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Posted by -PERFECT-
What do you think about chemtrails? Never heard them?
If you look at the sky sometimes you can see something like this:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFITGpXwZk&feature=fvsr

Are we inhaling toxic metals? And for wich reason?
The worst thing is that this is all true and no government speaks about it



Posted by garlic_bread
I have always thought there was something odd about them, as its not standard for a plane to do that.....

Hummmm....

Why????????

Posted by arien617
The difference between the two certainly exists - the science that was explained for the contrails seems accurate.
However, I find it hard to believe NATO are spraying us with deadly pathogens.

Posted by -PERFECT-
I belive that money, in some ways, can move them to do it..


Posted by garlic_bread
mONEY??? PLEASE EXPLAIN

Posted by blerk
*puts on his tin foil hat*

Posted by jcwhite_uk
Its just another conspiricy theory if you ask me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Posted by -PERFECT-
It’s undisclosed the purpose of chemtrails, there are been several parliamentary questions about them, it has been proven from satellite view that these chemtrails become some kinds of clouds and no one contrail can do this.
Someone has analyzed water precipitation after chemtrails and has found alluminium, barium and others toxic metals in very high concentration.
If you look at my second pic (taken on march 2008) you can imagine the altitudine of the chemtrail, it’s very close to the soil. Too much close.
It’s all very strange but true.
I’v said money because everything turn around it.
Some examples are military missions or pharmaceutical industries, they only do their own money interests without worry about human life.


Posted by arien617
There's no doubting that these 'chemtrails' are different to contrails. However, there is a large element of doubt in these trails containing heavy metals and deadly pathogens.

Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2009-06-05 01:11:15, arien617 wrote:
I find it hard to believe NATO are spraying us with deadly pathogens.


This was hard to believe too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

What are they spraying? Perfume? No, they are spraying some harmful sumstances for us, maybe polymers and metals’s particulates that work with HAARP.

Look what become chemtrails’s spray:

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That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s a real fact. In all the skys.


Posted by -PERFECT-
From http://www.scientificamerican[....]y-yes-to-geoengine-2009-07-22:

Pumping sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere to block the sun, brightening clouds with reflective sea salt, or fertilizing the oceans with iron are just some of the way-out schemes some scientists have proposed to fight global warming if all else fails.

This week, the American Meteorological Society issued a final version of its policy statement on geoengineering Earth’s climate system. The organization warns against the potential risks but also endorses research into the feasibility of such efforts, along with their ethical, social and political implications.

“Geoengineering will not substitute for either aggressive mitigation or proactive adaptation, but it could contribute to a comprehensive risk management strategy to slow climate change and alleviate some of its negative impacts,” the statement says.

President Barack Obama’s science advisor, physicist John Holdren, has previously said, “We have to keep geoengineering on the table...because we might get desperate enough to use it.”


From http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GeoEng_Jan2709.pdf:

"So far, launching reflective materials into the upper stratosphere seems to be the easiest and most cost-effective option. This could be accomplished by using high-flying AIRCRAFT, naval guns, or giant balloons. The appropriate materials could include SULFATE AEROSOLS (which would be created by releasing sulfur dioxide gas), ALUMINUM OXIDE DUST, or even SELF-LEVITATING and SELF-ORIENTING designer particles engineered to migrate to the Polar Regions and remain in place for LONG PERIODS".


Posted by Bonovox
And to think when i was little i used to sit watching them trails in the sky and watch them slowly vanish as long after the plane had passed. Why does it take so long for it to vanish?

Posted by -PERFECT-
Normal condensation trails can be visible for max. 20 - 25 seconds, and they have a short tail.
Chemtrails last for a long period because they must “do the job”, a dirty job.


Posted by jcwhite_uk
I watched a plane go over head yesterday that let a con-trail behind it. The contrail as there for at least 10 minutes not 20-25 seconds.
A bit of info on contrails:
Contrails have been the object of scientific study for some time and are known to "seed the growth of cirrus clouds that can grow to enormous size." Contrails "appear to increase global temperatures by trapping in reradiated heat" (Sheaffer, who cites a ten-year study by the French climatologist Olivier Boucher published in Nature 397:30, 7 January 1999). "Depending on a plane's altitude, and the temperature and humidity of the atmosphere, contrails can vary enormously in their thickness and duration, and therefore in their reflecting or insulating power. Most last minutes or hours, some last days" (Clarke). "Fluffy rows of cirrus clouds created by the increasing number of jet contrails can sometimes fill half the sky" (Kotulak). PCTs deny the scientific evidence and maintain that contrails do not turn into puffy clouds.

Patrick Minnis, a senior research scientist at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, studied satellite images of contrail clouds of military craft during the three days airports were shut down in the U.S. after the 9/11 attacks. On a typical day, an estimated 13,000 planes crisscross the nation's skies. They create so many contrails that cross each other's paths that the satellite images are just a blur. Minnis found that the cirrus clouds formed from these contrails lasted an average of six to eight hours and that six to eight contrails can grow to form a cloud cover the size of Massachusetts (Kotulak).
[ This Message was edited by: jcwhite_uk on 2009-07-27 11:26 ]


Posted by -PERFECT-
I believe what i can see, from my experience no one contrail can last over 30 sec .(maybe i’m wrong, let’s say 1 minute).
What you have seen was a chemtrails, not a contrail. There are differente kind of chemtrails, more or less persistent, it depends all from the substances sprayed. If you can next time take one pic to show us.


