Posted by jms2367
I don't know if somebody already posted this but I got a laugh about this survey in Gizmodo.
How Much Longer Is Sony Ericsson Going to Be Around?
Posted by ceaser2008
I have just voted in forever category.
Posted by gola
Truth is SE needs to come with something that's very Wow soon and ofcourse, it should work properly...
Posted by skblakee
Not too much longer. P990i and then Satio (reincarnated p990i) . You can't treat costumers that way forever.
Nokia is next. They need to change their hardware and update Symbian to get it on "par" with other UI's. Android is coming fast.
Posted by Bonovox
Most people voted forever so far. I have to say although
have survived their hardest worst period,things do not look good which is sad 
Having read yesterday on GSM Arena that in the worlds market share has fallen off the chart 
Not a good sign I must admit 
It's showing as
1)Nokia
2)Samsung
3)LG Electronics
4)Apple
5)R.I.M
6)Others
I can only presume
has fallen to others
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-02 15:43 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Well SE's portfolio of phones is smaller this year isnt it?
They made a profit again this quater as well.
Just because they fell off the top5 doesnt mean its all doom and gloom.
Posted by Bonovox
Yeah,as long as they can keep their heads & their staff heads above water. Hats off to Apple though outselling so many yet they only have 4 phones around
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-02 16:21 ]
Posted by NoroBiik
On 2010-11-02 16:38:46, Bonovox wrote:
Most people voted forever so far. I have to say although
have survived their hardest worst period,things do not look good which is sad Having read yesterday on GSM Arena that in the worlds market share has fallen off the chart Not a good sign I must admit It's showing as
1)Nokia
2)Samsung
3)LG Electronics
4)Apple
5)R.I.M
6)Others
I can only presume
has fallen to others
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-02 15:43 ]
Cheer up
That ranking is actually misleading since Nokia & LG are in a downward spiral with either huge losses or drastic profit reductions in the last quarter. lets see what the list looks like same time next year.
Posted by Dups!
Was going to ignore this thread but changed my mind. Almost all American bloggers/mobile sites are the most pathetic of all in the world and anyone who believes those extremely biased sites is lost.
The few that are decent over there are unfortunately suffering because of the American market and its consumers that are pro American products no matter how mediocre the products are. Nothing wrong with patriotism as long as one acknowledges faults and problems inherent in one's country's products, unfortunately a lot of Americans don't have that mentality.
SE has come off its worst period ever and it can only get better from here on as long as they remain competitive. I saw them falling off the top 5 list a while ago and I don't see them getting back in there until at least late next year or early 2012 if they play their cards right. The difference between SE and RIM is not that much that it is insurmountable and with LG going down and HTC pushing up SE have a very good chance of getting in there again.
Next year is likely to be a very good year for SE, from Q2 onwards that is, so they are here to stay in my opinion.
LG are the ones on their way out of the top 5. Next year this time they will be out of it.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2010-11-03 13:20 ]
Posted by mario2004
Can you believe it. And 5 or so years ago most chaps in here thought SE will be number 1 by 2010 LOL. Now they are closer to number 10
Even HTC sales more. Sorryericsson has really become a insignificant manufacturer. Who cares . . .
Posted by Bonovox
On 2010-11-03 14:16:26, Dups! wrote:
Was going to ignore this thread but changed my mind. Almost all American bloggers/mobile sites are the most pathetic of all in the world and anyone who believes those extremely biased sites is lost.
The few that are decent over there are unfortunately suffering because of the American market and its consumers that are pro American products no matter how mediocre the products are. Nothing wrong with patriotism as long as one acknowledges faults and problems inherent in one's country's products, unfortunately a lot of Americans don't have that mentality.
SE has come off its worst period ever and it can only get better from here on as long as they remain competitive. I saw them falling off the top 5 list a while ago and I don't see them getting back in there until at least late next year or early 2012 if they play their cards right. The difference between SE and RIM is not that much that it is insurmountable and with LG going down and HTC pushing up SE have a very good chance of getting in there again.
Next year is likely to be a very good year for SE, from Q2 onwards that is, so they are here to stay in my opinion.
LG are the ones on their way out of the top 5. Next year this time they will be out of it.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2010-11-03 13:20 ]
I hope it gets better mate. I am actually loving my x8 at the moment it's a really nice phone. I want
to keep churning out good phones but also I think they do need to catch up with the big boys a bit. Look at HTC & others who throw out 2.1 & 2.2 Android devices with no problems but dither & takes so long to release updates. I just hope their next top Android devices do not have 1.6 again 
@norobiik I was thinking that weather it was upto date that chart. Look at LG,for a while they were churning out quite expensive high end phones(but not many smart phones)now they are releasing very cheap Android or their own OS phones. I think LG have maybe lost their way a little.[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-03 19:57 ]
Posted by Run_dawn10
I agree with this comment.
