Posted by motvikt
In the swedish newspaper "NyTeknik" Jan Uddenfeldt (some big boss in SE in charge of new technology) said that they have no plans for new symbian phones.
"- Android är helt klart vårt fokus, Men vi har inte givit upp Microsofts operativsystem Windows Mobile, trots att det haft lite trögt att lyfta. Men Windows Phone 7 finns med på kartan. Däremot har vi i nuläget inga planer på nya produkter med Symbian, säger Jan Uddenfeldt."
Translation:
"- Android is clearly our new focus. But we havnt given up on windows mobile, despite its problems. Windows Phone 7 is on the map. As of now we have no plans for future symbian devices says Jan Uddenfeldt.
link: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyhete[....]m/mobiltele/article2476708.ece
Good news
Posted by tranced
I won't think they will stop Symbian support just right away. I mean, they can't forget their Satio and Vivaz users.
Posted by ceaser2008
Yes its a bitter fact but sony has ditched satio users. Dont know about vivaz support.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
They havent dropped Symbian, they just dont have any plans to produce a symbian device at the moment, Samsung said the same thing, they are focusing on Android and WP7, i think its a great move, there doesnt seem to be any developer interest in Symbian at the moment, and even as an OS it doesnt offer anything over Android.
Posted by xnuo
@tranced: vivaz has a lot of bugs, and we know that even though nokia tends to resolve most of its phones problems, sometimes it does is at an alarmingly slow pace...
so for the moment, i don't think that there will be anything for those phones...
Posted by phonecrzy
GOOD NEWS
I HATE WINDOWS PHONE 7. Symbian fine get rid of it but keep android because theres only a few that actually want windows phone 7.
Posted by Bonovox
Wouldn't it be good if
had it's own mart phone OS 
What about Symbian 3?? Is that going to offer something better??
Posted by phonecrzy
On 2010-09-22 18:45:26, Bonovox wrote:
Wouldn't it be good if
had it's own mart phone OS What about Symbian 3?? Is that going to offer something better??
Symbian is soon to be killed by Nokia, as there next cycle of phones will run MeeGo instead.
Posted by idumbakumar
better they can improve their android capability instead of spending the work on symbian.
nokia is there to take care of symbian.. already x10 is not seeing the light of 2.2 if they spend the resource on android there's definetly going to be down. i dont think symbian 3 offers more than android.. so its a good move by
but shouldn't forget the satio... shame a 12mp flagship is left without a care by
..
they have to learn how nokia did for N8!!!
Posted by HxH
Just don't want bashing here, but
already dropped since show lacks of supported over S60 users.
If real supported I don't think
would stop with only 2 firmwares for SATIO and VIVAZ.
It will be good to
to dropping one that you can't capable of enough supported
Posted by etaab
Of course SE wont be using Symbian for much longer. Symbian 3 is meant to plug a hole in the market that Nokia need to do prior to using Symbian 4 and MeeGo. Nokia who have a large interest in the Symbian OS have already said it will use Symbian 3 for the near future, then Symbian 4 next year in their mid range handsets. MeeGo will take over in Nokia's flagship models.
People seem to think that Symbian is a dying platform but it is not. Its doing the job its meant to do. Manufacturers are turning to Android because its a completely fresh OS that eventually will be just as good as Symbian if not better, much better. As will MeeGo, Bada, and iOS. Symbian is simply evolving.
People have a major disatisfaction with Symbian, but thats not really fair on Symbian. Symbian has been licenced to many companies who have implemented it poorly in their phones which has given Symbian a bad reputation, which should really be directed at the hardware manufacturer. Its not pure coincidence that each manufacturer has bad Symbian implementation other than Nokia. SE, they screwed up the Satio version of Symbian, then did the same with the Vivaz. Samsung, they did a poor job too with the i8910 also. All of these phones have good hardware but a badly implemented version of a great OS.
The Symbian OS is just as good as Android, in fact its better because it has been around for longer. You can do more things on a Symbian phone than any other with possibly the exception of Windows Mobile. Android and iOS are really immature operating systems which have major shortcommings when you really compare them to Symbian if you have some technical knowledge. Look at the iPhone 4, still no true multitasking. Android, like Apple, poor Bluetooth implementation and until recently you couldnt even install apps to memory cards.
