Posted by sunnychad
I am sure this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I have a different spin on it.
I hope you all remember the Z1010 3G phone. It took an absolute age to be released and when it finally appeared it was replaced within 3 months by the V800i/Z800i in the UK.
With the P990i, many have waited ages for the release and it is clear many have found it to be "sub-standard". It was no rush job as it was a clear 10 months from announcement to release so why do it and get it so wrong?
I feel the probability of a replacement, either as an M-Series or P-Series is very likely and there is nothing to say SE won't do another Z1010 job and release a new more desirable model as soon as stock of the P990i is down. I hope someone within SE and without scrupples spills the beans on what is coming soon!!!
Posted by Dogmann
Hi Sunnychad,
If and it is a big if your assumption is true there is no way SE would announce this until the have shifted as many P990's as possible. Although i can't imagine that those that have recently purchased a P990 being very pleased and that's putting it mildly.
Marc
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Posted by sunnychad
I totally agree, none of the recent purchasers would be pleased at all. I am likely to become a purchaser as soon as O2 has stock on 2 October so am starting to think carefully. Something about a replacement has been mentioned elsewhere on the web so it is something to bear in mind.
I was thinking hard about where SE had done it before and then remembered the Z1010 so there is no reason for them not to do it again!
Time will tell so let's see
Posted by Jim-bob
People said the same thing about the P910i. It's difficult to predict the future. Besides if it is superceded quickly I, like a majority of ppl who paid extra to get the P990i early, will probably just end up buying the replacement handset a few months later
Posted by Residentevil
Although companies make the same mistakes over and over again, the history of the P series shows, that there always was roughly close to a year between releases. And you don't want to screw up your flagship product marketing.
Posted by londonlad123
I dont see that the z1010 and P990 have similar issues. I'd say the z1010 was SE getting used to 3G and sorting out any network teething problems. I dont thing there is anything wrong with the P990. If they have fixed UIQ3 for a future device, they've fixed it for the P990. As for the future, I'd say the M600 will get Wifi and the W950 a camera. Maybe no more P series.
Posted by tindo196
well if u mean specs wise by another uiq symbian device then i think probably but if its in general then i think it happened when the HTC TyTN was released
Posted by malbry
>> I totally agree, none of the recent purchasers would be pleased at all.<<
I'm a recent purchaser and I'm *very* pleased.
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Posted by psikey
Am I missing something ? I'm very pleased with the P990i. Still think it should have had to old style jog dial and as its new their are bugs to iron out but apart from that its great. Camera quality is perfect for a phone. Need TomTom to port GPS software though.
Posted by smartman82
I am very pleased with my P990 too. Before I bought it I was worried about all the negative post, but Sony has been working hard to get their flagship product perfect. So far to me it's perfect. I own a Kjam and i would never consider buying the TyTn just because they added 3G, I live in Canada and we don't even have 3G. But I don't think they will do that, as with the Z1010, I think that everything that is wrong with the phone can be fixed with updates. Well lets hope they don't pull a Z1010.
Posted by gizmo1
But a P1000 would be awesome.
Posted by adhussain
Wish I could agree but my P990 has felt like an older generation phone from the day i bought it, it's way too chunky.
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Posted by Jah
1. There are no WM5 or Symbian devices with a similar spec to the P990 (remember it has a touch screen and FM radio as well as other Smartphone functions). For me it works well and I like it
2. There are some features it does not have, like EDGE, HSDPA and integrated GPS
3. I wouldn't care if SE bought a P1000 in 2 months, I would just buy it, well unless the Nokia 9500 successor was out and it had a touch screen .....
Posted by mario2004
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You are right about the 'older generation' the day it come out. Is funny to see how SE changed over the last few years, from a top class hi quality cell manufacturer to a money making one (or at least trying to make), just like the other cell companies. They concentrate at 'mass models' as Nokia used to do (and still does), and gives a damn about quality and customers. I remember the headlines when SE appeared on the scene 'Nokia watch out', 'Nokia gets real competition' etc, etc. and now . . . they are selling crap up and down the spectrum just like the others. They should immediately withdraw the P990, apologize to the world, invest in R&D and bring out a P1000 before Christmas - without any bugs and with the latest hi-tech as they have done in the ground braking P-series before this crap come out. Also that keypad should be only implemented on the flip and the screen made bigger !
