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Posted by kenoby
Dear Esatonians!

Since the new subject arised in the N82 vs K850i I wanted to relocate it here since I believe many people have something to say about the comments given there. I do not want to be in a "K850i camp to defend its colours and stripes" or whatever. Just want for everyone to post its personal photos done with aforementioned cam phones to compare. Upload to Esato can be done but please use some image host server to attach the original.
Only standard drivers can be used for comparison.




Posted by AbuBasim
Any 5mp camera phone will do? How about the i-mobile 902:

Resized to 800x600:


800x600 center crop from the above at full size:


(The original is here in the photos gallery.)



Posted by kenoby
@ AbuBasim, any phone cam on the market if compared to 902 will be blown away Thanks to it's sony CCD, if I understood correct.
When I wrote the post I didn't remember "that one".

Thanks for the contribution...

[ This Message was edited by: kenoby on 2008-01-18 07:20 ]

Posted by tai020381
Scroll down to see full size pictures. (Comparison of k800 & k850i)

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1753130

Posted by number1
heres 1 from a k800i@k810i,

http://i222.photobucket.com/a[....]d234/sniper100590/DSC00022.jpg

Posted by kenoby
@ tai, thanks for the source, very useful. You are able to see the difference between K850i and K800.

Posted by AbuBasim
That's very good. Comparing that with the i-mobile 902 again, the 902 has a very good sensor but the lens is crap. Corners are fuzzy, and if you shoot one photo in 5MP and then a second in 3MP you will struggle to see much difference.

Posted by Radiux399
Taken by T650i. I know its not the K800/K810, but I feel the T650i and the K770 actually take better shots than either of those two phones, and including the K850 as well. Well, at least in good lighting situations.



Posted by soane28
wow that is good quality from a T650.

Posted by razec
A 3mp picture downsized to XGA resoution (1024x768) would of course look good. but how about full size? the T650 wont render better pic than K810/K800 because of the main factor: sensor and lens size/type

Posted by Radiux399

On 2008-01-19 11:16:52, razec wrote:
A 3mp picture downsized to XGA resoution (1024x768) would of course look good. but how about full size? the T650 wont render better pic than K810/K800 because of the main factor: sensor and lens size/type



It depends really. In low light situations, the aperture on the T650/K770 is so small, its forced to increase the exposure to get a bright enough shot which ends up blurring easily. The K800's lens is larger so it doesn't have as much of a problem.

But the real reason I feel the T650/K770 takes better shots is because of less noise reduction. The K800 ends up making fine details look pretty bad. The K650 does a better job at preserving those details, allowing for better looking shots when viewed at 100%. Observe:



Its not the best example, but it should demonstrate what i'm talking about. The T650i is on the left. K800 on the right. Notice how on the K800, the ground has lost most of its detail and looks more like a "smear". Its especially apparent in the bottom of the shot in the whitish area. The noise reduction has removed all the little white specs! Look closely at the tire in the background. The T650i retains all the detail, but the K800 throws a lot of it away.

With that said, the T650i's shot is overall softer, due to a poorer lens compared to the K800.

Posted by Radiux399
A low light crop viewed at 100% size.




And finally, a nighttime shot taken by me on my T650i last night:




Totally untouched except for 50% resize.

Posted by plankgatan

On 2008-01-19 07:04:11, Radiux399 wrote:
Taken by T650i. I know its not the K800/K810, but I feel the T650i and the K770 actually take better shots than either of those two phones, and including the K850 as well. Well, at least in good lighting situations.




this is the only picture by t650 who i seen who looks so good...they usually looks quite bad...like this
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=153035#post2069987

k850 take nearly allways ten times better pics then t650..thats for sure...
about this t650 picture, what can i say...its a lucky shoot......when i see the rest of t650 pictures, i dont see one single pic like this.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-19 20:17 ]

Posted by Radiux399



this is the only picture by t650 who i seen who looks so good...they usually looks quite bad...like this
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=153035#post2069987

k850 take nearly allways ten times better pics then t650..thats for sure...
about this t650 picture, what can i say...its a lucky shoot......when i see the rest of t650 pictures, i dont see one single pic like this.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-19 20:17 ]


You mean bad pictures like this?



or this?



or this?



or this?



A lot of the pictures taken in that thread were posted by me and look quite excellent. Low light shots will look very blurry if not kept steady, but bright day pics look great.

