Posted by GOwin
sorry guys. i moved the thread by accident to the archives and it's only laffen who has the right permissions to move it back here.
Anyway, last post from vwbeetle
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i suggest we sit down and talk about what you've all been saying and planning to do. we need the expertise of our resident techies. mahirap na sumabak ng hindi alam ang "facts". first of all, ano ba ang ginawa ng globe? paano nila ito ginawa? at pinaka-importante sa lahat may ebidensiya ba tayo na yun nga ang ginawa nila? kasi madali para sa kanila mag-deny. pag malinaw na yun, madali na gumawa ng hakbang na legal. sugestion ko magkita-kita tayo bukas after office hours. pagmalinaw na lahat, pwede na mag-inuman. o di ba? inuman pa rin ang bagsak. game na! |
Q: ano ba ang ginagawa ng Globe?
A: iba-iba ang sagot, depende sa CSR rep na kausap. But the fact is, there are sites they (globe) admittedly blocked.
Q:may ebidensya ba?
A: you can still visit the esato wap site (among those blocked) using a wap browser over a different net connection. fromt this, we can discount the error is due from the site (or it's host).
Q:paano nila ito ginagawa?
A: Globe is our internet service provider. Think of them as the one who controls the flow of water down a hose - the one by the faucet.
Q:ano ba ang nakasaad sa kontrata natin with Globe re WAP over GPRS service?
A: wala. they never promised that it will remain free or that they would continue providing access to any site.
I think that's enough to start some sparks.
(sorry talaga sa thread)
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Posted by pogie
bilis mag reset ha!
Posted by vwbeetle
@gows - they admit that they blocked certain sites? what i wanted to learn is how this "blocking" works in technical terms. we can start from there and inquire why access to the web via gprs has been restricted in this way. and why this remains the case even if one is paying for internet access. its an interesting test case for litigation (if you guys are so minded). it may also be an avenue to have media coverage (paging jwblue). at the very least its a not so lame excuse to get together and drink.
Posted by kapitan jackal
@* as far as i know, walang malinaw na contract for GPRS service. also for it's being free. dun sa "FREE" GPRS, they have the right to scrap that (charge us)
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE "RIGHT" TO CHOOSE WHAT WAP SITES WE PREFER TO BROWSE?
tangalin na natin yung free issue, kasi they can call it off whenever they want it too. dun na lang tyo sa pagblo-block ng esato.
i still suggest we raise this concern to SE phils. or SESS (in case they decided to do something, they will be our biggest ally)
SE/SESS will be the front, PSEUG will (if it can) will be at the back
sana lang . . . sana lang.
Posted by doctabako
The Globe CS reps don't admit any "blocking" being done and only point to a system upgrade that they say has affected access to certain sites, which they assure is only temporary ( we wish!!!). while contemplating any legal or media action, the best thing we can do as an immediate measure is to barrage their CSR's with calls (as some have already done) and make them realize that they just can't treat their clients like that.
If their aim is to charge us for GPRS, they should just come out and say so and close their free GPRS gateway without resorting to wap site restrictions which smacks of censorship and as paying consumers is totally unacceptable.
Esato as a whole is a wholesome site and is a big help in answering people's questions about telecommunications issues that their CSR's usually know nothing about. As such censoring or blocking it isn't rational and borders on the ridiculous and insane.
Posted by kapitan jackal
@DocT- amen!
Posted by 619
i subscribed to globe because of their free gprs, and have access to all wap sites... now they blocked it.. i want to terminate our 3 handyphone lines
Posted by Beatrix
619, how can you terminate it? it's on contract...
Posted by kapitan jackal
@beat- Long time pards
@619- sabay tyo! kaya yan, kailang lang malakas and dating mo at may sesegunda sayo
Posted by GOwin
Epekto ba ito ng pagka-pangalan sa pinoychitchat? Ganito ang mga banat noong araw dito e.
(oo nga pala, bumista kayo doon sa site. Bagong retoke na. http://www.pinoychitchat.com).
Now, back to topic.
Issues:
re PSEUG - (more accurately, the SE Mobile Ph) Up to this time, this remains a half-baked idea (as far as I am concerned.) It's not a legal entity and after voting for a name for the proposed organization, nawala na ang mga tao.
re "blocking"
Doctabako is right. The CSR didn't use the word "block", they use the term "un-affiliated" sites. Which really is a form of censorship, which they have no business of doing.
It's not their business to do the choosing for us, they can make any site an affiliate, but they should not prevent us from making a different choice.
As far as I know, the "blocking" only affects WAP users. Using your GPRS as a modem will still allow you to access Esato. The difference here would be the port by which you access esato. Standard http requests (ie using phone as a GPRS modem) let's you get to esato, but using the WAP ports will prevent you from doing so.
re service contract
GPRS is categorized under others, in the VAS category. Sinulat pa nga e. But nothing is mentioned about rates, minimum quality of service, or anything about restrictions to access any particular site.