I love mobile phones and use advanced functions you get with a smartphone. Such functions arent possible with Android or iOS just yet. So come on guys, wake up, because behind Android's pretty user interface and smooth scrolling menus its very basic in its operation, which is why i still cannot own an Android or Apple phone as my main phone, they're just so bloody limited !
Posted by Tsepz_GP
What exactly are these "advanced functions" etaab?
Have you seen Androids notification system?
Have you seen how well Android intergrates 3rd party apps with the rest of the system e.g allowing any 3rd party app to be set as default for that function?
Have you seen how well Android handles tasks? Its a great mix of how Symbian does it and how iOS does it, no matter how hard you go on Android you certainly wont come across memory errors.
and have you seen how flexible the homescreen is?
Let me not get started at how extremely open Android becomes after rooting. Android is already MORE open than Symbian before you root/hack either OS, but once rooted you have total control of even the hardware such as the CPU, and like symbian the file system.
Having used S60v3 and S60v5 side by side with Android on a daily basis, i can tell you now,theres much more you can do on Android, going back to symbian i feel limited, little things i can tweak in Android i simply cannot in symbian.
Posted by goldenface
They shouldn't drop Symbian. As a consumer? We should hope Symbian survives for the consumers sake. Google is getting a bit too 'nosey' for some people. Both OS's should be able to thrive.
Posted by etaab
@ Tsepz_GP - under your X10's OS, are you able to send a file from your phone to my Satio via Bluetooth ?
Such a simple function, but yet so impossible from the super Android ! not without an app anyway !
Posted by Tsepz_GP
etaab
Yes, i can, Bluetooth File Transfer comes out the box in the X10.
Next...
Posted by Bonovox
There's an app for that
Posted by etaab
Can you install apps to the memory card ?
Bluetooth 2.1 ?
None are present in the X10's current 1.6 state.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
etaab
No, but it has 500mb mem and apps store their data in the mem card, so thats not a problem.
Bluetooth on X10:
Send
Recieve:
Sends and recieving is fast, im not sure about 2.1, AFAIK, it has it already.
Posted by etaab
Actually i should have said not present in 1.6 in its current state, not just in relation to the X10.
Clearly SE added such functionality themselves which Google did not. A point for SE, not for Android.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Bluetooth file transfer exsists in Android1.6 , it was due to security issues that Google didnt enable it,but the beauty of this OS is that if the manufacturer has the knowledge and expertise they can implement the feature themselves.
Posted by Dups!
I've always said that SE should completely drop Symbian and haven't changed my mind. SE sees itself as a premium manufacturer and Nokia dealt them a blow by going low to mid-end with Symbian meaning SE can't make high-end Symbian phones as they already have their A-platform for low to mid-end phones.
SE will eventually dump the os if they haven't already.
Posted by jj03
s.e. Have dropped symbian. Big deal. Hardly a loss is it. Lol..s.e. Have nothing that appeal's to me. Period. Infact, ive dropped s.e. Permanently. Goodbye and good luck s.e. You'll need it.
Posted by etaab
I agree with the dumping SE more than Symbian.
Its like they just dont want to be the best in the market, or even come close to being near the middle. SE seem to enjoy being the failing underdogs.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
+1 Dups. There's no point in sticking with an OS that even devs. have rejected, and looking at Nokia's Symbian^3 line-up, im glad i didnt wait.
Posted by Bonovox
My eldest brother & sister in law last week had a go at trying a touch Symbian Nokia for the first time. They BOTH wanted to throw it out the window by the end of the day. Need I say more................
Posted by etaab
People are always negative about Symbian phones when they've never tried one before. Thats what happens when you come from a basic phone, to an advanced smartphone. Its a natural reaction for any none tech-head.
Posted by Bonovox
Yes but put yourself in the average consumers position. If you were using Symbian for the first time & it's not user friendly people will look elsewhere.
Posted by puestadelsol
On 2010-09-22 22:24:21, Tsepz_GP wrote:
etaab
No, but it has 500mb mem and apps store their data in the mem card, so thats not a problem.
Bluetooth on X10:
Send
Recieve:
Sends and recieving is fast, im not sure about 2.1, AFAIK, it has it already.
Is this possible with x10 mini too? What kind of application do you use? My friend bought an X10 mini, and uses Bluetoot file transfer application, but it's quite uncomfortable...