SE makes the best dumbphones. Everything just works. SE phones have better media players than some Nokia phones I've every seen.
SE makes the best dumbphones around. Period. And if you have some time to tinker around them, they're not so dumb anyway. In SE phones everything just WORKS. I don't have to wait for some software upgrade to get full bluetooth support, cameras are simply the best i've seen in any phone, they're cheap and every new model works just like the older one. With no problem I can use it as a bluetooth remote control for my laptop. I've got HTC Hero now, but any advantages having smartphone over "dumb"phone are larger screen and one big central app market
[ This Message was edited by: Run_dawn10 on 2010-11-04 01:57 ]
Posted by jms2367
+1
SE's feature phones are the best imho.
Posted by Bonovox
Yes,I still love
dumb ass phones 
Posted by rikken
I believe they will be around for quite some time. Imo their "dumb" phones are better than their smart ones. I have had the G900, Satio, Vivaz, X10/mini/pro and none of them managed to impress me enough to keep them for a long period of time
Posted by Bonovox
I recently had a lovely w995 which was stolen
I miss it.
Posted by rikken
I have mine still. I love that phone and will keep it for as long as it works
Posted by Bonovox
Yes,I have seen some online for various prices I may get it soon I want silver one. But it's no longer in shops just online
Posted by Run_dawn10
On 2010-11-04 22:29:46, Bonovox wrote:
I recently had a lovely w995 which was stolen
I miss it.
Posted by Enci1983
Next year the top 5 mobile vendor list will look like this, closely. First will be still Nokia right after them on second place Samsung, now on the third place I think there will be a change coz Apple will take over Lg, and Lg gets the fourth place and on fifth I'm hesitating in R.I.M. and HTC. Unfortunetly I don't think that S.E. could climb back to the top five vendors. I'm really sorry for them
Posted by Bonovox
This business is very unpredictable & you cannot really know that for sure. I mean wherever I seem to go in shops lately in the UK alot of
phones are sold out so I think it's hard to tell & as someone said that chart is not accurate or upto date
Posted by Run_dawn10
SE is not as popular in US and in other regions. I've seeing more people with
phones than Nokia phones here.
Posted by mrjulius
here, more people using nokia phone than se phones.
Posted by domipost
On 2010-11-09 22:23:33, Bonovox wrote:
This business is very unpredictable & you cannot really know that for sure. I mean wherever I seem to go in shops lately in the UK alot of
phones are sold out so I think it's hard to tell & as someone said that chart is not accurate or upto date
I have acces to real time Dutch sales figures and I can tell you the list is (for The Netherlands anway) accurate. The order is a bit different, but they are actually the top 5 vendors now. SE is sixt, with the X10 selling a lot less than Desire and Galaxy S
Posted by TeenInvader
And then there is black berry fashion ...
Posted by titus1
And I think resources has a big part why SE can't come up with a BIG BANG. Just look at Samsung, one of the biggest ang richest company today, had been releasing phones at their disposal.
Posted by Bonovox
But with a name like Sony behind the brand I really thought they would have the access to top hardware,software & always be pushing out the latest tech. But it never seems to be the case as shame as it is
are still lagging a bit behind in tech 
Posted by jms2367
Many thought that the joint venture of Sony and Ericsson would be for the better. It turned out otherwise. They have great hardware phones like the X10, but they are always lagging behind in software development in the android front.
I even have friends who call SE phones as Sony phones and they associate it with great hardware because of the branding. But most of the time, these are just marketing ploy. Like with the Walkman series before, the phones has no dedicated sound chips as compared to the music phones of Nokia. It has no 3.5mm audio jack, etc.
I do hope that with SE's upcoming lineup like the PSP phone and the rumored SE Anzu, they will not take the few remaining SE fans for granted by not keeping their software up to date as the rest of the other manufacturers do.
The two top cellhpones currently being sold out here are Nokias and Samsungs. SE shops are one by one closing shops here and does not even have local parts support for their service unlike with Nokia and Samsung. Nokia has to shape up also in terms of their Symbian lineup but the Symbian following here is still quite strong. RIM is also slowly gaining ground with their Blackberry messaging service.
