted but I need more video capabilities.
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I think you should hold out for the N95. That thing looks like it will beat the pants off of the P990, plus it has a lot of multimedia mumbo-jumbo (which I think is what your hot point is).
I just now started watching proper videos on the M600 (thanks to M3), so I can't comment on the multimedia capabilities of any phone, as I just use them for very 'boring' data/business/CALLING (hey, its a phone, right? Not a DVD player or a stereo). 
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