On 2009-07-27 12:20:51, jcwhite_uk wrote:
"Depending on a plane's altitude, and the temperature and humidity of the atmosphere... Most last minutes or hours, some last days"


It’s simply impossible.
What we can see in the sky are mainly the chemtrails. As you can see in my posted pics.
And it’s very clear that they want hide them to our eyes, give a look at what Wikipedia says about chem/contrails, lot of bulls*it.
For example here a chemtrail from Google Earth, look how much it last:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqbAvcgeWc&feature=related


Posted by jcwhite_uk
It is very rare to see a contrail disperse in 20 to 30 seconds they normally last for minutes. Using your logic 99% of aircraft are part of a conspiricy to poison us all. Either I am over sceptical or you are over paranoid.
I am not disputing that there is such a thing as a Chemtrail but am just saying that I dont beleive they are as widespread as you appear to make out.
[ This Message was edited by: jcwhite_uk on 2009-07-27 16:54 ]


Posted by -PERFECT-
Probably your skyes are different but in all the world people can see the chemtrails.
I’m not saying “look...a cow that fly!”, i’m showing what happen with facts.
You say that chemtrails exist, wich one are chemtrails for you? And what are they for you? You havent said it.
It’s rare for you that a contrail disperse in 30 seconds, so tell me what you think about this pic looking at the short trail:

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In how many time it disperse? 10 minutes? 5 minutes? No, 25 - 30 seconds. That’s a normal contrail.

Are they not as widespread? I haven’t to convince you for it, but a lot of persons think it.
I dont like to be paranoid, i like to “understand” what i see in the right way.
After all we can assume the same thing in opposite mode, one thinking “Calm,it’s all normal” and one “very strange..is it dangerous for my health?”. I like a lot to ask questions to myself.


Posted by alfrido15
Are this chemtrails make a dongeuruse for my health or no?

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Posted by Cycovision

On 2009-07-27 17:02:57, -PERFECT- wrote:
I believe what i can see, from my experience no one contrail can last over 30 sec .(maybe i’m wrong, let’s say 1 minute).
What you have seen was a chemtrails, not a contrail. There are differente kind of chemtrails, more or less persistent, it depends all from the substances sprayed. If you can next time take one pic to show us.


On 2009-07-27 12:20:51, jcwhite_uk wrote:
"Depending on a plane's altitude, and the temperature and humidity of the atmosphere... Most last minutes or hours, some last days"


It’s simply impossible.
What we can see in the sky are mainly the chemtrails. As you can see in my posted pics.
And it’s very clear that they want hide them to our eyes, give a look at what Wikipedia says about chem/contrails, lot of bulls*it.
For example here a chemtrail from Google Earth, look how much it last:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqbAvcgeWc&feature=related




Why would a so-called 'chemtrail' last longer than an ordinary contrail? Don't answer that please, save your keyboard.

This is absolute rubbish, I've never read so much nonsense in my life!

Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2009-07-27 19:27:11, alfrido15 wrote:
Are this chemtrails make a dongeuruse for my health or no?


Yes, but we don’t know how much exactly.
They surely affect the air’s quality that we breathe.


On 2009-07-27 20:58:19, Cycovision wrote:
Why would a so-called 'chemtrail' last longer than an ordinary contrail?


Ever tried to understand it? Clearly not.


On 2009-07-27 20:58:19, Cycovision wrote:
This is absolute rubbish, I've never read so much nonsense in my life!


Look at your post above



Posted by Cycovision
Erm, yes, I have tried to understand it. I've read lots of information on the subject from many different sources as it happens.

So going back to my original question; what exactly is your (not wikipedia's) opinion as to why chemtrails last longer than contrails? And what evidence would you put forward to support it?

Posted by julias
Personally my opinion is that there isn't any conspiracy here but what do i know i really have no clue about this its the first time i've even heard of this phenomena

Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2009-07-27 21:28:06, Cycovision wrote:
I have tried to understand it. I've read lots of information on the subject from many different sources as it happens.


And you are always at the same point?


On 2009-07-27 21:28:06, Cycovision wrote:
what evidence would you put forward to support it?


Evidence?

Look my fourth post and look this:

100% crop of the above pic - contrail

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100% crop of the above pic - CHEMTRAIL

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Probably we are different and you can’t see any evidence.

@julias, that’s a real phenomena, judge yourself and search your “proofs“. The posted photos was taken by me, not from others.



Posted by -PERFECT-
Chemtrails in Belgium

FORMER MAYOR: CRUSADE AGAINST WHITE LINES (CHEMTRAILS)

Former mayor of Evergem (Belgium) files complaint against toxic emissions of airplanes.

“We are massively being poisoned and brainwashed” Former mayor Peter Vereecke (53) of Evergem wants the justice department and the city council to act against planes that are according to him spraying day and night disease causing germs and chemicals all over the world. ”Rest assured I am not insane”

“Don’t confuse this with contrails”, said Vereecke. “Those are harmless condensation trails that are only visible for a few seconds. On the other hand chemtrails are clouds of chemicals and disease causing germs that are deliberately sprayed on us to manipulate our behaviour. De councilmen and – women were stunned and listened to his every word. At last some other subject than a loose tile or a backed-up sewage pipe.

“I hope that the city council mobilizes all possible government ministries to fight this mental and physical attack. I have already filed two complaints with the local police, but they don’t to anything with it”, said Vereecke. Could it be that they had a good laugh with it?

The internet is full of conspiracy theories about chemtrails: the spray planes that are supposedly being used to conduct massive sterilisations in populated areas, for large vaccination campaigns and genetic manipulation of humans and plants, for the spread of epidemics, for the subjugation of populations, to manipulate weather and to combat climate change. Or a combination of the above.

“I find the theories all very interesting but I don’t choose a side” says alarmist Vereecke. "I’m only saying that the chemtrails have provable effects on our health en that they are being conducted by hidden power structures behind the veil of the official political world. Don’t make any illusions: what we see are merely puppets. Even Barack Obama is a puppet. De real powers are hidden under the lee."