Posted by reeflotz
I agree with SE always lagging behind software development. Personally I think SE phones always have great hardware with lots of potential to win the competition but is then put to waste due to the limited software they put in it. Modified Camera Drivers and Acoustics show that their phones really have the potential to beat their competition but is then neglected by SE, the good thing is that SE seems to be really focusing on their android phones now even though it came out late improving video recording putting continuous autofocus on their X10's minis and pros. Hopefully they'll continue and improve software development and support also their other platforms j2me and symbian to be able to get back on the top list again.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2010-11-12 14:00 ]
Posted by mrjulius
your late on the update
Posted by jms2367
Hi MrJulius, if your talking about the Android 2.1 Eclair update on the X10 series, it is definitely very late. It just came out when the other Android phones are already at Android 2.1 long before the X10 series got it. The talk of the town nowadays is already on Android 2.2 Froyo or the newer not yet released Android 2.3 gingerbread. Hopefully, the SE Anzu with it's Gingerbread will break this non attention of SE to software development.
Cheers.
Posted by dancingfate
Quoted from Mobile-Review:
Sony Ericsson X8 will quickly become the best selling Android handset from Sony Ericsson. An aggressive price of €175 coupled with a decent 3″ screen of 360 х 480 resolution will do the trick. On the other hand, Android fans will not be happy with slow updates and a different interface. The weird solution is interesting for SE fans and resembles an ordinary phone more. Traditionally, when sales go down Sony Ericsson does everything to decrease them even further. It sounds strange, but the facts point in that direction. X8 had all prerequisites for success, but the company made everything to avoid it. Details will be described in the review this week.
I agree with what Eldar said above in BOLD.
If only X8 (and X10 family) released with Eclair I'm sure it sales will be better.
Posted by jms2367
I agree with what Eldar said above in BOLD.
If only X8 (and X10 family) released with Eclair I'm sure it sales will be better.
+1. The X8 should had been released with Eclair out of the box instead of letting users wait for an update.
Posted by mrjulius
SE's UI is great! but late on Latest OS. hope they focus on the future not the past OS
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Indeed, i also agree with Eldar, the entire XPERIA Android family had/has all the hardware, and great software ideas, but SE realy let them down with the outdated Android OS versions and weirdly taking out multitouch
they are killing their own products.
X10 had the chance to be THEE Android phone of 2010, all the hardware is there, software is there but OS version 1.6 realy held all that back, SE better release Froyo as the X10 still has plenty under the hood.
Posted by Bonovox
The x8 is fantastic I love mine even it's fixed focus camera ain't half bad. By the way the screen res is 480x320 not 360x480 but I think it's better than the minis minus the camera & for once I have had no issues with it
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-12 15:57 ]
Posted by NoroBiik
On 2010-11-11 02:14:02, mrjulius wrote:
here, more people using nokia phone than se phones.
nokia's dominance in the Philippines could change in the blink of an eye. They're already losing market share in the low end market to dual sim phones(a killer product here where 95% are prepaid subs) from myphone&cherry mobile. Now cheap low midrange android phones from samsung,se,cherry mobile&lg have come out with just the c6 from nokia as a contender. the x8 debuted in Manila at just over $270 (unlocked)-SE had to respond to samsung or get run over. feature phone sales in the midrange will lose a big chunk of market share to android next year. Not giving up my w995 though:-)
SE has to claw its way back up and they know it. Not sure if Nokia realizes they're not top of the heap anymore in Asia.
[ This Message was edited by: NoroBiik on 2010-11-13 16:24 ]
Posted by strauts
and by the way, how can se sell more if sellers are not ofering se phone, i had seen in shops, of 60 phones half are nokia then a lot of lg, samsung, and others, and then about 8 are se:(, so this is all sellers fault! Isnt it.
Posted by strauts
hei, the androie, if al android will become more popular, and if se will not mess with updates, they could come back in top 5, and nokia vill fall, couse no android phones.
Posted by jms2367
A bit biased but a good read nonetheless on SE's strategy.
Sony Ericsson in 2011, or Strategy Failure?! (by Eldar)
It also tlaks on Nokia's drastic decline in it's Market share.
Posted by carkitter
On 2010-11-16 09:40:03, jojosiscar wrote:
A bit biased but a good read nonetheless on SE's strategy.
Sony Ericsson in 2011, or Strategy Failure?! (by Eldar)
It also tlaks on Nokia's drastic decline in it's Market share.
I don't often agree with Eldar, but I do agree with his comments on
in that post.
