Posted by malinda
Lot of ppl will cross over to Nokia bcoz of this 6230. It is too bad
will hit very big time coz have to show there new T650 before Q4 2003!! 
Posted by masseur
why wait for the T650? It seems people in this thread already prefer the T630 over the Nokia
Posted by sheebybabe
ill definitely wait for the 6230 , t630 does not have an MMC , VGA cam and Video recording capabilities. no raido even , and the 6230 has bluetooth that is the icing on the cake for me!
i just wonder how much it will cost me. 
Posted by Vlammetje
why present 'lots of ppl will cross over' like fact?
Customer behaviour is fickle and unpredictable and source of endless research and guessing.
It all remains to be seen.
Posted by masseur
While the T630 doesn't have a VGA cam it has software to convert the pics taken to VGA size. Ok not the same but how often do you want to email or MMS VGA pics?
Also I really don't understand the fascination with video recording on such a small screen (smaller than the T630 I understand)
...and yes I agree with you vlam, I did read it as fact rather than opinion, but I guess it was only Malindas opinion
Posted by pzboyz
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Why is MMC so important? Do you want this for listening to MP3/WMA files? If so, then is there going to be a steroe headphone jack socket because I do not think this was listed.
Posted by Vlammetje
Altho I too find the 6230 a very very very decent phone with a lot of features... there's no telling until I've been to a shop a tried it out if it will actually full fill expectations.
I do see the fun in video recording, but I know myself well enough to know I upload anything and everything to my PC for viewing... on any phone it'd probably be kak
Still it's good that there will now be some serious competition, i hope other brands will join
Posted by malinda
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I'm with U man.....
BUT ppl don't NOOOO
Posted by Scandermore
I own a T610 and I'm happy with it, but I reccon that a MMC in which you can store your VGA pictures (much better quality than CIF, in order to transfer to the PC), store your MP3 (the 6230 will play MP3!) and many other things is very useful.
So, for me, 6230 beats T610-T630:
- MMC (plenty of space)
- VGA Cam
- MP3 playing
- Radio (not very useful for me, but it's a feature).
I don't choose a phone only looking for a brand, but for features, so I think that's undoubtable that the 6230 has all the features of th T610, and much more!
We'll see if SE replies Nokia with something amazing (and think about P900 bcause it's another type of phone (size))
sCaN
Posted by malinda
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video recording
Posted by sheebybabe
I am trying to browse the web about the diference of a VGA cam vs the CIF can you help me out and list me the difference regarding pix quality of these two? Or how do they differ from each other?
Posted by TheRealSpawn
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Because it enables the user to overcome the idiotic limitations of 2mb memory found in SE T610/T630 which prevents me from using even the most basic features presented in these otherwise wonderfull phones to their full extend.
This is my personal biggest annoyment of these phones. I'm not going to switch to Nokia anyways cause I still love my SE phones, but it really really annoyes me to only have 2 mb memory. The T630 are marketed as a multipurposephone, play games using attachable gamepad, add pictures to all your contacts, create nice themes, take pictures with camera etc etc. Now how in the world am I going to do all that with only 2 mb memory. Its not even enough memory to add a picture to each of my contacts as advertised - let alone do anything else if I wanted to. How am I going to play these wonderfull gamepad supported games if theres no memory left to load the games? How am I going to use the camera if theres no memory left to store the pictures? etc. etc.
I say this over and over - SE stop being so god damn stupid - you make these wonderfull phones that look and feel great with functions and menus that makes them almost perfect imho, and then you ruin it by crippling the memory. Its ok that you dont want to equip the phone with more than 2mb memory as a basis, but if you do so, then atleast add an mmc-slot to enable me to add the amount of memory that I need to use the features you advertise. Otherwise all the features are simply useless salesgimmicks. Its a simple thing - add an mmc-slot and to me the phones would be perfect and I'd be an SE fan for life.
Posted by masseur
well.. maybe not MMC as they are limited in available capacities... usé and SD... but of course they won't because they will want to use memory stick duo if they are going to use anything... and I wouldn't complain if it was only a MS duo and not duo pro that I could use on my T610
128Mb on my T610 would be fantastic!
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...Unless I'm very much mistaken
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Posted by malinda
SE have to come up with some NEW phone (with video recording/mp3/VGA cam/MMC) to gundown this Nokia 6230. Before end of Q4 2003.
Posted by TheRealSpawn
an SD slot would be tops
but any kind of memoryslot would do !! as long as there is one, I would atleast have the possibility to fix the memoryproblem myself. Thats all I ask
Posted by malinda
Where is this
CEO's. You have to comeup with A phone
Posted by masseur
I think you are overestimating this phone malinda. by the time the 6230 is available Nokia will shoot themselves in the foot by announcing something else... they always do
Posted by djk
I am bored with such a topic.
