Posted by BISHOP990
Sony Ericsson is going back!
Hello,
I don't know what makes Sony Ericsson go back with their mobile features and quality, and also they just make the same phone many times again and again with different covers !!
1- SE had the most powerful mobile speakers, they were very loud and clear (P800, P900, P910, K700 .... ALL phones till W810, its speaker volume sucks) but now SE have the most terrible speakers in their phones
Nokia had the most terrible speaker volumes but now they are the best of the best (N81, N95, N73, N73 ME, E90, All Music Express Phones).
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2- SE had the best cameras in their phones, everyone know how K750 (it is not CYBER-SHOT) kicked N90's ass in taking photos (N90 has Carl Zeiss optics)
but now SE camera are bad (not the worst) no autofocus, video is too bad
Nokia now has the best camera phone (N82) which kicked K850's ass this time (K850 is CYBER-SHOT for god's sake).
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3-SE makes the same phone again and again but they change the cover !! since they made K750, all the next phones are the same:
1- 176X220 small screen
2- 2MP camera
3- Same software
4- they disabled the autofocus :blink:
examples:
K610 (it has 3G < the only difference)
V630
Z710
K618
K550
S500
K530
K630
K660
Z780
Walkman phones of these phones above also.
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4- SE had the biggest screen in their smart phones, but now they make it smaller n smaller:
P800 = 3 inchs
P900 = 3 inchs
P910 = 3 inchs
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P990 = 2.8
M600 = 2.6
W950 = 2.6
P1 = 2.6
G900 = 2.4
G700 = 2.4
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we can ignore P800, P900, P910 because they have different software with different screen resolution
but what about the others, they just keep getting smaller and smaller from 2.8 to 2.4 !! don't tell me to make the whole phone smaller cause the can kepp exactly the same shape with 2.8 screen + nokia made N95 8GB with 2.8 screen with a really good size (N96 has 2.8 but the phone is even slimmer)
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there is a lot of things that makes SE go back but I have no more time to write them
I'll write them later.
[ This Message was edited by: BISHOP990 on 2008-05-15 17:27 ]
Posted by IRFCA_WDG-3A
Add the play/pause button to the list...now
started omitting the very handy button and Nokia has started adding it.
Something is really wrong somewhere...earlier SE used to focus on style as utility...now they're focussing on neither.
Posted by NightBlade
Can you guys stop with the whining now?!
There are more than enough posts here on this matter.
Posted by technical-expert
hopefully die hard sony ericsson fans will come to rescue sony ericsson and somehow make this thread lock
Posted by jcwhite_uk
The lack of SE inovation made me goto Nokia which I thought would never happen.
Posted by hgautam
On 2008-05-15 18:25:57, BISHOP990 wrote:
Sony Ericsson is going back!
Since 2 years!!!
Would like to add another points, after having inferior camera, speakers, features, quality, etc. they still charge a lot and much more than the competition??? What for??? Because their phone are Antiques pieces???
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Posted by gola
i'm contemplating to get a nokia
Posted by Dups!
Never liked Motorola all my life but thanks to SE's complacency, lack of vision I've a Moto V8 and may just get a Moto or Nokia smartphone now that the Xperia may be coming in the fouth quarter.
Good going Sony Ericsson!
Posted by Bonovox
SonyEricsson i still love em and i believe things will get better i think at the moment their phones are poor except for 2 i like. Also their Walkman phones lately have dreadful music quality Nokia phones sound amazing my 6500 has fantastic sound. Only 2 i like look of now are W960 & W890. The W910 has awful music quality.
Posted by Yakkaimono
I think the only decent phones SE makes are for japan and the rest of the world gets since two years the same things but hopefully that will change.
You heard right I still have some faith in SE
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Posted by KingBooker5
Preety much exactly what I said in the X1 thread. SE are a backwards company that lack innovation.
Posted by nikolat
I remember back when the K750 was the newest thing out there... I just loved all the features put into a simple, budget design. That's what got me hooked to SE. But now they actually release a buggy phone with so many design flaws...
I guess they're in some kind of testing period or something... because this just doesn't seem like them.
Posted by Bonovox
I just think its a shame. So many of their latest phones have poor reliability poor build quality poor music quality cameras not up to normal standard and alot of their new phones always seems to have very muffled and very quiet call quality. Whats going on SE. So many other manufacturers have raced past them with their technology and new fresh innovations why i dont know. I for one wont buy any new phones of theirs until i see or hear of improvements. Sorry SE bring back the good old days.
Posted by F-Lexx
On 2008-05-15 22:05:59, nikolat wrote:
I remember back when the K750 was the newest thing out there... I just loved all the features put into a simple, budget design. That's what got me hooked to SE. But now they actually release a buggy phone with so many design flaws...