Can you be more specific? Who are the people that are really pulling the strings?
Peter Vereecke: “Those are the co-called Illuminati, the enlightened ones. They are members of secret societies like the Bilderberg group, but are also active in business and global organisations like the United Nations and NATO. It’s not about one certain group but about a type of person with a certain DNA that is common in higher levels of power: people that do not care about the value of human life and are obsessed with power, money and control.

Names, give us a few names.

“Take Al Gore for example. He is member of the illuminati. His message about global warming only has one purpose: money. Because worldwide we will have to pay for the coming measures. That will result in higher taxes and higher food prices and environmental measures in business. That will result in a massive cash-flow. Meanwhile it is confirmed that human activity only accounts for 3% of the global warming.”

But what does Al Gore have to do with chemtrails?

“My point is this: all global processes revolve around money, power and control. De brains behind the chemtrails are at the top level of the pharmaceutical and chemical industries. 100 years ago for example, 1% of people got cancer. Today that number is one in three. Dat is very convenient for some people. The cancer cure industry is a billion dollar business. Just like the treatment of so many other diseases that are skyrocketing in the last 10-15 years. Alzheimer, Parkinson, autism, ADHD, asthma, diabetes, allergies,…we have never been so sick as now. Our physical, emotional and intellectual health is being systematically undermined. How do you explain that?”

Chemtrails?

“Voilà. They certainly play a role in this because the spray planes are being used more intensively the last few years. You can observe the phenomenon in our country at least 10 days per month. Why don’t you see these chemtrails above the Sahara of the Amazon? Spraying chemicals over there would be useless as there are no people living there. Our whole environment is chemicalized: our food, healthcare, everything is based on chemistry.”

No one takes action…

“Because our thinking processes are being conditioned. Look at the eyes of the people in the street, they are medicated and walk around like zombies. A dull look without "joie de vivre" and without an outlook on life. Hence my crusade: people wake up, open you eyes, act before it is too late…”

“I will call the current mayor to hear what he is going to do with my message. I want him to make clear to the higher bodies that people are concerned. The Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of the Interior, the Department of Health, the Ministry of the Environment… they need to be told about these concerns and our outrage. I don’t want this to be covered up.

I can imagine people calling you insane: “Mister Vereecke has seen the light”

“Not to my face. And probably also not behind my back because I have solid curriculum and a strong image. Most people remember me as philologist, mayor and business man. Not as a dreamer or crazy person but as a sober, critical and level-headed person that is looking for answers.

Just to confirm: you are not being treated psychologically at the moment.

(laughs hard) “No I feel mentally and physically fit. But I must admit if I were currently in the city council and someone would start talking about white lines in the sky, I would ask if that person Peter Vereecke is all there.


From: http://chellow.blogspot.com/2[....]yor-crusade-against-white.html
http://www.infowars.com/forme[....]r-crusades-against-chemtrails/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/176[....]repen-De-Gentenaar-26-Jul-2009
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Posted by julias
This is real isn't it i am begining to believe this now this is what you can call a "REAL" conspiracy theory


Posted by 198747
CHEMTRAIL what s that suppose to mean

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Posted by -PERFECT-
Newscast's Chemtrail Investigation Reveals Dangerous Aerosolized Compounds

Lab Results and Radar Displays Fit with Declassified Accounts of Bio-Chemical Military Testing and Covert Spraying of Civilian Populations

Local news station KSLA in Shreveport, Louisiana investigated a strange substance found by a man from the Arkansas-Lousiana-Texas border, which the man collected on the ground from a chemtrail overhead. He noticed the crisscrossed cloud-like lines in the sky as well as the unusual residue it left behind on vehicles after descending in a "haze."
KSLA's Jeff Ferrell noted that these chemtrails "do not fade away like a normal contrail."
KSLA ran the substances through a lab and found high levels of Barium (6.8 ppm) and Lead (8.2 ppm) as well as trace amounts of other chemicals including arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium and silver. Of these, all but one are metals, some are toxic while several are rarely or never found in nature.

The newscast focuses on Barium, which its research shows is a "hallmark of chemtrails." KSLA found Barium levels in its samples at 6.8 ppm or "more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA." The Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality confirmed that the high levels of Barium were "very unusual," but commented that "proving the source was a whole other matter" in its discussion with KSLA.

KSLA also asked Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, about the effects of Barium on the human body. Ryan commented that "short term exposure can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains and that long term exposure causes blood pressure problems ." The Poison Control Center further reported that long-term exposure, as with any harmful substance, would contribute to weakening the immune system, which many speculate is the purpose of such man-made chemical trails.

Wikipedia warns about Barium's highly reactive nature and potential harm to health:

Barium is a soft silvery metallic alkaline earth metal... never found in nature in its pure form due to its reactivity with air. It is also highly reactive with water or alcohol, producing hydrogen gas.

Its various compounds have a number of industrial uses including x-ray imaging, rat poison, battery technology, lighting and electricity.
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All water or acid soluble barium compounds are extremely poisonous . At low doses, barium acts as a muscle stimulant, while higher doses affect the nervous system , causing cardiac irregularities, tremors, weakness, anxiety, dyspnea and paralysis.

Unlike other heavy metals, barium does not bioaccumulate.[1] However, inhaled dust containing barium compounds can accumulate in the lungs, causing a benign condition called baritosis .

Barium acetate could lead to death in high doses . Marie Robards poisoned her father with the substance in Texas in 1993. She was tried and convicted in 1996.

KSLA also put aerosolized-chemical testing in its historical context, citing a voluminous number of unclassified tests exposed in 1977 Senate hearings. The tests included experimenting with biochemical compounds on the public. KSLA reports that "239 populated areas were contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969."