Symbian phones are not making headway against iOS and Android competitors.
are behind on WP7 and it's WM phones are dead in the water.
has ruined it's Android reputation by being too slow with OS updates.
Feature phones are a shrinking market.
I cannot see
making headway from here. All manufacturers bar Apple are under pressure because of the pace of change in the smartphone market. Worse, all manufacturers are now making basically the same 4" tablet phone with 1GHz processor and 5-8 Mp camera so market differentiation for Android and WP7 models is becoming confused. The only winners in these categories are HTC and Samsung who have the flexibility to bang out new models at the speed of light, something a glacial will never be able to compete with. Sony Ericsson's traditional strengths - styling and UI - have been taken out of play as the minimalist tablet form factor with a shared OS takes over.
I read comments attributed to the CEO of SE France saying that
won't be entering the tablet market. That's madness. I think that is the only market it could really compete well in. The tablet market does not move as fast as the smartphone market and has only 1 sucessful player and a whole lot of wannabee's whose products are a mishmash of copied ideas done badly. There definately is room for another well thought-out tablet.[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2010-11-24 05:50 ]
Posted by Hobbs
SE must stay out of the tablet business and just focus all their attention on their phones.Only once they have establish themselves back in the phone arena then concentrate elsewhere.
Posted by NoroBiik
On 2010-11-21 11:53:31, Hobbs wrote:
SE must stay out of the tablet business and just focus all their attention on their phones.Only once they have establish themselves back in the phone arena then concentrate elsewhere.
This is how it works for Apple. People get the iPod Touch, get drawn in then get the iPhone or iPad. Or - they get the iPad first , like the user experience then get the iPhone or a Mac. There is one appstore for all of Apple's mobile devices and when Leopard comes (the newest Mac OSX) the Macs will have an appstore too.
It's not about just phones anymore.
(jojosiscar - thanks for the link to Eldar's article. great read)
[ This Message was edited by: NoroBiik on 2010-11-23 02:38 ]
Posted by fairen
I would say.. A while
SE has made quite a number of phones which really made it to the top, good music phones and good camera phones and that's mostly what matters to a lot of people.
Posted by strauts
jap, i think SE should make al phones with autofocus on cameras, and a flash light,
they are maded many phones with af and fl, good screen, and then suddenly a lot of weak phones with out any extra!?! So there are no chose, moust of people will take a nokia, cause the screen a little bit biger, camera little bit better!
But not me, i'll always take SE, no matters what!
Posted by mrjulius
SE, first got my attetion is K750i
and still they got my attention greatphones, slowupdates.
Posted by Bonovox
Slow updates is an understatement
Posted by jplacson
Poor software has always...ALWAYS been an
issue... it carried over with ...
Hardware was never a problem. Sony actually made things worse with their Memorystick Duo earlier on.
needs to understand the importance of software.
Apple gets it... Apple has so-so hardware... covered in a really cute shell. And efficient software.
has great hardware... in a great shell... bogged down by horrible software support.
The X10 Mini UI is a great concept. But it's way to slow and inefficient. Timescape could be one of the greatest Android apps... bogged down by inefficiency.
The X10 Mini/MP could greatly benefit from the speed increase of Froyo... I switched from ADW to LauncherPro and the increase in response time is incredible. Froyo could really help the tiny 600Mhz CPU on the Mini/MP and make it FEEL like it's bigger brother.
I'd take a vanilla Froyo w/ LauncherPro over the Homescreen UI of the X10 Mini if it meant a 400% speed increase!!!
Google did 90% of the work for
already... FOR FREE. I do like the auto config. HTC doesn't have that. But honestly ... MOVE YOUR A$$!!!!
BTW... I still want Sony Nightshot on my
camera!
Posted by se80
They won't be around much longer if they keep releasing poor phones. Taking out Apple..Samsung have the best range plus there's HTC and Blackberry gone mainstream.
SE is going the way of Motorola and Nokia of recent times..however Nokias 2010 range is very good.
Posted by Enci1983
Just the facts. Samsung is not big for its innovation, they make phones like crazy. I meen over the years they far away from the other manufacturers by over 600 phones. By last year when samsung had 483 phones in january 2009, I guess someday people recognize that samsung is making a tamagochi look-a-like dozen phones since the past 2 years. Hand in hand with Lg. Sorry but thats the truth. Ooh and apple 4 phones and they are in the top 5 vendors. How come? Coz they know what, how and when. That is the solution. And Nokia, omg they are dissapointing, they're like totally wicked. E7 will cost 700 euro? I had enough of them.