I am really agree with Vlammetje's idea. Consumer behaviour is unpredictable.
6230 is not released yet and most of us don't know what will be presented by Sony Ericsson in the time that the 6230 launches in the market.
Do you all still remeber the case of 7210? Yes Nokia won for a moment but T610 fastly got the 1st place in the selling chart in many countries and even help the company to make profit.
Sony Ericsson is much more worried than most of us, because the loss is their money! We can simply change our mind and get a Nokia phone but they cannot. They need to make the company survive.
Let's see what will people do when 6230 is launched in the market. Maybe someone may change their mind and say "SE makes a big hit to Nokia!" "I'm gonna go back to SE" or even "Oh, XXXX is better than 6230 and I delay buying a new phone".
Posted by samriley
theres also the minor thing of the nokia phone will probably cost around the £300 mark. yes its a nice phone but will be rediculasly expensive like all nokia's. look at the 7250 and the t610, both are similar featurewise but the 7250 costs about 2x the price of the t610.
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Posted by shootass
hi im new here
can ya'll tell me what exactly is the SE t650?
tq
Posted by TheRealSpawn
T650 is really nothing - its only a roumor and guesswork on how the next SE T6xx phone will be.
Posted by malinda
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I also Hope toooo "messeur" BUT....
Posted by masseur
T650 is a rumour... here is the main thread about it which is not too disimilar to this thread in that the discussions seem to compare the T650 with the Nokia 6230
Important info about SE 'T650'
Posted by Universal Exports
It's a rumor (so far) and have been discussed here.
Ooops. Didn't see the above post.
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Posted by ppcrockar
Why do people compare a phone that has been available since May this year (T610) with a phone that will be available next year (Nokia 6230)? Kind of pointless. I'm pretty sure that SE has some new neat stuff for next year.
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Posted by Scally_cadet
I wont buy nokia again after the problems ive had with my 7210.
Posted by malinda
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Me TOOO I also had lot of problems with my Nokia 8250...
BUT this 6230
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Nokia - 8250/3330
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Sony Ericsson - T630
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Posted by jrmi
The "VGA cams" of the upcoming Nokia mobile phones are a little bit quite overrated.
From what ived heard is that, it is capable of taking videos of at least 10 seconds which is the standard that will be allowed by MMS, so its quite a short time.
I think SE would not yet consider this step at the moment because their partners Sony, are producing top of the line video cams. To incorporate this feature in a phone would be bad for their corporate partners.
Even the "EDGE" platform of communication would not be a factor of comparison, since the network providers are not yet supporting this technology as of yet.
The T630 would be a good upgrade for SE from the T610, it like a highbreed of the features of Z600 and the T610. The Nokia 6230 is like, to me, a phone that they manufactured to outdo the T610.
Posted by sheebybabe
can anyone shed light on this??
I am trying to browse the web about the diference of a VGA cam vs the CIF can you help me out and list me the difference regarding pix quality of these two? Or how do they differ from each other?
Posted by Scandermore
VGA: 640x480
CIF : 352x288
Size talks.
Also wanted to comment: someone said that 7250 costs the double that the T610. Nonsense. Here in Spain, 7250i is 10€ cheaper than T610, free-SIM phone.
Remember that those phones that are free-SIM are partly paid by the operator, so yo can't compare them. (you can, but it's not reliable...
sCaN
Posted by richardadc
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We're not. SE are releasing the T630 at the same time as the Nokia, and the Nokia is far superior.
Posted by Vlammetje
Let's try them out be4 we judge. i agree the specs list is superior, but what about usability? let's play with them first shall we?
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
as if SE phones do not have problems like nokia's. SE phones are much more problematic than nokia phones and one thing prevalent in SE phones is the crappy fluctuating RF.
Posted by Vlammetje
and that is exactly one problem I have never had on all 3
phones I've owned so far.
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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yeah right. whatever... you lucky bastard
. i have to bear with my t616's signal fluctuating especially during a call.[ This Message was edited by: d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z on 2003-11-05 08:45 ]
Posted by Vlammetje
you on 1900 or 850 band mate?
me never had 850.... did use 1900 tho and worked a treat for me
Posted by ppcrockar
Yes, but the T630 is hardly SE's new top of the line phone for next year, it's just an evolution of the T610. You better wait until the new SE phones are announced before comparing.
Regarding fluctating RF. The reason the signal bar is fluctating more on SE bars has nothing to do about reception quality. It has to do about how often the phone updates the signal bars... ie checks the signal strength. The SE phones does this more often than Nokias.
