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Posted by c96sthl
For me, if SE manage to come out a phone tht can integrate or blend into the digital home concept or digital media concept which Samsung and Panasonic is trying to push....it will be one hell of a lead.

Just imagine when you are on the road (on the train)....and you manage to play your favourite game with your kid who is at home playing with his PS2.....or you can control all your Sony Product at home thru your SE phone....or when you just found a very nice/romantic tune to share with your gf...you can just send it thru them from your Sony HiFi to your gf phone...either using bluetooth/wifi given she is within the range or thru gsm network (M2M app.)


Posted by tranquil
That would have been nice but it doesn't work like that; Ericsson, sony and SonyEricsson are three independent companies. They actually buy solutions from each other.
The company I work for are the only company in Norway who only sell Ericsson solutions for land lines. Mr Ericsson of Norway, Knut Heimdal, drops by our offices frequently and asking him about is like asking my mother. He has no clue what they are up to or anything related what so ever. (He is a cool guy though )

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A couple of spelling errors edited...

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Posted by Qoastro
@c96sthl
You have a beautiful dream and I hope that it will become more than just a dream. But I don't think it'll be possible, not in a near future...

Posted by sapibobo
Correct answer. SE, Ericsson and Sony is different company. At the consolidation report maybe they're one, but if you want to look at stand alone report (each one), the use of resources by one another should considered as an expense or revenue to each party.

For example, walkman technology in mobile phone is an expense to SE (and revenue to Sony). SE has to meet its own balance between 'to deliver high end products to customer' and 'to gain profit adequately'. Use Sony expertise in advertising and media also an expense to SE.
Even using a memory stick media (alleged being 'forced' by Sony to SE - otherwise we'll see P Series with mini SD) is not free.

At consolidation/holding report, this internal expense and revenue can be adjusted.


One of advantage, SE and Sony may have met some kind of "agreement" to each other about the "decent" price for this transactions. SE might enjoy a lower price than the market, but it cannot totally "free of charge" for the sake of accounting principles when calculating SE's stand alone profit properly.

SE has some liberty to choose (or buy) the resources its needed either from LM Ericsson or Sony or other party. This kind of freedom is actually not a right description, since there might be some political issues related with the choices- especially to Sony.
Seeing SE's products lately i can take some conclusion that they're concentrating more to Sony than Ericsson. SE seems neglected EDGE or Push To Talk, or WCDMA or other telecommunication tech. from the majority of its current product.

As i said, SE has to meet the balance between the high end products and good profitability. This year most of their resources went to Sony. I think if SE spent more resources to Ericsson, this year would not be "the profitable" one as we all know.

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Posted by soichiro
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On 2005-03-23 08:15:49, tranquil wrote:
That would have been nice but it doesn'¨t work like that; Ericsson, sony and SonyEricsson are three independent companies. They actually buy solutions from each other.





i've always thought they were under the same roof all along. but wouldn't it be great if such a notion is ever realised. man, imagine having some kickass gadgetries all in one package!

oh btw, apa khabar @c96sthl?

Posted by c96sthl
Yes I agree all the mentioned issues which related to money or copyright of one company's technology.

But then remember a few years back when Sony trying to promote their memory stick as a media tht connect all its devices. The concept or "dream" I mentioned is already used and Sony Ericsson P800 is actually showed in tht Sony ad.

It is not really reaching the level you can play games between phone and Playstation but I do believe concept is in progress.

Remember that most of us here won't believe that a phone can have camera 8yrs ago before they introduce 3G/UMTS

Posted by c96sthl
Quote:

On 2005-03-23 08:15:49, tranquil wrote:
That would have been nice but it doesn'¨t work like that; Ericsson, sony and SonyEricsson are three independent companies. They actually buy solutions from each other.
The comany I work for are the only company in Norway who only sell Ericsson solutions for land lines. Mr Ericsson of Norway, Knut Heimdal, drops by our offices frequently and asking him about is like asking my mother. He have no clue what they are up to or anything related what so ever. (He is a cool gut though )




Additional note.

All three company E///, SE and Sony are independent identity but remember 50% of the share holding in SE belong to E/// and the other 50% is Sony.

To me, they are just taking the best from each of their parent into their design. The concept I mentioned is something good for them to be the most innovative phone maker in the market...right?

Posted by Debu
Dude, I'm sure that in less then 2 years you will b e able to do stuff like that. Infact from my PDA2k, I could surf the net, browse files on my PC (over wlan) and using and Activesync, I could control my PC and play songs on my PC etc. Sooner or later your 'dream' will be realized.

Posted by goldenface
Quote:

On 2005-03-23 07:58:36, c96sthl wrote:
For me, if SE manage to come out a phone tht can integrate or blend into the digital home concept or digital media concept which Samsung and Panasonic is trying to push....it will be one hell of a lead.

Just imagine when you are on the road (on the train)....and you manage to play your favourite game with your kid who is at home playing with his PS2.....or you can control all your Sony Product at home thru your SE phone....or when you just found a very nice/romantic tune to share with your gf...you can just send it thru them from your Sony HiFi to your gf phone...either using bluetooth/wifi given she is within the range or thru gsm network (M2M app.)