As for the K850 taking 10x better pics... well I just demonstrated how in some ways the T650i takes better pics than the K800 above. Since the K850 isn't much of an improvement over the K800 (and in some ways worse), I don't see how your argument is valid. But please feel free to show some shots taken by the K850i at 100% view (don't upload to esato).

Posted by plankgatan
he he he..but someone said that t650 was better then both k850 & imobile902 (or something)...sweet dreams.

even k800/k810 take quite much sharper/better pics then T650/K770....

like i said, just look at the T650 thread and you see what i mean...
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=153035&start=30

and YES, the snowlift picture is the only pic ive seen with t650 who have that quality.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-19 20:42 ]

Posted by Radiux399

On 2008-01-19 21:39:07, plankgatan wrote:
he he he..but someone said that t650 was better then both k850 & imobile902 (or something)...sweet dreams.

even k800/k810 take quite much sharper/better pics then T650/K770....

like i said, just look at the T650 thread and you see what i mean...
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=153035&start=30

and YES, the snowlift picture is the only pic ive seen with t650 who have that quality.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-19 20:42 ]


You're obviously not reading. The 4 pictures I just posted ARE taken from the thread you are referring to. You are basically pointing me to great looking pictures taken by the T650i.

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
plank and crappy k850 again

t650 have better colors then k800 and k850

k850 always sucks at full size that is sad reality

k850 take nearly allways ten times better pics then t650..thats for sure...



yep when you edit in PS

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[ This Message was edited by: Vipera ammodytes on 2008-01-19 20:52 ]

Posted by number1
your right the t650 lens isn't as good as the k800i's, the reason the t650 pics are some much clear is because in the driver the whitebalance is turned off, it produces clear better pictures because most the time on the k800i the whitebalance gets it wrong and applies too much yellow and pics sometimes get cloudy.

Posted by soane28
Have a look here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_k770-review-168p4.php

The K810 pictures look far better IMO.

Posted by plankgatan

On 2008-01-19 23:41:43, soane28 wrote:
Have a look here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_k770-review-168p4.php

The K810 pictures look far better IMO.


he he he..Vipera must have some screw lose...of course T650 take worse pics then k850 and k810/k800...to say something else is just silly.

yes you can get lucky shoots with T650, but look inside the T650 thread, it proves everything.

when a T650 manage this quality, im conviced..
picture directley from the phone......

full size..

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9206/dsc03435tp8.jpg

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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-19 23:37 ]

Posted by sadeghi85

On 2008-01-19 21:31:18, Radiux399 wrote:
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I love this pic. it's now my desktop background (after a little processing)




[ This Message was edited by: sadeghi85 on 2008-01-20 02:52 ]

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
plankgatan??

sky is purple??? OMG


you posted that picture million times on esato

give something newer, i have requsted your photos in full size( edited ones hehe) but you dont wanna post them...

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[ This Message was edited by: Vipera ammodytes on 2008-01-19 23:44 ]

Posted by sadeghi85
Vipera please stop! we all know that all 5MP CMOS based camphones are crap(my sig).



Posted by strizlow800
The bike on the Radiux399's picture... the green one. I have the same bike, but mine is red hahahahaha...

Posted by plankgatan
T650 is beatiful, but it hardly a good camera phone....its like k750, it produce ok(sometimes good) daylight pictures, but the rest looks often realy bad.

do you realy think that T650 can produce a low light-picture like this..he he

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9876/2008011721115d5fk6ux3.jpg
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-20 02:05 ]

Posted by Merkie2
I'm sure it can.


Posted by stat5bot


Shot by SE K800i (Standard 2.5 Driver)

Posted by geroldbravo
take a look at this... im so sorry if the rest does'nt have anything in it.. it's baked mussels(just like oysters)... yummy... taken on my k800i..



Posted by se_dude
the k750 was the first phone in the A100 platform and the k850 is the first phone in the A200 phone...i ad the k750 on the 2nd week after launch and had to pay more than the k850 for it...

the frst batch was crappy..yellow patches on the pics...but then the k750 emerged as one of the best phones ever made...

just give it some time...it will stand up to its capability,...

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
100%crop by k850, funny




its like k750, it produce ok(sometimes good) daylight pictures, but the rest looks often realy bad.


