Posted by conzepth
I've had my phone for quite some time now, about 9 months, and guess what, the joystick started to behave just like my old t630 and the k750. I decided to try to fix it on my own, since I had nothing better to do.
What you need:
A small scissor.
A soft cloth to remove dust.
About 2 minutes of spare time.
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NO GUARANTEES - USE CAUTION, AND REMOVE YOUR BATTERY FIRST!
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STEP 1:
Place the tip of one of the scissor blades as shown on this image, between the black plastic and the top of your joystick.
STEP 2:
Move the other side of the scissor towards the bottom part of your phone, while still making sure that the tip of the scissor blade is between the black plastic and the top of the joystick. Do it slowly so you don't break something else inside your phone.
*CLICK*
STEP 3:
Remove the black plastic covering your joystick, then continue by removing the rubber(?)sealing along with the other buttons.. like this:
If you have problems removing the keys, just try pushing them from side to side. Shouldn't be too hard, though. Now is a good time to remove the dust from your joystick and in between the other keys. Surprisingly, I found very little dust there, so I continued my journey inside the k800i..
STEP 4:
This is what you're currently looking at
Notice the 4 "pins" on all four sides of your joystick. This is where we're gonna use our beloved scissor once again. What we're gonna do, is to push all four "pins" towards the joystick itself, in other words, giving the joystick a smaller place to move. Just stick the tip of one of the scissorblades down there and press against the joystick. I used a little force, but I was also pretty cautious. Do this on all four sides. You're not supposed to make them move a million miles, just a little bit.
STEP 5:
Allright, back to assembling this baby together. It's as easy as reversing the steps from 1-4.
Put the rubberthingie with all the small buttons and the joystick itself back in place. Push the joystick down a little (as if you we're clicking the joystick in). Click all the small buttons in place. This was actually the thing that took me the longest time, but it shouldn't be TOO hard. Then finally, put the middle black plastic cover back into place (notice the edges) and just.. press the keys together, to make sure they are all in place.
Put your battery back in, boot up your phone, and voila, your joystick is as good as new!
HOWEVER, if it still doesn't work perfectly, just repeat this process. I did it 3 times before I was happy with the result.
Hope this will help all you other guys having problems with your joysticks.. Who knows, maybe it works on other SE-models aswell.
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conzepth
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Posted by marktang
i wont be doing that. u can scratch your phone so easily like that and it looks like u already did.
Posted by phoenyx
Not a good idea
Posted by gaming_guy
On 2007-03-20 16:31:00, marktang wrote:
i wont be doing that. u can scratch your phone so easily like that and it looks like u already did.
and probably bugg*r the joystick up if your not careful
Posted by Tehy03
Nice guide! but don't do this if you don't know what you are doing
Posted by conzepth
On 2007-03-20 16:31:00, marktang wrote:
i wont be doing that. u can scratch your phone so easily like that and it looks like u already did.
Up to you. It worked for me, the joystick is just as good as it was when the phone was brand new. I wasn't even close to scratch up my phone, the scratches you see are all old ones.. You're not tearing anything apart either, so reassembly isn't some sort of magic. :)
But I guess it depends on whether or not you look at your phone as a piece of jewelry, or something you have in your pocket all day long which eventually gets scratched up. I can live with a scratchy phone as long as it works the way it is supposed to. :)
Posted by marktang
yeah i can tell u like scratchy phones. look at your keypad man its disgusting.
Posted by conzepth
On 2007-03-20 18:42:47, marktang wrote:
yeah i can tell u like scratchy phones. look at your keypad man its disgusting.
Heard about wear and tear, buddy? I have free sms and mms, and I've sent about 7000++ in the last months, and I can tell you this, the keys looks like that after a short, short period of time. It took me no more than a month before they started to look like that.. so yeah, I guess I don't mind scratchy phones as long as they work. Would you rather like a good looking phone which can't be controlled via the joystick, then that's up to you. :)
This tip works, and I'm pretty sure someone will confirm this pretty quick.
Posted by daviep
nice guide.saves totally disasembling the phone.
tho some people sound as if they would rather have a sticking joystick than give your method a try.
Posted by peanut
Interesting guide.
But I do have to say that looks like a very mistreated phone. Free MMS or not.
I too have unlimited SMS, MMS and 3G but I couldn't let my phone get in that state. I just feel when you put it on a bar, coffee table the state it's in says something about the person you are.
but I'm that retentive lol
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Posted by conzepth
On 2007-03-21 00:02:58, peanut wrote:
Interesting guide.
... I just feel when you put it on a bar, coffee table the state it's in says something about the person you are....
[ This Message was edited by: peanut on 2007-03-20 23:06 ]
Heh, well, you see. When it first started to lose the "coating"/protection on the buttons, I didn't really care that much about taking care of the phone. I keep it in my pocket all the time, it's not like I let the neighbour dog play with it, but I do not keep it in a protective case either ;) The joystick has been acting up for quite some time already, so I was pretty much looking for a new phone.