Posted by etaab
On 2010-09-23 18:32:42, Bonovox wrote:
Yes but put yourself in the average consumers position. If you were using Symbian for the first time & it's not user friendly people will look elsewhere.
I never found it to be that way when i first used it.
I think its just a case of joe average's stupidity. I honestly believe the human race is not as intelligent as it believes it is. So, not only does it relate to adopting a new mobile phone interface, but to everything in life in general. I find myself frustrated and annoyed at people on a daily basis, moreso because i run my own business. I often get quite angry at just how stupid some of my customers are.
I dont think Symbian is hard to use at all. In fact i think its far easier to use than some manufacturers none-smartphone interfaces. Motorola phones for example, i can remember years ago when i picked up my friends Z3 Razr, i couldnt figure out how to do anything on it. At least Symbian use the correct English text labels for a function.
My frustrations continue with my girlfriends Samsung Wave, lovely phone, but so hard to learn to use. Symbian is intuitive, but people are lazy and ignorant.
Posted by adsada
I see it as an experiment, when they started in this smart phone market with WM and progressed to symbian and android. Then they see which is doing the best and what's pointless to hold on to. Clearly android range of X10 is doing very well which is no surprise considering the success of android.
SE smart phones are still terrible, once I upgrade from my K850i, I want an android phone, but the X10 is crap, when compared with the knowledge and expertise in building android smart phones from the likes of HTC.
Posted by carkitter
On 2010-09-22 18:45:26, Bonovox wrote:
Wouldn't it be good if
had it's own smart phone OS ...
Yes it would because manufacturers with their own OS and successful App Store generate much more profits.
At this stage, I don't think
is capable of pulling it off though. Maybe if Sony and combined to share an OS between smartphones, game consoles, future tablets, cloud-connected laptops and appliances that utilise an embedded OS, but Android and W7 are already well ahead in those stakes.
I can understand
wanting to focus on Android and WP7 at present, but if they don't sort out their glacial pace of updates, I can't see them maintaining a top 5 position in the market overall.[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2010-09-24 14:22 ]
Posted by bart
Wen SE dropped UIQ i was very disappointed. Series 60 wasn't good enough to use on a touchscreen phone.
And now they really don't want to play the Symbian card. Again they are not listening to their fans.
Android is nice and fresh, but its got a long way to go to compete against Symbian. Android is over hyped and overrated.
IOS is the same thing. Bada will fail, and windows 7 will always be windows and have many shortcommings.
Again, SE hired some stupid people to lead the company. And with this latest move i'll have to move 2, i'll have to move to Nokia to keep the Symbian spirit alive.
Posted by bambarah
On 2010-09-24 11:49:30, bart wrote:
Wen SE dropped UIQ i was very disappointed. Series 60 wasn't good enough to use on a touchscreen phone.
And now they really don't want to play the Symbian card. Again they are not listening to their fans.
Android is nice and fresh, but its got a long way to go to compete against Symbian. Android is over hyped and overrated.
IOS is the same thing. Bada will fail, and windows 7 will always be windows and have many shortcommings.
Again, SE hired some stupid people to lead the company. And with this latest move i'll have to move 2, i'll have to move to Nokia to keep the Symbian spirit alive.
What you say Bart is 100% right , I can't find suitable applications for my VIVAZ , and it wasn't feelign like a phone when I had my P990i
After NOKIA is controlling the design of SYMBIAN , it lost the SONY ERICSSON touch and power
I think its better for them to focus on Android of course , but I think they realy would let SYMBIAN down
Posted by Dups!
@carkitter
I agree, at this pace SE is kicking itself out of the top 5. Moto and HTC are headed straight for the top 5 and the casualties are likely to be SE and RIM. HTC is going to take a little longer than Moto but SE are sure making it easy for the awakening Taiwanese giant. It is such a shame that SE with such a rich heritage from such powerful parents is so confused.
@bart
SE had a brilliant touch interface in UIQ and could've been easily the benchmark today even with Apple being active with iOS had they played their cards right. I honestly think Bert is the perfect man for the job however, there is a lot of dead wood left over at SE that should've gotten the boot. Those stupid people are dragging SE down the drain.
Posted by Bonovox
I have said this already i no longer like Android for many reasons. It is over rated and has many issues i cannot stand. And again i am not discussing it cos i will only start people going on at me.