I guess they're in some kind of testing period or something... because this just doesn't seem like them.
Sincerely, I think most of the people here were hooked by SE's K750i, W800i or, if they could afford them, the P900/P910i. But after this, they went downhill..
What kind of a testing period could this be? testing old hardware to the limits? or testing our patience? i guess we're the beta-testers, right?
Posted by dancingfate
I really missed my W800i....
Posted by Keiki
The best SE yet Z610i!
Posted by ashyk36
i agree. the t68i and t610 got me hooked. the t610 wiped anything nokia could do.since then ive had many many phones,but the last 'goog' phone that was made was the k750i. since then its been rubish. ie k850i
Posted by sesukaku
hmm.. that is not true i think. At first i thought just like you guys, but after i bought W910, i change my mind alot. Each and every year, SE improve in many different sectors. W910 gives me everything i need. Sound quality is ok, i've nothing to complaint about. W910 has a brilliant screen, much better than the previous SE phones. It is also slim, although it might not be the slimmest slider, i dun mind, its enough, i dun need SE to make any slimmer. Build quality perfect, the slider is much better than my brother's W850 back 2 years ago.
Don't just look at the white paper and say omg not the same specs again!! i've noticed that SE implement different screen for K750, W810, K550. The newest one got a better screen! On the paper you might see 175X220 262K, but in reality, SE has used a different type of screen. The color reproduction, the viewing angle, direct sunlight legibility... everything.
W910 and K800 has exactly the same screen if you look at the white paper: 320X240, 262K. But, i've compared the two screens, and i can say that W910 has a much better screen compare to K800 in all those aspects i mentioned above.
Posted by The Matador
i really missed the green and blue lights (bluetooth and phone lights) like the T68i,T39m,P910i which were really classic
i started to get bored of the menus, they have to change the look and design, its almost the same since the K700i, and i agree about the loud speakers, the P900i specially had an amazing sound quality and was quite loud.
build quality was much better in previous SE's and Ericssons, T39m, T610i, P910i for example, were very unique phones with an amazing build quality and materials, nothing compared with a phone like a P990i
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i really love the P series, but i can say that the P990i was the worst, its the only P phone that i dont have, and i dont want to own one, for me its a black dot in SE's history.
but indeed, i still see that SE are the best in market, and i still prefer SE on other phones,
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Posted by Vipera ammodytes
back with P5 with 208mhz?
give me a break
Posted by F-Lexx
I think by "back" he meant "backwards". Look at the first post, about the screens going from 3" to 2.8" to 2.4".. I think he's right, SE stopped evolving.
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Posted by Bonovox
How can SonyEricsson give their phones the Walkman name when sound is a joke. My Nokia 6500 Classic has amazing dynamic sound with solid bass no muffling great stereo effect and beats any Walkman phone i ever heard. I returned my W910 the sound was so bad with any headphones and sounded tinny and muffled. Come on SonyEricsson.
Posted by Dups!
@The Matador
I don't know what the difference between my P910i (I still use it even today) and the one you use(d) but build quality on the P900/910i is nowhere good. Don't get me wrong, my P910i is the best Sony Ericsson I've ever used and I've used a few and also got rid of them but the P910i. I'll never get rid of this phone.
Posted by SilveR.
Talk about build quality. I think P800 is one of them.. got it new, still working..
And W910 build quality is excellent too..
Few of them sux and few of them has excellent build quality.--
Posted by soane28
so very true. The X1 was SE's last hope and now that has been delayed to the end of this year which is far too late as usual. Such a pity, especially when you remember the K750 and W800 duo. Such brilliant quality at the time, nothing could beat them! And now we are left with average recycled phones that should have been released last year or the year before that!
Posted by The Matador
On 2008-05-16 15:30:13, EMS06 wrote:
@The Matador
I don't know what the difference between my P910i (I still use it even today) and the one you use(d) but build quality on the P900/910i is nowhere good. Don't get me wrong, my P910i is the best Sony Ericsson I've ever used and I've used a few and also got rid of them but the P910i. I'll never get rid of this phone.
for me the quality is rally good, much better than the P990i, and looks really classic and unique ..
Posted by Dups!
Classic and unique indeed. my P910i is quite special to me, I just feel it lacks in the build quality. The casing creaks and the coating rubs off. Having used my T610i- now there's a beautifully and solidly built phone- for a full two years I expected better from the P910i. I actually regret letting go of my T610i.
Posted by KingBooker5
Mucked about with my mates k850 today and its a prime example. Can you get a slower phone?
Posted by makbil
The build quality of the P990 is in fact very good. Compared with all the "new" stuff SE has come up with since the P990, I still have no intention of giving up my P990, in fact, I got a second one for a real cheap price to use for hacking experimentation.