That's why this tip is, imho, a good tip, because it made the joystick feel BETTER THAN WHEN IT WAS BRAND NEW!
I have some posts in the first pages of the k800i FW thread where I complain about the joystick when writing sms... so it has been bothering me since day one. Now, however, it's just as good as my old k750i when it was new.
Of course, you can use whatever tool you like in this tutorial. A small scissor was all I had handy, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of better alternatives. However, my phone didn't get a single scratch from this operation. All scratches you see are from keeping my phone in my pocket.
In any case, happy to help. ;)
Posted by decay_zeit
leave them man,that's the way you did it(as you say)and thank you to share your work...
umm,i don't have free sms/mms but i've sent already more than a million:p,after 5 months and the keypad looks like yours,but got no problem with joystick,it works great...and if someday joystick become annoying,i'll certainly will try your toturial...
TOTTALY AGREE WITH YOU about value,it is not really a piece of jewelry,keeping it in my pocket all the time...
thanks
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Posted by whatsucka
when i press down to look for songs in walkman mode it sometimes change to another song...
when i do a service test i try to press down i get more down-right than juz down
how do i fix my w800 joystick??
Posted by Neo-Tech
Hi,
Some of you say you hve Free MMS, SMS and 3G. Is there anyway I can get that.
Great guide but I'm not rying it because i'm not sure
Posted by conzepth
On 2007-03-21 07:44:53, machanic wrote:
Hi,
Some of you say you hve Free MMS, SMS and 3G. Is there anyway I can get that.
Great guide but I'm not rying it because i'm not sure
Ask your service provider about a sub.plan with free sms. It's pretty common that they have free sms included in some of their plans.
You're saying you're not sure; if there's anything in my tutorial which you find to be a little unclear, just tell me, and I'll try to explain it better.
Posted by conzepth
So, has anyone with the joystick problem followed my guide yet? :)
Posted by bodum
you keep your phone in your pocket? what else is in there, man? the kitchen sink?
...
anyways from what i can see, you're making the contacts 'closer' so that would in theory make the joystick a lot more sensitive? i wouldn't try that myself though, not that adventurous. personally, i feel that the 'cottonbud' technique works as well.
Posted by lemmor08
Ive tried it conzepth and it works great. my down arrow keys doesnt
respond that much and when ive tried what you're about to say it so
amazing. im praying that my joystick will be better whenever i tried what
you say and im so happy for the result!. thanx man!! you rock!!
Posted by trumpeter
Thanks, conzepth, I managed to fix my K750i joystick using your method. Nice one!
For anyone who's interested:
Remove battery
Undo the two flat screws and take of the back cover by gently prising the cover away from the sides with a very thin blade
Undo the two torx screws and remove the front cover in the same way
Take out the keypad and gently open out the keypad sensor
Pull off the joystick itself and then follow conzepth's instructions (I applied a hoover at this point, too)
When you put it back together, do so with the camera shutter open, to avoid squashing the shutter sensor
Sorry I didn't take any pictures. Then again, my phone's had a hard life and I didn't want you guys insulting it!
Best wishes, Neil
Posted by daviep
used your method and it works a treat.recomended.
Posted by whatsucka
On 2007-03-26 23:10:29, trumpeter wrote:
Thanks, conzepth, I managed to fix my K750i joystick using your method. Nice one!
For anyone who's interested:
Remove battery
Undo the two flat screws and take of the back cover by gently prising the cover away from the sides with a very thin blade
Undo the two torx screws and remove the front cover in the same way
Take out the keypad and gently open out the keypad sensor
Pull off the joystick itself and then follow conzepth's instructions (I applied a hoover at this point, too)
When you put it back together, do so with the camera shutter open, to avoid squashing the shutter sensor
Sorry I didn't take any pictures. Then again, my phone's had a hard life and I didn't want you guys insulting it!
Best wishes, Neil
can u have some pictures how to fix it?? is it same as W800i??
Posted by lemmor08
i do he exaxt method what conzepth says. by the way, w800i doesnt have any joystrick. right? so its not applicable for that thing
Posted by whatsucka
On 2007-03-28 06:48:29, lemmor08 wrote:
i do he exaxt method what conzepth says. by the way, w800i doesnt have any joystrick. right? so its not applicable for that thing
um, w800i DO have a joystick
Posted by seenu84
Thanx a lot, this trick works
Posted by SHAHSANGEL
I'VE FOLLOWED YOUR PICS AND CLEANED MY K800i,IT WORKS GREAT THANKS ALOT WELL UP
Posted by lemmor08
soti whatsucka... i tought that w800i is the same as w810i. maybe you cant do that trick for your phone because of a different syle...
Posted by Neo-Tech
post a video conzepth
Posted by Maddreg
Thanx for guide, Conzepth!
I did it for 2 minutes, I used paperclip instead of scissors, and it really helped!
I don't understand people who are writing "oh, I would never do that to my phone, I don't want to scratch it, look at your keys, bla bla"... If your hands are growing from the right place, but not from ass, everithyng will be ok. Conzepth just described his method, which works. If you don't want to do it, then shut up and enjoy you "nice working" joystick.