Posted by etaab
On 2010-09-24 02:37:07, carkitter wrote:
if they don't sort out their glacial pace..
Funniest thing ive heard all week, i'll have to remember that one !
At last some seasoned Esato veterans like bart are here to back me up against the Symbian-haters !
I used to love SE, but they are so stupid now they're not worth my time or money again. Bring on my N8 !
Posted by bart
we might be old, but have not been corrupted by overrated and over hyped phones.
The oldies, the veterans here used to have phones without colors, a touchscreen, wifi, ...
back in the days we had WAP (HSCSD) and irda, then came GPRS and bleutooth, soon after bluetooth and colors.
While some had a go with the touchscreen based R380, many only joined up with the arrival of the P800. it set the industries standard. As newer models follow up P900/910 and P1i the world started to change slowly. we walked around with very powerful smartphones, but nobody cared.
then suddenly Apple launches a phone that i would've put next to a P800. but the used the most powerful weapon in the world, the media, and they created a hype that boosted the world into saying: I WANT A TOUCHSCREEN.
us symbian UIQ users were like, wtf? we've been using great phones like that for years, but nobody wanted to see/use them. (SE was bad at advertising).
Then one thing after the other went bad. Symbian UIQ stopped existing. Series60 was not ready for touchscreen. Apple became bigger and bigger, windows mobile grew slowly, RIM was starting to kick in. SE started to lack behind. When they introduced their flagship, the competitors were already on the market, the rise of samsung, a brand thats only about fashion and making money in every way possible (illegal 2), the rise of android, a platform with potential, but its also over hyped and not ready to compete with what could've been.
i use a P1i, about 2 months ago i won an X10. i used to for a day and then decided to sell it. Its easy to use, and the cam is good, but its to limited, even devices with android 2.2 are limted. you have aps, well yea many phones have aps, but normal things are still not their. its going to take till android 4.0 till i can say, its a good choice.
but by that time symbian^4 will be out on the market.
and if nokia (and some others) are smart enough, they'll push it so it can remain the top of the industry.
but to be honest, i fear that us veterans are going to keep wondering the world in search of a decent phone for another decade. if only we could build and develop our own phones ...
Posted by Bonovox
I still have no problem with Symbian I am not one who finds it hard to use. I just think it obviously needs tweaking a fair bit. I look forward to the N8
Posted by carkitter
On 2010-09-24 21:10:33, bart wrote:
we might be old, but have not been corrupted by overrated and over hyped phones.
The oldies, the veterans here used to have phones without colors, a touchscreen, wifi, ...
back in the days we had WAP (HSCSD) and irda, then came GPRS and bleutooth, soon after bluetooth and colors.
While some had a go with the touchscreen based R380, many only joined up with the arrival of the P800. it set the industries standard. As newer models follow up P900/910 and P1i the world started to change slowly. we walked around with very powerful smartphones, but nobody cared.
then suddenly Apple launches a phone that i would've put next to a P800. but the used the most powerful weapon in the world, the media, and they created a hype that boosted the world into saying: I WANT A TOUCHSCREEN.
us symbian UIQ users were like, wtf? we've been using great phones like that for years, but nobody wanted to see/use them. (SE was bad at advertising).
Then one thing after the other went bad. Symbian UIQ stopped existing. Series60 was not ready for touchscreen. Apple became bigger and bigger, windows mobile grew slowly, RIM was starting to kick in. SE started to lack behind. When they introduced their flagship, the competitors were already on the market, the rise of samsung, a brand thats only about fashion and making money in every way possible (illegal 2), the rise of android, a platform with potential, but its also over hyped and not ready to compete with what could've been.
i use a P1i, about 2 months ago i won an X10. i used to for a day and then decided to sell it. Its easy to use, and the cam is good, but its to limited, even devices with android 2.2 are limted. you have aps, well yea many phones have aps, but normal things are still not their. its going to take till android 4.0 till i can say, its a good choice.
but by that time symbian^4 will be out on the market.
and if nokia (and some others) are smart enough, they'll push it so it can remain the top of the industry.
but to be honest, i fear that us veterans are going to keep wondering the world in search of a decent phone for another decade. if only we could build and develop our own phones ...
Oh, to have such rose tinted glasses...