On screen representations included 'Operation bacterium', '1949 germ bombs' (explosive munitions tests with pathogens), '1950 "first" open-air tests' with biological agents (coast of Norfolk, VA) and the '1950 spraying of San Francisco' (the first large-scale aerosol test using Bacillus globigii (also known as Bacillus subtilis) and Serratia marcescens, both similar to B. anthracis (a causative agent of anthrax). These examples were only the beginning of a long chronological list.

While B. subtilis is not, for example, considered a human pathogen (according to Wikipedia), it has "proven highly amenable to genetic manipulation, and has therefore become widely adopted as a model organism for laboratory studies." Thus, it was utilized as a "biowarfare stimulant" during Project SHAD, a series of chemical and biological warfare tests carried out by the DoD in the 1960s now only partially declassified.

Furthermore, a 1994 report issued by Senator John D. Rockefeller exposed the fact "hundreds of thousands of military personnel were subjected to secret biological experiments over the last 60 years." The tests involved mustard gas, nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens and drugs used during the Gulf War.

Even more shocking, KSLA reports that secret biochemical experimentation was allowed by law"until nine years ago", but is still permitted in at least in some instances. See:

PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies." "The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]." -SOURCE- Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79. Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375.

KSLA's probing report left open the question of whether biochemical testing was currently underway, but raised a number of disturbing parallels and reason for suspicion.

Another mainstream report in Germany highlights contemporary activities by military aircraft involving chemtrails. Meteorologist Karsten Brandt has correlated patterns of heavy artificial cloud-cover with the areas of known military jet exercises in Germany during 2005 and 2006. For Brandt, the pattern clearly indicates the manipulation of meteorological maps and strongly suggests weather modification programs, used possibly in conjunction with disguising aircraft in radar systems, among other potential implications and applications.

Still another report in Los Angeles by NBC 4 reported on a "sticky yellow slime" left behind from chemtrails in parts of California, which is possibly connected with a rise in respiratory illness, nosebleeds and eye infections-- though this is denied by official sources, including the local air force unit.

However, Rosalind Peterson of California Skywatch, who NBC 4 interviewed, claims to have test results that support a sharp spike in barium oxide and aluminum since the early 1990s, including in the water supply. For NBC 4, it is a case of geoengineering-- putting a cloud of aerosolized dust supposedly meant to combat global warming by reflecting harmful radiation back into space-- in other words, seeming to confirm the use of some form of chemtrails.

While the report remains skeptical, it does concede the application of weather modification. Official sources, however, deny the existence of chemtrails, claiming that locals are seeing long-lasting contrails-- and nothing more.


From: http://www.jonesreport.com/article/01_08/080108_chemtrails.html


Posted by -PERFECT-
TIME Article Pushes Geo-engineering Agenda

Tuesday, August 18, 2009

A new article in TIME magazine suggests that geo-engineering the planet may be the only way forward to prevent the climate “collapsing”.

Bryan Walsh’s article, entitled Can Geoengineering Help Slow Global Warming?suggests that through the use of fossil fuels we are “already geoengineers” and that “we might as well get good at it.”

“If we geoengineered the earth into a mess with our uncontrolled appetite for fossil fuels, maybe we have to geoengineer our way out of it” Walsh writes, citing a new paper by the think tank Copenhagen Consensus on Climate.

In the paper, co-author Lee Lane cites all the usual suggestions of how the planet could be cooled including space mirrors, seawater-mist and man-made volcanoes.

The most prominent form of geoengineering suggested in the paper, however, comes in the form of spraying sulfur into the air.

“One way to turn down the thermostat would be to spread sulfur particles into the atmosphere, either through artillery or with airplanes, thickening the air enough so that it would bounce some sunlight back …it would need to be done continuously, to keep up with the intensifying greenhouse effect.” the article explains.

As we previously highlighted when this issue last hit the headlines, the process described here is already being conducted by government-affiliated universities, government agencies, and on a mass scale through chemtrail spraying.

The study of past and ongoing upper atmosphere aerosol programs confirms that the government has been active in this field for years.

The topic of geoengineering came to the fore back in April when Obama’s science czar John Holdren commented in an AP interview that he was pushing for radical terra forming programs to be explored.

Holdren’s suggestions for planetary geoengineering exactly mirrored those in publications penned by the elite internationalist group The Council On Foreign Relations, who also called for the implementation of a global Carbon Tax in 1999.

The Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy then back pedaled 360 degrees on his own comments when the wider media picked up on them and turned them into major headlines.

Holdren’s interest in radical geoengineering programs should be of great concern to the American people and the rest of the world given that he has also advocated extreme population control techniques including forced abortions and mass sterilization all under the oversight of a “Planetary Regime”.

Impossible, you say? That must be an exaggeration or a hoax. If you don’t believe it you can read it for yourself in Holdren’s own book Ecoscience, co-authored in 1977. Excerpts of the book can also be found in another of our previous articles on Holdren here.

Interestingly, Lee Lane, the author of the new geoengineering paper, is also a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a common hangout for neoconservatives such as John Bolton, David Frum, Irving Kristol, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and John Yoo.

The AEI is renowned for casting doubt on the theory of human caused global warming, and is heavily funded by energy companies, but it is also best known as a forum to engender business opportunities.

These tentative announcements and recycling of ideas to terra form the planet constitute a first step toward introducing the idea to the wider public.

One of the accepted truisms of scientific study is the fact that if scientists are proposing an idea, then those scientists with access to the bottomless pit of black-budget secret government funding are already doing it.

It is highly likely that sulfur spraying and chemtrails are merely one manifestation of “geo-engineering” that is taking place without proper debate, notification or any form of legality, and with a callous disregard for the potential dangers to both our health and our environment.


Sorce: http://www.infowars.com/time-[....]pushes-geo-engineering-agenda/



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Uh uhh…what conspiracy theory!