But globe published an FAQ re GPRS. Here are some relevant snippets:
(PM nyo ako if you want to know where i got it. Italicization mine)
[Original quote removed. Copy of the same post and where I got it is available from our site. The discussion group is called Club 6-9]
Ladies and gentlemen, we know that ESATO is a public forum. I'm offering a part of our site where we can discuss this matter privately, online. Access will be restricted to those of us who know each other.
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[ This Message was edited by: GOwin on 2003-06-09 15:42 ]
Posted by fxyvxn
commercial break muna : to guys who are going to the baguio trip this weekend, please check the EB thread
sorry po, one track mind ako ngayon 
Posted by Lopio
Hi to everyone from damn_im_stupid........ hindi kasi siya maka login.........
Posted by bonito99
@beatrix: long time! how's cdo?
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Posted by 619
bea... dont know, but we can try... not satisfied w/ their service anymore... was expecting them to be better.
Posted by GOwin
pssst ...
pasyal kayo sa site ko.
. tutal gising pa din naman kayo at online. hehehe
Posted by Jowi
@scy/kap...called cs...as usual, same answers...they admit na na block nga nila yung ibang sites...she (cs) will report it to technical (DAW)...& she advised me to check the sites tomorrow (AS IF!!!!!--kj, peram)
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just browsed another forum...eto daw yung mga block sites
http://www.ed2k.com.ph/~forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5803
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Posted by dlreyes
Beggars cannot be choosers in the case of wap over the globe apn but if Esato and other sites are being blocked over the internet apn, then it's a different story altogether.
Posted by ferrarista44
announcement: according to more reliable sources (inside Globe.. which are not CSRs).. the reason for GPRS going down is high-usage (high traffic i suppose) which caused Globe to do a reset (of the system, i suppose)...
Posted by weneklek
morning! bilis reset ahh. sayang hindi ako makakasama sa baguio aalis din kasi kami e
Posted by 619
wala sa 39 yung esato.
Posted by mari
@*morning! 4 days na no wap access and counting
the discussions here are getting serious ha.. sana globe acts on this real quick.
@scy- got ur sms late last nite.. mission accomplished.
Posted by Beatrix
okay din pala pag walang access ng esato sa wap para konti lang post. hehehe...
o diba tayo tayo uli. 
Posted by weneklek
nakakalungkot pag ganito
Posted by bonito99
It's totally absurd to be fined 10k for terminating a plan(since 1996), since you've been paying your bills anyway, and all for what? A 4K Nokia Phone?
Posted by Scythe
Oo nga 619, baka top 40 yun at di lang isinama ang esato. Nyemats, naman talaga o.
@kap: andaming tumawag, sana magulantang na sila.
@mari: oks
@*: Ulitin ang pagtawag mamaya.
Posted by pogie
oo nga. omonti yung post natin. so more than half yung post galing wap? gravy ha!
ei beat... weebee!
Posted by clark27
@* gud am!!!!
i called globe this morning i talked to carla she's also familiar with esato hehehehe deny to death na hindi cya block sa system nila at same response will asked their technical dept
sana po maawa na sila
asan na nga pala ung lumang thread last sunday asa page 8 na un e hmmmm........
Posted by GOwin
aba, nabuhay si beatrix a. shy lang pala
Posted by bonito99
@resbak: na-explain ni Master Gowin ang pagkawala ng earlier thread sa first post ng thread na ito
Posted by mariolouis
newbie po ako. pwede pa ko magpost dito tama po ba? hindi yung kayo kayo lang ulit?
@scythe
got your PT last night pards. kung di pa nakulitan yung mga CSR ng globe sa min nina jowi, timz at clark, ewan ko na lang. puro lasing kausap nila.
Posted by pogie
@bonito ... yang 10k na yan... nde totoo yan. actually takot silang mascandalize and mas mahal pa yung astos sa court kesa sa actual na sisingilin nila.
ayaw nilang malaman ng public how they regulate the wap sites. masisilip sila ng DOTC/NTC about censorship issues.
Posted by bonito99
argh.
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Posted by fxyvxn
bonito: go for it
Posted by clark27
@bons: yup nabasa ko ung post ni gowin taka lng ako kasi wala naman nag-aaway nung time na un sa thread e normal naman po
@ml: hehehehehehe lasing ba this am lng naman ako tumawag sa globe at hindi na ako lasing hik
Posted by pogie
anong laban nila? bad serive sila e. and you are actually subcribing for their service. kung sasabihin nila na add-on lang ang GPRS and main service nila is sa calls, e di pwede natin silang idememanda sa drop calls that cost me my future career abroad?