My first
was a K700i but I had previously bought a Z600 for my wife. I had installed carkits for the P800 when new and was impressed with this new-fangled touchscreen smartphone technology. The trouble was, a K700i cost NZ$799 while a P800 cost NZ$1599. So I upgraded to V800, V630i and V640i, each phone more sophisticated than the last and an integral part of my usage was BT connectivity to MyPhoneExplorer. Remember that P-series could never connect to MPE? As K750i moved to K800i and K850i Cybershot and 
phones began to leave the P-series behind even though the price remained staggeringly high. The P990 generated so many complaints on Esato any smart buyer would have steered clear of it. All this time 3G technology was in it's infancy, data plans were pricey and sales of these high priced, specialist phones were too small to make networks take notice, so they were targeted at business executives and IT guru's who mostly used them as digital calendars and diaries. Apps were basic and had to be sought out from a number of different websites. Touchscreens were resistive and required a stylus which always got lost.
So along comes Apple with a capacitive touchscreen which doesn't need a stylus, an App Store where thousands of high quality Apps can be easily found and downloaded, a beautiful styled thin device with a tough glass screen, a price starting a NZ$979 unsubsidised or NZ$699 in a NZ$40 monthly 2yr plan including 250MB (which is where I signed up) and you can see why premium phone buyers all over the world have discarded their feature phones and so-called smartphones of yesteryear for the iPhone. Smart is now about being connected to social media, email, aGPS and always having 'an App for that' such as dedicated news website apps. Android and iOS provide the features that have made the general public and network providers sit up and take notice. In NZ we have new 'revolutionary' plans including 3GB data and 1000 MMS (as well as calls and txts) for as little as NZ$40 per month which wouldn't have happened unless prompted by the iPhone.
I'm happy you have a phone you like, but saying that all was right with the mobile world during Symbian's reign and what's the big deal over iOS and Android (paraphrased) is simply burying your head in the sand. Prior to iOS, even app developers were unhappy with the way Symbian was going. App creation is now booming and Symbian is largely left behind.
Posted by Bonovox
@carkitter remember the k700i the battery lasted half a day
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Id rather deal with SE's glacial pace and have a stable phone with plenty great quality apps, games and modds, than deal with half baked symbians and Nokia's bloatware and mostly poor quality software, Ovi Maps, Gravity and SPB Mobile Shell being the exceptions.
Posted by carkitter
On 2010-09-25 00:05:57, Bonovox wrote:
@carkitter remember the k700i the battery lasted half a day
Mine lasted longer than that, but you're right - the drain from constant use of the 262K colour screen was too much for the battery back then. A firmware update improved the battery life though.
Posted by bart
Symbian is something that evolves. if SE, motorola and nokia would've pushed hard, it would've been symbian^5 by now. things evolve, and so does source code, so the developers might've pushed the symbian foundation to make a next symbian platform totally diffirent, but keeping the good things about the previous versions.
the guy who developed the K700 was plain stupid, if the T610/630 had a battery of xxx mAh then why would you put a battery with less mAh in a new phone that uses even more power?
Posted by AbuBasim
The second time SE is dropping Symbian. First out was their own UIQ which was also based on the Symbian OS.
Posted by Bonovox
I must say though seeing Symbian 3 from the N8 videos on You Tube it looks a whole lot more fluid
Posted by etaab
@ carkitter - i agree with you slightly, if it wasnt for Apple or Android coming along smartphones probably would be more boring now and app creation wouldnt have taken off like it has..
BUT - bart is right. You buy an Android or iPhone, or even a Samsung Wave running Bada and the things you grow accustomed to with a mature OS simply arent there. The menus and way in which Android and Apple approach multitasking are missing important aspects. Such things i take for granted with Symbian are not always possible with an Android or Apple handset.
Its sad but possibly true that smartphones arent so smart as they used to be and that instead of the once powerful technology behind them making them shine, its how many apps each platform has. For me thats not how i class a better smartphone. Apple have proven an app can be made for almost anything, in doing so thousands of idiots have created useless pieces of software of little purpose or value to the platform. So does that make Apple (and Android) better phones overall ? we all like choice, but no i dont think it does at all.
I check out all phones on the market when im about to buy, yet still not a single Android phone or the iPhone 4 can win my custom when i see phones like the Nokia N8. Its just the best all round package.