Posted by Raiderski
hmm...

I live in a big city. every day I am attacked by the terrible noise, my lungs and heart are being burdened with huge amounts of the exhaust fumes which I must to breathing in, I can't forget about smoldering chimneys of industrial plants. I also know that my body is being bombed with electromagnetic waves, I must wear clothes and use tools "made in China" and I suppose it's better for me to don't know what kind of chemicals were used in their production. most probably harmful and carcinogenic. best at the end - food and drinks... you think they are healthy and without chemistry? I don't understand half of the list of ingredients! do you know that it is possible to produce the sausage in which there's neither a gram of meat? I'm not kidding

for a few years I hear that something will kill me - Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, bird flu, swine flu. I will die if will not eat vitamins, antibiotics. without milk my body will be defective, etc. and now new position appeared - 'chemtrails', ohh great!

I'm wondering... why I'm still alive?

cheers!

Posted by -PERFECT-
He he… you are right, lots of dangers near or far to our houses, we have always realized them. But now they poison us above our houses and all other places, they can put on our tables food with some nanoparticles that we’ll eat, or bombard us with ELF waves. And most of people don’t know.it.
But it’s way better to realize their strategies, maybe there would be some solutions for us. Better solutions than act like “sheeps”.
Why are you still alive?Because they want to “kill” you/us slowly.
They want that you don’t realize it, until it’s too much late.
One thing you can realize now: your/our coffin is already prepared.
Ah…obviously an economic and plastic one!
Do you like it?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1527162/your_coffin_has_arrived/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqjykY5wPk&feature=related


Posted by Raiderski
no, I don't like it, I guess they are made in China from ultra carcinogenic plastic happily I live far away from US & A. at first I thought they are too big to be a coffins but then I realized that in fact they are too small! how do you want to put typical US & A citizen into such a small box? come on! this country is kingdom of hamburgers, trashy fastfoods and GMO food! the magic land where small Cola/Pepsi is 1.5L and Marlboro Man was/is great style of life

I could stop here but... if chemtrails are fact then I'm starting to believe that people in government/military (delete as appropriate) are bunch of morons. seriously, they spend money on planes, fuel, chemicals and Chinese plastic coffins to poison people which are sufficiently effective killing themselves with own-very-unhealthy-lifestyle

I see such trails above Poland. do I believe? no, I am individualist entirely torn away from any kind of mass speculations, however I have full respect to other people opinions and I like to hear/read every one


Posted by -PERFECT-
They are too big because they must hold 3 bodies at once.
Yes, goverment or military are bunch of morons, they use your/our tax to make it.
In this document http://italy.usembassy.gov/vi[....]/file2003_06/alia/A3061701.htm you can clearly read:

“Joint efforts are advancing our understanding of the effects of aerosols on cloud properties and climate forcing and improving our ability to simulate and predict climate variability from the global to the regional scale.”

They want the climatic control, and something else.
All governments make a joint decision to do this without your/our consent.
In the same way they make advertising for H1N1.
So, if i’m not wrong, you “believe” in swine flu lie but not on chemtrails?
Chentrails that you can see in Poland what do they mean for you?
Lot of people didn’t believe in this too: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience
With all respect: guys, open your eyes!!!


Posted by Raiderski
swine flu is mass hysteria sponsored by TV, radio and pharmaceutical giants, nevermind. I have opened eyes and I don't see anything except of ridiculous theory talking about very secret plan of annihilation - me, my family and neighbors. major question is: why and what for?

there are only two certain things in life of every man: taxes and death. please explain to me why "these" guys from all governments around the whole world prefer our death instead of our taxes? nonsense

from military point of view such technology is very useful. planes, aeorosol, trails - ok, but chemicals, disease, death - good at war not in peacetime

Posted by -PERFECT-
About swine flu we can say that there are BIG money interest of pharmaceutical giants, you are right, so they sell a lot of vaccines that can lead people to death. Do they worry about us for this? No.
Abot chemtrails, first of all they are real in front of our eyes in all the world, several documents and statements prove them.
Do you think they spray aerosol in the air to make better your health? Probably you think like me“IMPOSSIBLE“. Obviously.
Fist purpose is to control the weather.
Do you know that H.A.A.R.P. can create clouds (or earthquake) on command? It can modify the ionosphere, causing what they want.
Chemtrails work with H.A.A.R.P.
Elements like barium, alluminium, lead, sulphur form chemtrails compund. Can those elements make worse your health breathing them? Yes. Again, do they worry about this? No.
I haven’t all answers, but there are other intersts with chemtrails.
Secret experiment like the link that i have posted above? Maybe.
Depopulation because we are too much and we’ll be 9 billions in 2050? Maybe.
Remember: what we think to see is not what it is in the reality. It’s what they want we see. Like swine flu. Or like what you can call peacetime.
And be sure: all tax we pay get used for this.


Posted by -PERFECT-
Fresh news:

MOSCOW, October 23 (RIA Novosti) - Russian scientists are set to clear up autumn clouds above Moscow using an air ionizer on Friday, said professor Dmitry Rototayev, chief of the Moscow Science and Technology Committee.
The experiment would take place in the downtown Moscow street of Arbat. Scientists will target the clouds with a stream of ions using a device, similar to an air ionizer invented by a Soviet scientist, Alexander Chizhevsky. The stream of ions is expected to lift clouds to upper layers of the atmosphere, where they would disperse due to a temperature change.
Scientists expect the sky to clear up on the area of about five square km (2 square miles) in two or three hours after the experiment.
"I'm not sure if the sun will be visible, but we hope to get blue skies at the very least," Rototayev said.
Other scientists have been skeptical about the experiment, mainly about the power output of the device, which is equal to that of an electric kettle.
"Weather phenomena in the atmosphere, [such as] turbulence, cyclones and anticyclones, are extremely powerful... I wonder how a small device can influence it?" said Lyudmila Krasnokutskaya of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
"What can two kilowatts do to winds, clouds, million tons of water, powerful air currents in the atmosphere? It is unreal simply due to energy factors," said Viktor Savrin, deputy chief of the Research Institute for Nuclear Physics at Moscow State University.
Other scientists say that the impact on weather of much more powerful air ionizers, such as high voltage power lines, has so far been registered.
"In Moscow, in any district of the Moscow Regions there is a plenty of high voltage equipment, which ionize air more effectively than any special device. In this respect, an idea to develop such an ionizer looks quite disputable," a source at the Chair of Physics of Athmosphere of the Moscow State University's Faculty of Physics told RIA Novosti on the condition of anonymity.
He said, however, that air ionization does have an impact on precipitation, but the device should be much more powerful.
"Ion particles serve as nuclei of condensation, which attract molecules of water... In other words, it [air moisture] become condensed more effectively and falls down faster," the source said.

Source: http://en.rian.ru/science/20091023/156562804.html


Is this weather control? What surprise!
Can you imagine how much the technology has progressed?
Can you imagine who’s controlling pharmaceutical groups, military groups, banking groups, energy groups?
Each own person in charge?
No…


Posted by -PERFECT-
Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected

Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.
The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.
It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.
The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.
Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.
Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.
Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.
On 30th October President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Ministry of Defense to establish mobile military hospitals throughout Ukraine, to assist and provide “essential medications” to people with swine-flu. Yushchenko has also ordered medical personnel from the reserve defense forces to report for duty.
An order from President Yushchenko is expected soon that will effectively place Ukraine under “martial law”.
“Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”
Nine regions of Ukraine have declared a quarantine around the country and public events have been banned (including the elections).The Clergy have been ordered not to hold any Church or religious services on Sundays or to gather a congregation for any reason whatsoever. Police are also enforcing the compulsory wearing of protective face masks, any driver caught not wearing a mask faces harsh legal penalties.
Earlier, health authorities in western Ukraine reported a “severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia”. The disease has already claimed a number of lives in the region. In Lviv, schools have been closed and authorities are conducting emergency meetings to determine how to deal with the outbreak.

Source: http://www.theflucase.com/ind[....]ighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en


Beijing gets first snow after meteorologists seed clouds

BEIJING: Beijingers woke up Sunday morning to a city turned white with snow that came far ahead of the winter. It was only in the later part of
the day that one learnt that 186 doses of silver iodide went into persuading the clouds to release snow flakes.
The metrological department said it had started seeding the clouds from 8pm in Saturday to beat down lingering drought in and around Beijing. The department claimed success in producing 16 million tones of snow for the city.
"We wont miss any opportunity of artificial precipitation since Beijing is suffering from the lingering drought," said Zhang Qiang, who is in charge of the Beijing metrological office, said in a statement.
The snow kept falling till mid-afternoon pushing down temperatures to minus 2 Celsius (29 Fahrenheit). Strong winds from the north made aggravated the chill.
Beijing Evening News said it was the earliest case of snow to hit the capital in 10 years, Snow also fell in the northeastern provinces of Liaoning and Jilin, the northern province of Hebei, the eastern port city of Tianjin.
China’s meteorologists routinely make rain by injecting special chemicals into clouds. But they have so far not been able to suppress the spread of drought in the northern part of the country this year. Ap
Those white streaks across our US sky's that we see are the same cloud seeding. The US does this Here also. It is nothing new and has been going on for years. Its just that Americans dont care or want to ask questions about it. Look into Chemtrails and you will learn something.

Source: http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/133853.html


“Its just that Americans (people) dont care or want to ask questions about it” …here the SHEEPS!


Posted by Raiderski
sorry but informations spreaded in media about Ukraine are mostly BS. epidemic - that's true but check in how many regions, besides is this really strange for anyone? flu epidemic is NORMAL thing and cyclically repeats in new variants since many years. second, this isn't epidemic of swine flu! they have at least 2 variants of flu, guess how many people died and how many of them died because of swine flu, I mean official reports. now, most important - how many persons is/was infected and how many died?

biggest lie is "UNIDENTIFIED Influenza" - they want to make us to believe that something new and very danger attacked Ukrainian people! of course for them it's "UNIDENTIFIED" because those morons (health authorities in western Ukraine) have not even a single professional laboratory for examining composition! in Poland we have them and we are helping Ukrainians to change "UNIDENTIFIED" into IDENTIFIED. I'm just shocked how pathetic media transmissions are

"... aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities ..."
DEAR GOD! (I don't believe in him but it's nice mental shortcut)
aerosols of what? paracetamol? holy water? they even don't have enough protective face masks and basic medicines! of course their government isn't thinking about such things because for them important is only one thing: how to kick the political opponent in the rear end...


current official reports from Ukraine:
255516 - people infected
15810 - all (is/was) in hospitals
67 - died, but...
22 - died because of swine flu
[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2009-11-02 20:41 ]


Posted by tomjsmith000
Maybe their just vapour trails from the aviation fuel used in planes. Just like what comes out the exhaust pipe of a car.

Maybe they stay because there's more consistant wind up there (as in the whole thing will move so will not bend or distort). Remember that clouds consist of.. hmm... vapour!



Posted by Raiderski
other question... plane sprayed aerosol and I can see nice, long "cloud", 30 minutes later this "cloud" is still in place where it was 30 minutes earlier... errr... shouldn't this fall down and kill me? or maybe it's remote control "cloud"?

Posted by -PERFECT-

On 2009-11-02 21:29:13, Raiderski wrote:
aerosols of what?


Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.
Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.
Sources tell us that Bar-Joseph Moshe made no threat against the President or the White House. He did not mention any bomb or attack. He then proceeded to inform the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he noticed men in suits in front of his house and feared that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings into his car and, him being a dual Israeli citizen, tried to reach the Israeli consulate located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. The FBI and the bomb squad prevented him from reaching it. Who is this man? His profile on biomedexperts.com says he is a plant disease expert with many publications on his name involving the genetic manipulation of virii. Photographic evidence that Moshe is who he says he is can be found here.
Joseph Moshe was soon after his arrest sent or let go to Israel. Nothing has been heard from him since. The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain or arrest him. Mounted on top of a large black vehicle used in his arrest was a microwave weapon that possibly damaged the electronics in Moshe’s car as well as any communication devices he had which might have been used to contact the media or others who could help him.
Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training. Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest.
Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.
Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries. Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, #HYPERLINK
"http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:53103::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:10001,76322"which all died in days. The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted. This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three. Baxter admitted a “mistake”. Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed. It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.
Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.
Where’s the meat? Well – Baxter is now being sued for the deliberate, repeated contamination of vaccines with biological weapons designed – by them – to mass-murder people. Here is the complaint (PDF). By some kook nutcase? Not likely – Jane Burgermeister is an experienced, respected journalist. She is not the only one suing Baxter for planning and executing a plan for global genocide: Others are filing complaints as well. Read a well-researched complaint here (PDF).
Qui bono? We think it may be profit-motivated or even sheer incompetence, but for the conspiracy-minded: The latter complaint alludes to intentional “culling of the herd”. Have you heard of the Georgia Guidestones? An enormous monument loaded with Masonic symbolism costing millions of dollars, it has been erected by unknown, powerful elites (multimillionaires with the clout to erect monuments wherever they please, obviously) around 30 years ago. It gives an “alternative ten commandments”, of which the first is the extermination of six and a half billion people from the face of the Earth. Half a billion will remain. This is the number of people the planet can sustain indefinitely, so that the descendents of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers can live in peace and affluence indefinitely. Slaves are needed to produce that luxury, but 500 million will do just fine. But how does one go about killing off most of the world?
“Vaccinating” the planet with a bioweapon with near-100% mortality would do the trick. Baxter would provide both the bioweapon as well as the vaccine against it to “civilized” Western peoples. Result: We can plunder Africa, we have no more competition from SE Asia, the oil is for our taking and only Western and perhaps Chinese sheeple remain.
Rockefeller said this in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order.” PNAC said something similar right before 9/11.

Source: http://www.unfictional.com/jo[....]pon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood


On 2009-11-02 21:29:13, Raiderski wrote:
…shouldn't this fall down and kill me?


Needs something else to fall down and “kill” you!
What will need?


Posted by Raiderski
"Epidemic of swine flu or ordinary? Ukrainian authorities themselves do not know"
read more here: http://tinyurl.com/yf6bgjx

nothing unusual is happening on Ukraine. people are afraid because of mass hysteria sponsored by media, government and "authorities"

... they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result

I know this case, 21 people died but key word is "homeless". is this strange that people with weak immune system (malnutrition, alcohol) are dying? not for me and of course it's not fair to kill people to make profits

what else I can say, I don't care about Baxter, deadly aerosols and weird theories. sooner or later I will die (we all will) no matter of what. I have one life, I'm happy fully healthy person and my mind won't be a slave of ridiculous theories and mass hysteria because both aren't real problems in my life and life of most people. they can become in future? maybe yes, maybe not - who cares? important are things which are happening right now, today, tomorrow. thinking about the future is great thing but not in the context of own unnatural death - it's just sick my attitude is "don't believe in everything"

Posted by -PERFECT-
You say:


of course it's not fair to kill people to make profits


But after you claim:


I don't care about Baxter


There’s something wrong in your point!

This time Baxter has tested the vaccine on homeless polish people, if next time they experiment on fully healthy people like you? Without your consent obviously.
Maybe you could answer again “i don’t care”.
Or maybe:


sooner or later I will die no matter of what


And considering you say:


important are things which are happening right now


You haven’t answered to my question yet:


Chentrails that you can see in Poland what do they mean for you?


Remember that they are happening RIGHT NOW…yesterday…tomorrow….


Posted by Raiderski
There’s something wrong in your point!

nothing is wrong it's my private opinion, it doesn't mean that I have to be a suicide bomber in front of Baxter HQ in the name of people used by large corporations. every country have departments responsible for prosecuting this type of accidents, let them carry out their duties. it's not my job

This time Baxter has tested the vaccine on homeless polish people, if next time they experiment on fully healthy people like you? Without your consent obviously.

as I wrote earlier it's not my job to prevent such situations. I can take care of myself as I can, however I pay taxes and requires from my country and government to protect me against "big, fat and dirty hands". can I fully trust my government? no, I guess, but lack of trust cannot be fully and obsessive

sooner or later I will die no matter of what


And considering you say:

important are things which are happening right now


add these two sentences and you have one: life is too short to worry about things which are in science-fiction stage

Chentrails that you can see in Poland what do they mean for you?

nothing, plane trails and nothing else

Remember that they are happening RIGHT NOW…yesterday…tomorrow….

every day I have to eat chemicals in food and drinks, every day I have to wear clothes with chemicals, every day I have to inhale chemicals. it's hard to accept this facts but it's nothing else as the cost of living in the civilized and industrialised society. whole society won't change itself because some people are feeling discomfort

Posted by -PERFECT-

every country have departments responsible for prosecuting this type of accidents


Do you believe they worry about you or about their money?


I pay taxes and requires from my country and government to protect me


In fact they allow the opposite, with your taxes. But it’s hard for you to see the facts.


life is too short to worry about things which are in science-fiction stage


You don’t know but you are one of the protagonist of this science-fiction.