If SE decided to come up with a P991i model with 128 MB RAM, it would still top any device SE has announced since.
So how long has it been exactly since SE was able to surprise us with a device like the P900? Too long. I can just see bad management on SE's every level. Perhaps Paris was never meant to be the new flagship device but SE's advertisement boys mistakenly gave that appearance.
Posted by carkitter
If the author thinks that K610/K618/V630 and K630/V640 are just rehashed K750's without Autofocus, then it's him who's backwards.
The K750i UI really does look ancient these days, even V800/Z800 looks a little dated next to a V630i let alone the fabulous A200 platform in my V640i.
Posted by Raiderski
carkitter
blink blink UI is cool however embarrassing is fact that phone released at beginning of year 2005, i mean K750/W800, can do better 2mpx photos than any other phone released after those two. we can go further and write this also about K800
camera quality is only one of many things in phone but i have to be blind to not see that SE killed opinion about SE brand as great cameraphone. moreover software problems in K850 proved that software engineers team is weakest section in SE
SE is still the best in J2ME platform implementation, also their SDK is simply the best
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Posted by sesukaku
i agree with carkitter. I do realize that some SE's phones performance might not be up to standard compared to the old days. But, i don't think that means SE is not improving. If you keep your eye focus only on what will "used to be" the top end e.g. K850 then you are not looking on how SE truly improve their phones. Have a check at the W910, W890, P1, G900, C902, W760. Look at their SIZE. Most of these phones features what any of the older SE phones has, with less size. How thin is P1 compare to P990? how thin W910 compare to W850? how thin W890 compare to K750, W800, K800? how thin C902 compare to K850? These are one of the most remarkable achievement that SE had make. The only reason why you guys cannot appreciate this is because all of you compare it to nokia phones these days, which make all these development looks "normal".
Btw, anyone here can mention any nokia phones with 10 mm thick and feature 5 mp cam? Although i was a little dissapointed with SE in the past couple of years, im happy with my W910! Ah, not to forgot to mention that SE's screen is much better than those nokias.
Posted by Yakkaimono
I don't think that most of the people here are after thinness rather than more features. The performance of the hardware suffers because of the thinness. You can see it for example of the camera used in W890. I wouldn't really care if a SE phone had a thickness of 18-20mm as long as it is loaded with features. SE had always the stuff to make a great device but lately I think they're more into stylish phones rather than all rounders.
But hopefully this'll change this year.
Posted by carkitter
On 2008-05-17 11:23:24, Raiderski wrote:
carkitter
blink blink UI is cool however embarrassing is fact that phone released at beginning of year 2005, i mean K750/W800, can do better 2mpx photos than any other phone released after those two.
Except for W900, W810, K550 and W610. See, not even this statement you've made is correct. If anything is old and rehashed it's this topic. Let's move on shall we? As others have said the latest SE phones are very impressive & satisfying and even better ones are on thier way!
Posted by Raiderski
Nokia at least is updating software quite well and what is more important: every update has changelog - magic list about which one SE user can only dream
there is nothing wrong in current SE situation because every manufacturer is today in front of big question: what we should put in phone to interest new potential user? mid-range, top-range, something between. they don't have good answer
Btw, anyone here can mention any nokia phones with 10 mm thick and feature 5 mp cam?
you should also mention about pictures quality from this phone which is unpleasant. looks like excess of the form over content
carkitter
Except for W900, W810, K550 and W610.
when i wrote about K750/W800 it was supposed to mean that first technical idea for 2mp was the best. W810, W900 was in this idea too but with step backward - no camera glass protection. small thing? maybe but most K750/W800 users were not interested to upgrade to new models because of this small thing. K550/W610 - bad choice, camera quality is still unbeaten in K750 because K550 camera is only degraded version of K750 chip which is very well visible (for example in K550 camdriver thread)
Posted by The Matador
On 2008-05-17 12:02:53, Yakkaimono wrote:
I don't think that most of the people here are after thinness rather than more features. The performance of the hardware suffers because of the thinness. You can see it for example of the camera used in W890. I wouldn't really care if a SE phone had a thickness of 18-20mm as long as it is loaded with features. SE had always the stuff to make a great device but lately I think they're more into stylish phones rather than all rounders.
But hopefully this'll change this year.
i agree, i also think that the slim and small sizes fashion is 3-4 years old, when Nokia releases the 8210,8310 and T600 for Ericsson, that was the right time maybe, but for the meantime, i really dont see that the slim and the small size phone are stylish or unique anymore, i would rally prefer a phone with nice looking design, high quality materials and build quality, with some revolutionary features, and thats why i loved sony Ericsson in the past, for instance when they released the T39m with built in bluetooth technology, or when they released the revolutionary P900i. thats what we used to have from sonyricsson, not just the same phone with a different design!!, if am going to evaluate their phones which have the exact same features with deferent design, i wouldn't finish ...