Posted by Rookwise
My first encounter with Symbian was with the P900. Really hated it. Partly due to the fact that out of the 18 months i owned it. The phone spent 12 months back with SE and was still returned with the same problems. By this time I'd bought an S700 (1 month before general sale. First Esato member to own one) so it hardly saw any use and eventually sold it. After this i was tempted by the P990 but bought a W850 after reading of it many problems. By this time i was permanently put off symbian and uiq. I eventuall decided to take another look when i saw the p1 and took to uiq straight away and wouldn't have anything else. After the p1 i bought a w960 which i also liked (and still miss) and a g900. Wasnt happy about uiq ending as i didnt like nokia symbian. Wasnt as easy to use as uiq. Took a chance with the satio but as much as i tried i couldn't bring myself to like it. Even bought another p1 at one point.
I think if SE had supported uiq more I'd have stuck with it but have since moved to Android with the x10, mini and mini pro. Not for the apps although i have downloaded a small number. Mainly for some features that i used in uiq that the x10 has and also ease of use.
Posted by bart
sounds so deja vue.
i had every P phone (appart from the P900) and almost every other phone SE launched, but after the P1i i was kind of waiting on something new, K800 was a decent phone, G900 looked boring, tryed some other brands, LG and nokia series 60.
i hoped the series60 would've improved over the years, but it was still abit boring and not as userfriendly.
the SE A200 platform is about the same for me as a series60 phone..
so after a long think, and several other phones, i went back to the P1i.
i'm hoping for nokia to launch a device with symbian^3 which would follow up the E72 but with touchscreen and a good camera. and a decent price tag
i hope nokia's new man doesn't love his old company. i want nokia to push symbian forworth, not meego and W7
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Ive only had Nokia S60 Symbians. Started with a N80, then to a N81, then a 5800, i realy liked them, enjoyed hacking, tweaking and just fooling around in the filesystem, had the 5800 for 5-6months and the touch experience at 1st seemed fine but after having played with a 3GS extensively, i started getting frustrated with s60v5, luckily i had an upgrade in late July and simply couldnt wait to jump on the Android bandwagon with the X10 as my final choice, made the move and glad i did, i was originaly going to wait for the N8, but after watching many preview/review vids and looking at its specs and what i wanted i realised i was wasting my time, S^3 seems to look and work a lot like S60v5, and the lack of interest in Symbian by app and game devs. was just the final straw, one of the main reasons i jumped from my W900 to the N80 instead of W880 was due to the quality of apps, games and great modds in S60, and now that its all gone or lost its "mojo" to Android there was simply no other reason to stick around.
I dont feel like i lost anything at all, if anything i gained a lot:
-fantastic UI that is just so flexible and moddable
-Excellent support in terms of apps, games, and the XDA Modders
-The apps are of great quality and are so well supported, e.g Rockplayer must have recieved like 3updates just this past week, Gmaps is always getting new updates, i think its updated monthly etc...the support is just incredible, even on the gaming side, with Gameloft giving us their best iPhone "HD games", and EA now announcing they will be joining the Android ship.
-Multitasking, WOW, what a pleasure to do on Android, the system handles apps very well, far better than Symbian. Apps are cached if it runs out of RAM, so you can still open them and find them the way they were, none of that "Out of memory,close some apps" crap.
-The notification system is rivald by none, who ever at Google thought of this is a genius, Social networking apps, email apps, messaging apps, any app that performs a download etc...all take advantage of that notification bar, this means apps dont disturb each other, you get a notification at the top that shows a preview of the message/download being finished etc...
-Homescreen/widgets, tons of them, you even have great UI shells like ADW Launcher, Helix, Live etc...all make SPB Shell look like a piece of software thats still in Beta testing. Widgets,some allow adjusting the size and they can be removed on the fly, just tap and hold and drag it down to the bin, easy.
-Modds, from CPU overclocking,to installing 3rd party ROMs etc...its all there.
I just cant move back to symbian after gaining all that in Android, my 5800 is just for music and back-up now but even just dealing with Symbian for a few mins is just frustrating, just feels like a dumbphone, that Symbian web browser is pure crap, you wonder what people are talking about when they call symbian mature
as it feels like its the one that needs to mature.
Posted by Bonovox
Jesus,I was knackered after reading that
Long post like reading a book on the history of smart phones all in one post