I know what you are dreaming of. I have those 'ideas' all the time

It would be, One remote control to control all of the Sony equipment in your home but this device integrated with a mobile handset, enabling you to send/stream images over the 3G networks.

Your TV screen could also be used to view the images streamed from your partners 3G handset.

A movie from your DVD system could also be streamed via 3G to your partners 3G handset while they are away on a long journey, to stop them from getting bored etc.

Away from home? Set up the Bluetooth Robot Camera to stream images from home just to make sure all is safe and well and to check you haven't left the iron on.

The possibilities are endless when you think about it...

We should start a new thread with these ideas...

Posted by c96sthl
@goldenface

When you mentioned bluetooth robot camera to take care of your house....hmmm they are working on that robot for short range now.

Yup maybe one day there wil be a camera robot from SE tht can connect to your 3G regardless where you are.

If not mistaken, one of the Sony Robot already can do tht with Docomo phone.

Ya....the possibility is endless since in Jpn, they do sell a lot of robot....so it is not necessary for the phone to connect to all the devices...it just need to communicate with the next smartest thing in the house....your robot!!!

Posted by *Jojo*
I would still like it if Nokia and Ericsson had merged - then !

Posted by ether42
then the great early /// phones would be let down (not up held like with se) by crappy old nokia

Posted by *Jojo*
Well how about Ericsson and Bosch, (they use to make nice fones in the latter part of the 90's) !

Posted by ether42
that might be interesting bosch makes good solid easy product just like ///

Posted by c96sthl
bosch belong to siemens now ....

hmmm but I am trying to joke....on this.

If E/// merge with Bosch which still can cover the loses from both company...they might still ends up being SE

Then the concept I post will involve you using your phone to control your jig saw, you drill!!!!! COOL DUDE!!!!!

especially jig saw,.....then we can use it as a racing game hahahaha.

Bosch Jig saw or drill will also equip with a digital camera

Sorry I get carried away haha

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Posted by DeLa
It is very strange to walk into a 'Sony Centre' and see all that Sony-only equipment and then bump into a corner with mobiles with all kinds of brands and an especially *poor* selection of SE's.

S-E is a bizarre marriage. But that's how business is today.

Posted by c96sthl
the sonystyle shop in malaysia have a very nice shopcase of SE product. I don't see it being bad or lousy.

In fact when every sony division is either losing money or losing its profit growth....its JV of SEMC is the star performer now with continuous growth.

All they need is to stay growing now....as with a stronger earning this yr...they will have enough $ to do more exciting stuff.

Posted by goldenface
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On 2005-03-24 07:35:45, c96sthl wrote:
bosch belong to siemens now ....

hmmm but I am trying to joke....on this.

If E/// merge with Bosch which still can cover the loses from both company...they might still ends up being SE

Then the concept I post will involve you using your phone to control your jig saw, you drill!!!!! COOL DUDE!!!!!

very witty.

Posted by max_wedge
ditto. like your thinking c96sthl

Posted by c96sthl
but still it all depends on Sony, Ericsson and SonyEricsson.

I didn't see this concept come fast but from the ad about memory stick show 2yrs ago and the recent DVD camcorder (shot, burn, share theme)...i do expect it will happen soon.

One day we might be able to playback MP3 thru some new sony hifi tht have wireless connection to the speaker....i just hope all this happen faster

Posted by lpt100
or what would be cool is a 'bluetooth' hard drivve with eveythign you could poss need on it. then when your near any phoen or computer your info is instantly there.

Posted by 02
People now days thinks... the old sch infra red is really a useless feature.. even in the newer model like V800/S700 still do have infra red.... personally i think its true.. kinda useless in a way...

However.. infra red will be a great feature.. if SONY and SE allows SONY devices like DVD players, TV etc... to communicate with SE phones... so we SE owners would hv a remote control for our home entertainment.. thus infra red is a useful feature...

Posted by goldenface
Is there any such thing as a Hi Fi with BT 2.0? You would have thought Sony would have developed one. It would be good place to start for our wireless home, streaming music from mobile to Hi Fi.

Posted by c96sthl
Sony and Pioneer have start offering wireless speaker system but tht is not using BT 1.2 or 2.0...of course i know 1.2 can't cope with the ammount of bitrate needed for good or decent musicplayback

if....SE manage to bring tht wireless system made for Hifi audio into their phone....something interesting will happen.

vice versa, Sony can bring BT into those speaker system.

Well I don't see a point why TV, DVD player cannot offer BT....in tht way, IRDA will die sooner or later.

The model number for Sony speaker with wireless connection is Sony SSX90ED and another one which you can check out thru the link below

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-b[....]ion-Start?ProductSKU=SRSRF90RK

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Posted by goldenface
Do any Hi Fi s have USB? Has anyone used the new MMV-200? Does that enable streaming or does it upload then playback media files? I think USB port would make simpler to achieve.
May be Walkman will release a Bluetooth wireless speaker system specifcally for mobiles to stream to, I hope so. .