LOL

sorry but you can dream sharp photos like this wuth your k850:
K750

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9315/zaesatoit8.jpg


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7238/zaesato2vw7.jpg

and plank made k850 photo with green to like like this



you cant sorry,850 colors are washed out

low light with t650






Posted by plankgatan
yeh, you right, suddenley T650 take better indoor, flash & low light then k850...ha ha ha...you just a sad person who must complain about k850 all time.

Posted by paul-d
Pics taken with K850




http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/871/dsc00820re5.jpg




http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/720/dsc00821dz3.jpg




http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9658/dsc00822as2.jpg


The only criticism I have at the moment about the camera on the K850 is unless you have a perfectly steady hand the picture comes out ruined, and the so called 'stabiliser' option in the menu does little or nothing I find.

[ This Message was edited by: paul-d on 2008-01-20 10:05 ]

Posted by alexander87


Does the KING W900i counts?

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00214lx7.jpg

And i must say plank...i'm sorry when i look at the K850 pics
What is with that horrible purple fringe?????

Posted by plankgatan
yes, it have some purple colors on some pics....but hey, i have take hundreds with k850 pictures and they blow this 2 M.P pictures away bigtime....

LEARN YOUR CAMERA...LEARN HOW TO TAKE PICTURES PROPERLEY...then maybe, just maybe you will get better quality

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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-20 10:37 ]

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
alex

there is always purple fringing

100% crops







purple fring. http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/39782/2003504732240493447_rs.jpg

Posted by stat5bot
i agree with planktan.

it really does not matter how high the mega pixel of your phone is, it is how your shoot the picture

Posted by kenoby
^^^ Which Vipera proved, showing last few taken from the desk, set on timer... Anyway, there's no end to you two, Plank and Vipera... You do not even post if there's another subject. Vipera seems to stalk plankgatan.. I have huge selection taken with K850i, more than with any other cam phone till now. So, for me is great, you two will ot change that. Plank does make great photos with his and Vipera doesn't even have one with which he would demonstrate his excellent knowledge about DI, and prove his point from personal experience..

As some individuals already mentioned before, it is useless to fight over personal preferences, as everyone already has one. It's like discussing which car is better, diesel or gasoline driven, where one has diesel and other gasoline car, even if the cars is of the same brand and with same HP/TQ.



Posted by alexander87

On 2008-01-20 11:37:14, plankgatan wrote:
yes, it have some purple colors on some pics....but hey, i have take hundreds with k850 pictures and they blow this 2 M.P pictures away bigtime....

[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-20 10:37 ]


Blown away say you?...well if you say so. ..firstly I wanna see how the K850 gets rid of that purple fringe (witch i think is a lens defect)...i was right about to buy one...thanks GOD for viewing lots of pictures taken with it..
K850 >>> not worthy of the Cyber-Shot branding..my 2 cents
I'll wait for the firmware updates tough...to see how the camera and other bugs are managed

OH and again...the master of all the godfather..W900




http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00197kf7.jpg



http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00205vr6.jpg

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[ This Message was edited by: alexander87 on 2008-01-20 19:09 ]

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
Hi alexander

"witch i think is a lens defect"


reason for that is small size sensor for 5mpx, and sensor is really cheap

its got worsest sensor among all 5mpx cameras, sadly

i will wait for proper k750 repl. with good camera, not ones like from k800 and k850


Cheers

Posted by rockerZ
Oh god you guys are wasting so much time on this thread , especially you VIPERA , your fighting with plankgatan for no reason ... i mean just stop coming at this thread ,PLEASE ... You just cannot complete with Plank , he is extremely good at photoshop , and i think George W. Bush gifted him some special K850 , he thinks K850 is the only best phone in the Mobile phone history ... none of us can really compete with that ... and his photoshop work is amazing , i bet even a professional cannot do the work he does on his pictures

So you see vipera you just cannot mess with plank , infact no-one here can mess with him ... His FUKIN K850 is just VERY GOOD ! THE BEST 5 MP PHONE IN THE MARKET INDEED!!!



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[ This Message was edited by: rockerZ on 2008-01-20 19:46 ]

Posted by milan91
rockerZ, not only his k850i, and his k800i/k810i Only his phones have better cam...

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Posted by plankgatan
do you think i care ????

i dont care about k850, i like all my phones.........