Posted by dlreyes
Would there be an increase of sales of PCs or notebooks now that cellphone posting is being blocked? Abangan ang move ng Esato fanatic!
Posted by GOwin
NTC considers GPRS as a VAS. Not under the jurisdiction of NTC, just like SMS.
Posted by kapitan jackal
@beatrix- bakit pare, gusto mo ba kayo-kayo na lang dito?
masaya ka ba at "kayo-kayo" na lang ulit dito? pwede siguro gumawa ng thread for "NYUBIES' at "oldies".
@sa lahat ng tumawag kagabi, MAMAYANG GABI ULIT!
@bons, 619- i need all the facts regarding sa pagsurender ng line (with the unit) kung gusto nila 
Posted by francine
grabe!!!!!!!!! daig pa ang mahal na araw, kahit noong holy week hindi ganito kalungkot ang esato
Posted by kapitan jackal
@* tama na yang usapan at pagbabanta na yan! kailangan ngayon AKSYON!
@jowi- just checked your link, di nga kasama esato. oo nga pala, pano at sino ang nakak\-kuha nun? as per my previous post, mga porno wapsite ng ang bina-block nila
1. yung BRIGADA KAGABI, tuloy pa rin tyo from 6pm -12mn
2. after 2-3 days pag wala pa rin, magpapadala na ako ng letter sa kanila, indicating the name and mobile #. yugn gusto, PM lang . yung ayaw, di wag. IM NOT A RED WARRIOR FOR NOTHING.
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im not going out of the kitchen! ILALABAS KO YUNG APOY!
Posted by warp86
@kap di ko talaga pwede sa BAGYO this weekend. Di ko talaga mapigilan ang galit sa globe....minura ko na lang!
Posted by arnoldc
huh? init ng ulo ng mga tao ngayon
Posted by kapitan jackal
@* warp- nagpaalam ka ba? wag na! sabihin mo kinid-nap ka at sa bagiuo ka pinakawalan after 3 days
nag hina mo talaga sa alibi. di na talaga ako dadaan ng BATANGAS!
@*FYI ! just called GLOBE CSR (im cool and calm) mabigat na to, they are CHANGING their tactics (alibi's/ek=ek) NOW, their not blocking esato, actuall, a CSR named MICHAEL , told me he can access esato via 3650. takbo ako sa kwarto at kinuha ko yung akin, then di ko ma-access, sabin\ nya nasa location daw yan
muntik na ako mapa-warp. sabi ko do you want me to go to your office in mandaluyong (globe tele-plaza)at pag di ko nabuksan yung site papalunok ko syo tong 3650 ko. biglang sabi nya, sir anbubuksan ko yung site (dun sa mamimili ka kung wml or html) pero after that ayaw na. SINUNGALING. so sa lahat ng tatawag, ingat, mukhang alam na nila ang ginagawa ng BRIGADA, just be calm and cool, walang away, if you think you have a point (right) then GO!
@AC- medyo mainit nga
Posted by warp86
@Kap langya ka.... ang pases ko nun Friday until 3pm lang, then sms lola ying natin at pinilit mo ako ma extend until what time nga? 5am na ako nakarating sa bahay. para di halata.. di na ako natulog nun umaga para di halatang puyat! BAGSAK AKO NUNG HAPON! bayad na rin ako ng utang kong lunch....host mo ule ako sa next na luwas ko!
@Arnold labas ka sa lungga pag luwas ko para maiba naman...puro matandang ying na lang nakikita ko. he he he he
Basta pag alam nyo na pinapaikot lang olo nyo ng GLOBE --- MAGMURA NARIN KAYO....
Posted by kapitan jackal
waaag! wag ganun
teka tawagan ko lang si mari-mar
Posted by bonito99
@Kajacks: what beatrix meant by that is that we, the 'real' people in esato, who have a true concern for this forum, are better off without the 'bogus' people who have nothing else better to do than to 'dirty' the thread. But of course, everyone is still and will always be welcomed here. We don't own this thread, but at least everyone's got an obligation(somewhat) to get along with one another, at least an effort to join in the community.
Posted by 619
planning to buy a tablet pc or ppc for surfing.. (wifi) and planning to get a badminton racket.. pang hampas ng mga taga globe responsible for this mess.
Posted by mari
@kap- ang tagal!
busy ba? baka kausap ng boss ko globe.. inutusan ko kasi baka mabosesan na ko eh but seriously, do we have a case? lalo na yung mga on contract for 2 yrs because of free phones?
Posted by berrybianka
@kap-cool ka lang. i'm sure beatrix doesnt mean it to be that way, mali lang pag-interpret mo
Posted by bonito99
So hot today!
[ This Message was edited by: bonito99 on 2003-06-10 09:05 ]