Posted by exor
i did it too.!!!!
thanxx!
Posted by a1m80t
Good guide
i did a similar thing with my k750 except i used wd40 and a needle and it worked like a charm.
Also, for people who say they would never do this to that phone, I wonder if you guys will still have the same mentality when your joystick starts to really suck... and you don't have any warranty/ can’t afford to wait for them to fix it
Finally, you can always buy a new faceplate and voila, you have a "new phone"
Posted by Lo-couk
At £180.00 I' going to put my faith in the warrentee for the next 8 months. So far so good with problems with my 4th SE K800i...
Posted by Jort
I also tried it, it definatly improved but the DOWN key is still a bit lame at times, those things you are suppose to bend are just very very smal and but the the right tools this is a great solution!!...
Posted by KingBooker5
I have a much simpiler way.
I had the same thing with my w800. But if you move the joystic around vigirously for a few seconds it works with no problem! I havnt had a joystick prob since!
Posted by Hepperz
Just thought I'd say thanks to the guy who put these instructions together!
I was so fed up with my phone that it nearly got thrown around the room a few times.
Tried this trick today and it was so simple to do and has worked really well. I think I'm going to do it again as my down isn't working 100% of the time.
Now my phone is usable again!! Cheers!
Posted by cph73
Forget the knockers who are quick to criticise - THIS METHOD WORKS !!
All you doubters have to do is be very careful and follow it to the letter.
But I would recommend using a (flatend) minature screwdriver.
If you get lucky like me, you can take out the keys still attached to the rubber pad - they all came out at once.
This saved some time i guess.
Just be careful with your mini screwdriver when levering out the buttons (top,middle first -joystick side)
My phones ''down shift' didnt work so I concentrated on the metal contact underneath the joystick and with the flat end of the Screwdriver pushed it firmly n carefully toward the joystick 2 or 3 times.
I then quickly but battery in and checked joystick b4 putting keypad back on, it wasn't perfect so I repeated (battery out again!) - and then it was OK!
Thanks for helping fix my phone man!!!
PS: I don't care about scratchy phones either - IT ISNT JEWELLERY!
Posted by tdalupan
Thanks conzepth! The down arrow on my joystick registered only 30-40% of the time I pressed it. your tutorial worked like a charm, now it registers at about 85% of the time. I may have to redo the tutorial and push the pins closer to the centre for it to work 100%. Glad to know I no longer need to send it back to Sony for repair.
Posted by keithy
Thank youuu!
Worked so well
Also works on a K810i
Posted by dayz
thanks... i dont have now problem with my joystick
only with my nuiance flash!!!!
Posted by U-D13
Hmmm... Actually joysticks should be cleaned like this...
http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=11972
Posted by nordine
thanks for the thread, it worked for me with a k800, im going to try my old k750i now which i had given up on.
Posted by skylineR35
i dare not do that cause my K800 have no scratch at all.
but i got another method to help improve the joystick usability.
this is the method:
first get a 2mm thick double tape.
then cut it at the size of HPM70 hole. (same diameter with K800 joystick)
after cutting it as a circle nicely, stick it there, (but before clean it first)
and then for the top surface, use something like water or soft alcohol to remove the "stickiness" on the surface that you're pressing.
(theorically: this make the joystick fatter, thus improve its usability.)
so far, i got all positive comment, lots my friends told me that without using that, the joystick is worse. if anyone interested, i can post pics later.
Posted by PowerLee
If the phone is still under warranty ( 2 years in the U.K. ) why not just send it back for repair?
Posted by defiantbeast
Thank you this was very helpful
Posted by scotterillo
Ive just thought 'what the hell' and followed your tutorial, as my joystick wouldnt allow a down or right movement and can report as you stated, its as good as new now! Thank you. Ive been wondering for ages how to get in to clean it. I used an electrical screwdriver to prize off the plastic surround. Its also worth mentioning that when putting back together, its important to position the two lugs at the bottom of the plastic surround into place first and then lowering the top part into place until it snaps back into place. Cheers!
Posted by psp476
Well I love my mobile, so I'd rather take it to a proffesional and spend some money then scratch/damage my mobile
O and try to get problems while your mobile is under warantee
Not that you can really choose but anyway
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Posted by shuyin1946
By the way i have question how come the joystick get faulty so easilly? U use it hardly? Or its a curse?
Posted by je4nKO
Yeah,thank you.I did it right now,and it is f**kin working!
Posted by kaizerp900
The joystick on mine was a bit unresponsive so just used your guide & seems to be working a treat.
Cheers
Posted by hanugro
I give mine to service centre under warranty. They change the joystick switch (couldn't take photo since they need to claim it to SE) and it all well again under 3hr for free.
Edit: it is the fifth pic in the first page
Those who still got warranty is better to use it. It is our right anyway.
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Posted by aldmo87
I tried it, it worked beautifully, and there is no way to scratch your phone doing just use some super small scissors and you'll be fine.