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,
As someone mentioned the G series they still use the 208mhz Nexperia chip and for a smart phone even an entry level one no HSDPA in mid to late 2008 is a joke. Especially as not only do SE have HSDPA in non smart phones but all the competition do to. If the emerging rumors about the P5 also prove true how disappointing is that a Flag ship devIce with a 208mhz processor, 2.6" screen and yet again just another rehash with bigger camera and GPS as yet no confirmation again of HSDPA.
What many seem to forget is most if not all of us where Ericsson and then SE fans, but just look around the Forum and how many more compliant threads there are. Also look at just how many of us now no longer buy SE devices whilst they fail to offer the best value for money or in many cases what we want, is it really any surprise they have dropped position and profits.
Now if this is what is happening on a pro SE forum just how bad do you think it is with people that aren't just loyal to SE i think the figures say it all really. How ever much you want SE to be the best the figures just no longer support this. We keep on being told the next devices will be the ones a little like the next firmware will fix it all and neither so far is true. Just look at how many firmwares the K850 has had in the time it has been out and still many have serious problems. SE really needs to sort itself out and fast is the reality or there decline will continue what ever the loyal fans want to believe.
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Posted by Dups!
I'm actually beginning to think that it is too late for SE to "wake" up. I would like them to prove me wrong but I seriously doubt it. I never thought I'd see the day when the legacy of Ericsson would suffer such a dreadful end that even crappy Samsung and LG offer better and improved products.
Posted by eddie2020
i agree.... same like my k810.... is 99% same like k800.... only k810i is smaller and more slim n better looking.... mayb of that SE ranking in world is only number 2... and number 1 is NOKIA
Posted by makbil
On 2008-05-17 11:31:36, sesukaku wrote:
Most of these phones features what any of the older SE phones has, with less size. How thin is P1 compare to P990?
I wouldn't call it an improvement rather a trade off. Remember that the P1 has a smaller screen than P990 and does not have a lens cover.
Posted by BISHOP990
Why don't we tell SE about our complaints
let's make them hear our voice
they may actually wake up and correct everything in the next phones
let's send them the same email by different users talking to them about the problems:
1- build quality
2- camera
3- speaker
4- screen size
5- same old processors on new phones e.g: (208 MHz since P990 and still on P5)
6- high prices for nothing new e.g:(N82 is cheaper than K850 - N82 is WAY better)
7- Old technologies e.g: (X1 has 3.8Mbps 3G speed - HTC Diamond has 7.2 Mbps )
8- being late e.g: (X1 was announced early 2008 and will available in Q3 - HTC Diamond was announced in May and will be available in May also)
let's send them emails
let's go to their offices if available (I'm in Dubai, the head offices are not here)
I'm really sure we can make difference
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Posted by C905
On 2008-05-18 09:19:20, BISHOP990 wrote:
Why don't we tell SE about our complaints
let's make them hear our voice
they may actually wake up and correct everything in the next phones
let's send them the same email by different users talking to them about the problems:
1- build quality
2- camera
3- speaker
4- screen size
5- same old processors on new phones e.g: (208 MHz since P990 and still on P5)
6- high prices for nothing new e.g:(N82 is cheaper than K850 - N82 is WAY better)
7- Old technologies e.g: (X1 has 3.8Mbps 3G speed - HTC Diamond has 7.2 Mbps )
8- being late e.g: (X1 was announced early 2008 and will available in Q3 - HTC Diamond was announced in May and will be available in May also)
let's send them emails
let's go to their offices if available (I'm in Dubai, the head offices are not here)
I'm really sure we can make difference
[ This Message was edited by: BISHOP990 on 2008-05-18 08:22 ]
I don't think they would care
and i sure it won't make any difference
Posted by clauf
On 2008-05-16 10:10:00, Keiki wrote:
The best SE yet Z610i!
I agree. My Z610i went throught A LOT from me: I dropped it while skiing and so skis skied on top of it for like an hour in negative 15c temperatures and yet I had only a minor scratch on the reflective surface. I dropped it countless times on concrete pavement, and only minor dents. Then I dropped it into a sink of water once, and the phone still works no problem, though it consumes more battery than before.
But I do need to replace it soon, my keypad is starting to crack and the phone navigation pad fell off =(
I'm starting to get a little disappointed with Sony Ericsson but I have faith in them still. If they don't perform well with the international side, I'm still be sticking with Sony Ericsson...... just Japan phones! =)
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