Posted by Scandermore
About the fluctuating RF:
Many people says that T610 RF fluctues very much. That's normal on ANY phone. There is a big difference in the RF if you put your hand around the antenna of the phone or you leave it free of interference.
So... the main difference between SE phones and Nokia (eg) is that the RF bars are refreshed faster. With nokia, you get a mean value of the last minute (or something similar, it's an example), but with SE you get a more instant value. People is not used to it, so they think that RF is fluctuating.
Remember that the RF bars are not TRUE measure of the RF reception. You can't compare the reception of two phones only with the bars. There brands that are more pesymisthic (the bars decrease rapidly, but you can talk with almost 0 bars) and optimistic (you have many bars quicly, but you need half the bars to talk).
The RF signal fluctuates in ALL the phones, but in some you don't see it, it's the only point. If you don't believe try moving your radio antenna in your house... you'll hear the fluctuation
sCaN
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
oh yeah right folks. i just always notice it when in a phone call so i based what i posted on what i experienced while using my phone. i like nokia phones better when it comes to the RF.
Posted by richardadc
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But you don't know that. The new T630 is still quite a feature packed phone, and it's certainly acceptable for the majority of users. In truth there is no real reason for SE to release a more advanced phone anytime soon, especially when they've probably figured out there current phone is selling well.
I do however imagine the T630 is only there to pass the time for their next big phone, but by them releasing a phone inbetween sort of says that they won't be releasing another phone in this band for quite a while, maybe the third quarter of next year.
Posted by orange
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T630 is top of the line phone in it's category from SE right NOW and 6230 is top of the line phone in the same category from Nokia right NOW. Next year both of the companies will announce new models to be compared, but until then we can only compare the phones that are announced. Yes, I know. It's pretty hard for die-hard SE fan to accept the fact that 6230 has better specs in overall than T630. There's no room for speculations in here, just take the spec sheets and compare the raw facts.
Posted by ppcrockar
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Yes, but with the difference that the Nokia is new product while the T630 is basically just a small improvement over the T610. It's hardly gonna be SE's top of the line phone for next year. Yes the 6230 specs are pretty impressive. But we haven't seen more than the T630 announce by SE for the next year. They are most likely gonna announce some more.
And as we've seen this year. SE has learned from their previous mistakes of announcing phones long before they'll be aviailable. SE are now annoncing phones that are available very soon after first announcement.
Although I might switch to 3G when the Z1010 is available.
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Posted by orange
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And 6230 is successor for 6220 with improvements. And do you really think Nokia won't announce any new phones to be sold next year? I'm pretty sure they will. As I said, this is the situation NOW and lets look at the situation again next year when both of vendors will announce new models.
Posted by ppcrockar
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Yes.. but my point is that when the Nokia 6230 is actually available it'll not compete with the T630 but with another SE phone. It's still several months before the 6230 will be available. Actually it could be as much as 5 months before it's in stores (Q1 2004).
People around here always compares phones that aren't available. It's no point in compairing phones that will not be available in several months since this is a fast moving market, and it changes very fast. Compare the phones that are available in shops.. not the announced ones.
Look at the SX1 for example... it has been announced for a long time and is still not available, and while it seemed pretty good when it was announced it doesn't seem as good today.
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Posted by Arne Anka
Sure, 6230 seems better than T610/T630 on paper and perhaps Moto V600 will be better than Nokia 6230. But that is how the story goes. SE had the best phone(s) up till now and tomorrow some other manufacturer has an even better phone and the day after
tomorrow SE presents ... etc.
However, T630 is not the last phone SE will ever make and the link below is a proof of that since SE mainly base their phones on Ericsson Mobile platforms. It gives a little guidance what can be expected during 2004 and forward.
What about:
- Quad band phones (ala V600).
- Trimode phones (GSM-EDGE-WCDMS).
- Memory Stick and strange enough, MMC as well.
and so on.
http://www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Ericsson-Bengtsson-031703.pdf
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Posted by malinda
Where is this
T650. Nokia 6230 already intrudes and Nokia says they will put out in Q1 2004 BUT WHERE IS THIS T650 NO pictures NO NEWS IN THEY WEB SITE WHAT THE 
Posted by masseur
give it up Malinda, they only just announced the T630 so try again in 2 to 3 months!
Posted by malinda
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Any way I'm going to buy this SE T630 in Mar 2004. But if the pricing are same I'll think this Nokia 6230 tooooo......
Posted by masseur
but haven't you been "going to buy" something or other for quite a few months now? and by mar 2004 there will be something else that is coming in a few months that you will probably want.
I'd say get yourself a T610 now as there is not much diff between that and T630... and the point there is that you can get it NOW!
Posted by Vlammetje
hmmm... or the Z600.
Think Ima try that for a change.....