BUT, for the moment i use k850 instead of using my k810, etc...so who cares, i get good pictures with k850 whitout any silly photo shop, it seems thats you guys who complains all time who cant use a camera properley or something...or why are you complaing ????? how is it possible that Gerban, myself, brewcaster and many more people here on Esato, Flickr.com get good k850 pictures...

drop this bullshit that 2 M.P cell phones is better then k850...like i allways say; k750/w800 produce often sharp/good daylight pics, but the rest looks nearly allways crappy.


Posted by sadeghi85

On 2008-01-20 20:27:10, Vipera ammodytes wrote:
Hi alexander

"witch i think is a lens defect"


reason for that is small size sensor for 5mpx, and sensor is really cheap

its got worsest sensor among all 5mpx cameras, sadly

i will wait for proper k750 repl. with good camera, not ones like from k800 and k850


Cheers




Ok, small sensor is indirect reason, actual reason is for microlenses:




and i think K800 is good specially with camdrivers.
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@plankgatan:

no one deny your ability to take good pics. you're a good photographer, but K850i suffers from hardware limitations, if you can read my sig you'll find it. yes, 2MP cell phones are better than k850i as far as pic quality is concerned, and it's not bullshit, it's some physics(optics) rules, bigger pixels means better quality and more megapixels needs bigger sensor. no one can change physics rules, ok? (i assume that you read something in university)

and for low light photography you can use camdrivers, or just use your system camera, ok?

you can always fool yourself, but please don't fool others, if you like your K850i, no problem, just stop praising it.



Posted by BobaFett
finally wise words here... so true. plankgatan must have real talent, when it comes to making pix, probabal he plays around with the right settings hours long ( sma way as i do with othe features in my fone to get the most and best out of it ), BUT there are no 2 totally common fones as we know and not everybody wanna make weeks with experiences, for a good shoot. so if the one is happy with it, then maybe it could be good to respect the other one aswe,, for whom another model gives the same satisfaction and happiness as the the one a k850...

Posted by plankgatan

On 2008-01-20 23:00:27, sadeghi85 wrote:

On 2008-01-20 20:27:10, Vipera ammodytes wrote:

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@plankgatan:

no one deny your ability to take good pics. you're a good photographer, but K850i suffers from hardware limitations,




all cell phones cameras have some kind of hardware restrictions......(because they are cell phones)

sure, k850 have not a super big sensor....sure it have not a super-perfect lens...but it still produce better DETAILS then N82 on many pictures, (example this pics i showed you in the other thread), so for me, the hardware is acceptable........

if i want perfect sharpness all time, i use my system camera.....
(i also think thats the sport with cell phones cameras, to get good pictures with using this small, tiny lenses, sensors, etc, etc).





[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-01-20 22:41 ]

Posted by sadeghi85
Ok, i call it "personal preference".



Posted by buntoo
i had both phone K750i & K810i. both takes very good pictures.. but K850i is much much better than both of them.
I dont know why you people always complain abt K850i.. dont be jealous.
Its a superb camera phone (no doubt) .. so stop complaining & be +ive thinker always.

[ This Message was edited by: buntoo on 2008-01-20 22:57 ]

Posted by Lunion
Amazingly good pics Radiux399 with the good ol' T650i....


who needs a K850i when a T650i (ultimately a much better looking phone IMO) can take pictures like you have taken.

Posted by -PERFECT-
Can someone post a comparison of the same picture taken with T650i and K850i?


Posted by alexander87

On 2008-01-20 22:33:36, plankgatan wrote:

drop this bullshit that 2 M.P cell phones is better then k850...like i allways say; k750/w800 produce often sharp/good daylight pics, but the rest looks nearly allways crappy.



always crappy....well...there ya go buddy...crappy™ pics from a W900i
and I think they are better than the K850's ones...at least they aren't turning out PINK damn it
yes k750\w800\w900 produce often sharp/good daylight pics, but what the K860 produces?...ohhh...pink pics..
plank..too much pixels...small sensor...its a reality...i hope SE will improve the camera in the next updates...if not i'll stick with my W900\K800\W880...was planning to sell my w900 and w880 to get the k850...but LOL that would've been the worst investment ever




http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00141hp0.jpg



http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00792ge1.jpg



http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00232rs7.jpg



http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00282ff8.jpg

W900i > K850i
mmmkay plank?

i was just f***kin with you dude...no hard feelings




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