Posted by c96sthl
the biggest Question is when MMV200 will be out.

It is still in coming soon "lah"

Ya, I almost forgotten SE have this gadget....but still using USB have one obstacle....wire.

now wirelss USB is already in discussion but the bad part for wireless USB is that people again start making statement tht bluetooth with die when wireless USB is widely available.

Personally the worst part tht I can see for BT is tht wireless USB might limited the usage on BT beyond handphone/PDA but it just don't seem tht it can totally wipe out BT.

[ This Message was edited by: c96sthl on 2005-03-28 01:14 ]

Posted by max_wedge
We can only hope they make wireless usb (wusb) backward compatible, because when you go to buy a new BT adapter, why would you not buy a wireless usb adapter, when you can still use it with your old bt devices, but also buy swanky new wusb devices?

It will take 2 years or so for wusb devices to become as cheap as bt devices, but once that happens BT will go the way of the old 9pin serial connections, just the way usb has replaced serial for digital cameras.

Posted by c96sthl
one of the problem is INTEL made a public statement saying BT is dying.

But then knowing what happen to the initial launch of USB....maybe like you said it will take a very long time for WUSB to take off.

Posted by max_wedge
1-2 years before it replaces bt, anyway. Hopefully we'll see a big influx of wireless usb in the next 6-12 months, but even then BT will endure for a while, atleast a year after wusb becomes popular, imho.

It'll take me a year or two to replace all my BT devices; dongles, a keyboard and mouse, BT mobiles, BT headsets, carkit and whatever other BT I buy before wusb is available.

Here's an interesting quote: "The key advantage of this technology over Bluetooth is ease of use — so many users have been burned by compatibility and setup issues when trying to get Bluetooth devices to talk to each other. For the average consumer, if it isn’t dead easy to set up, it just ain’t gonna fly" http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000260034425/

I'm hoping that means BT connections will be as seemless as usb cable connections (imagine a drive appears in "my computer" with your phones folders, much like a digital camera or usb drive)



Posted by goldenface
I do remember reading that until recently only a small % of average consumers knew what BT was. So I think it has yet to peak in popularity.

@C whats with the "lah"

It seems to me that wusb is the way to go. .

Posted by vanquish
Loads of people i know used to call it Bluechip ... !

Posted by c96sthl
@goldenface

If one day you visit Malaysia, you will know...

Quite hard for me to explain, its just something Malaysian like to say when they finish their sentence... nothing special.



Posted by c96sthl
On BT, here in Malaysia...it just become quite popular now.
I have to say a lot of Malaysian follow the trend from HK, Taiwan and Singapore.....BT is quite popular in those location especially with all the cheap BT headset offered by company like iTOUCH in HK or those from Motorola (cheapest is only RM299.....1Euro = RM5)

I still miss the time when I use HBH60 walking around town with all eyes stare at you wondering what are you doing with that Trekkie Gadget

That time even mobile shop sales person was amazed with it.

Posted by goldenface
The MMV-200 can be found quite cheaply on ebay now.

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Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
Having suddenly stumbled across this thread it was very interesting to see the things people where hoping for and what we actual now have.
PSP, location free box still no wireless USB though. Also the fact that a lot of SE phones although they use Memory sticks tend to ship with Sandisk sticks. My biggest gripe is that SE phones don't support ATRAC in any of its variants.

Marc

Posted by tranced
well, youre rite. i have a walkman mz-nh600d and the atracs, sincerly, i dont like that format. that's why they didnt incorporate that. in my opinion.

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Posted by vrl29
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the old sch infra red is really a useless feature.. even in the newer model like V800/S700 still do have infra red.... personally i think its true.. kinda useless in a way...


wow, i'm quite touched by the way the S700 is called a 'newer version'; i actually feel like my phone is quite antique now...

anyway, IR is not really a useless feature; it's implemented in newer phones to be backward-compatible to older phones. and if i'm not mistaken, IR is the connection being used by a remote control over a TV/home sound system so it just won't pass away anytime soon. i could say the same with BT; even though there's a new technology looming at the horizon, it will still take years to make BT obsolete because most devices still use BT as their means of communication...


Posted by macdid
support for atrac files

Posted by goldenface
Don't the latest cordless headphones use IR, I can't see it disappearing soon.

Posted by Dups!
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On 2006-11-10 11:46:57, goldenface wrote:
Don't the latest cordless headphones use IR, I can't see it disappearing soon.



Yep. My cordless Phillips headphones do use Ir. I think Ir is likely to disappear but not just yet, bluetooth is definitely taking over. I just saw a Pioneer bluetooth cd player so we're getting there where bluetooth is going to be all over if it's not already all over.

Posted by goldenface
@EMS06

What is the BT used for in the CD player?

Posted by Dups!
@goldenface- that I'm still in the process of finding out. I saw that in passing 2 days ago.


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