Chentrails that you can see in Poland what do they mean for you?



nothing, plane trails and nothing else


A foreseen answer looking above, that clearly explains that you believe to be in a big, “clean” and “good” world that will “protect” you.
Free to believe in dream-fiction


Someone else think different…


The DAILY MAIL - November 3, 2009

Watching the skies for an H1N1 connection

Former Hensonville teacher among those who believe disease is linked to the ‘chemtrail’ phenomenon

Source: http://www.thedailymail.net/a[....]/doc4aefcb78893f5777991590.txt


Flashback: UK newspaper reports on plan to chip people under swine flu jab pretext in 1989

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The UK newspaper "The Sun" carried a prophetic report on 1. August 1989 with the headline "Big Brother's Coming" outlining secret government plans to implant microchips, also under the pretext of a swine flu pandemic, into every person in order to obtain total control of populations.

The report could have been written today as governments prepare to implement mass "swine flu" vaccinations with an untested and toxic jab and many sources say there will be a nanochip in the syringes to be issued by governments.

Source:http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1572%3Aflashback-uk-newspaper-reports-on-plan-to-chip-people-under-swine-flu-jab-pretext-in-1989&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en


Woman Disabled by Flu Shot Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MIm1mB7GM

WASHINGTON, D.C. - An Ashburn, Virginia woman is in the fight of her life after suffering a very rare side effect to the seasonal flu shot.
The vast majority of doctors say flu shots are safe. In this case, the FDA says they found nothing wrong with this particular batch, but sometimes there are complications.
That's apparently what happened to Desiree Jennings, and now her life will never be the same.
At 26 years old, Desiree Jennings was the picture of health. She's a Washington Redskins cheerleader and an avid runner. Her life changed forever on August 23 when she says she got a seasonal flu shot at a local grocery store.
"I was training for a half marathon then," said Jennings, crying. "It just all went so fast."
Ten days after receiving the shot, she came down with the flu. After that, her health spiraled downwards. She started passing out and had to be hospitalized twice.
"We went to an urgent care place and they wouldn't even let her get out of my truck because she was seizing in the back so bad, so they called an ambulance immediately," says her husband, Brendan Jennings.
Doctors at Fairfax Inova and Johns Hopkins diagnosed her with a rare neurological disorder called dystonia. They think it was caused by a severe reaction to the flu shot.
Desiree now has difficulty speaking, walking, and even eating. During an interview with FOX 5, she had several seizures. The effects are irreversible.
"The symptoms will get worse if I use my voice or walk when the brain signals are misfiring," says Jennings.
Desiree reported her health problems to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) thinking there might have been something wrong with her vaccine. We also contacted the FDA and we were told they found no problems with the particular lot of flu vaccines that Desiree received, and the agency has not received any other reports of adverse effects from this lot.
Health experts stress that overall, extreme side effects are rare.
"The flu shot is safe for the majority of the public, and as I said before, your heart goes out to someone that experiences this sort of thing-- thinking that they are doing something great for their wellness and their general health, but it does happen in extremely rare cases," says Rachel Lynch with Fairfax Inove Health System.
For Desiree, she just happened to be one of those rare cases.
"I just don't want this to happen to anyone else," says Jennings.
Desiree and her husband plan to visit the Mayo Clinic in Arizona in November. They're hoping to get more answers about this disease and how they live with it.
Desiree has received flu shots before in 2007 and 2008.

Source:http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/health/101309_woman_disabled_by_flu_shot_reaction_dystonia
[ This Message was edited by: -PERFECT- on 2009-11-12 21:49 ]


Posted by Raiderski
hey, Perfect don't get me wrong but I think you have a little obsession about this conspiracy-theory or whatever people call it you're pushing this too far, you believe in governments killing civilians with airplanes and chemicals, I don't. your links are far from being the hard facts, they just are weak quality sensations to frighten people, once again - you believe, I don't

"But it’s hard for you to see the facts."
"Free to believe in dream-fiction"

what exactly makes you think that you and only you are right? you really don't want to hear other arguments, isn't? hey, it's not a problem for me, really I'm not trying to convince anybody to my opinions because my posts represents my personal point of view. in your posts I see that you're trying to reveal truth for the entire world - "open your eyes and see this cruel world". right now I see why we can't reach an agreement in this matter - you're trying to convince the man which cannot be convinced

cheers

BTW. in one thing we can agree, I guess. I'll never ever take flu vaccine, it's BS in my opinion

Posted by -PERFECT-
I didn’t want to get you angry matey!

We can’t have the same point of view, and i’v never been obsessed.
I only look and think why something is happening.
Like swine flu for example. Or like chemtrails.
I tell you one thing: i’m not me to be right, it’s right what a lot of people can see.
I like a lot to share informations, point of views , and to hear arguments from others.
But tell me: to my question “what are for you the chemtrails?” your argument was “nothing, plane trails and nothing else “?
What?
Nothing?
Is this an argument?
I’m not the Gospel, and i’v never tried to convince anyone.
The hard facts, as you call them, are way different from what you try to explain with a simple “i don’t believe in it”.
Wich are the true hard facts?
This:

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]3112500-2009113113000.250m.jpg

Or this:

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]=Europe_3_02.2009303.terra.1km

Or a lot of other satellitar photos in the same site.

But your point of view is “they are nothing, they are plane trails and nothing else”
Probably most of people don’t think the same.
If you want we can debate about what nothing means for you. But not about FACTS.
It’s very simple


Posted by Raiderski
no no! I'm not angry, my way of expressing emotions and linguistic habits are awful mix sorry. my opinion remains unchanged. New World Order, the world's elite, depopulation, for me as much real as God... I'm atheist


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