Posted by darky
I'm gonna praise the tytn, I know I know but it's just how good the device is, it has all the connections available and upcoming, and it was exactly what my 'idea' of the p990 was gonna be when it was announced, I even holded off and waited to get a p990 to try it before I bought the tytn, to me the tytn in a p990 design is the perfect phone (for now
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my complaints are the microsd 'currently max 2 gb' phones should have at least 4-8 gb storage by now, I had 2 gb last year in my k750, and lack of radio, but that I make up with mp3's and internet radio/tv on the tytn works like a charm, with wifi hotspots popping up all around it makes a difference, I also wanted an integrated gps but then that would kill the battery so I guess a bluetooth one in my car would be a much better alternative at the moment till they design more efficient batteries in the future.
In the past S.E. flagship phones always broke the barrier, they introduced bluetooth for instance, let's hope they get back to that tradition.
Posted by MYB87
there is always a replacement thats for sure but not that soon and i dont think they will even announce it this year I mean why would they want to cut their sales on the phone I see no point in that the phone is great with lots of features and I don’t think after 10 months of hard work to get it to where it is now to kill it for a 3 month of sales my thoughts are that they will probably announce another one in Q2 2007 starts sales late Q3 early Q4 so u have one year from now to enjoy the p990
I've always felt that the z1010 was just an experiment by sony ericsson
I suggest that if u like the Pxxx and the p990 has everything u need then just go for it don’t wait too long
Posted by SL33PYH34D
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You don't half come out with some rubbish. SE is a business. As a business it is their goal to make money pure and simple. When they first started out both Ericsson and to an extent Sony were in trouble in the mobile market. Over the last few years they have turned things around brilliantly and are not only profitable, but produce a range of top quality phones.
Looking at SE's current line up most are higher end devices and their approch has always been quite simple - produce and sell higher end phones which make significantly more margin than Nokia can manage. The SE range is pretty clear with defined market segments rather than the sometimes bizarre scattergun approach Nokia seem to use.
I can't think of any other phone manufacturer who produce such a consistently high quality top end phone line up than SE themselves.
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Can I have some of whatever you are smoking? That simply isn't going to happen.
Many of us with the P990i are very happy with it. I also think the consensus is that the keypad is much better on the phone than as on the flimsy flip like on the P910i. I'm also perfectly happy with the screen size thanks.
Posted by vivid white
why as soon as a phone arrives which people have been waiting on for months on end, do threads like this get made which slates the phone and they talk about the next up and coming phone, which is going to be bigger and better...............the P990 has only been out a few days give it chance.
Posted by MYB87
coz most of the didnt get the p990 yet :/
Posted by swainy666
@sep990i Maybe it's because the p990i is an old phone already!which indeed it is, due to it's extremely postponed release.this is the reason i've retained my p910i.frankly, i wouldn't spend money on old rope.
This message was posted from a P910i
Posted by vivid white
it isnt old rope though......okay its been in the pipe line for a long time but it still has alot more features than the P910i and in my opinion i feel there are quite a few changes which warrants upgrading. Still has. alot more than most phones being brought to the market
Posted by tindo196
i really think SE should announce the p1000 now becoz going by the p990 experience i think they will release it sometime this time next year which aint that bad that is if its not delayed
Posted by spine6
If they will released the "p1000" maybe they already fixed the p990i then because the P1000 will durely used a newer version of OS. In symbian.com they said that you can upgrade the 9.1 to 9.3...
Posted by irdawood
whats the differance between symbian 9.1 and 9.2 anyone know?
Posted by goldenface
Like is to be expected, the P990i will have its initial bugs and it doesn't have to be a really high end phone for this to happen. Remember the early days of the K750i?
At least
have always been able to provide updates to iron out these bugs, whereas until very recently, if you bought a buggy Nokia, you were stuck with the bugs and issues. The K750i is still near the top of the sales charts and has turned out to be a very successful well-rounded device - which is I am sure what the P990i will become.
Oh, and
is a business and is out to make money. If it didn't it would sink and there would be no more cutting edge devices and handsets like the K800i - people have really took to.
Posted by *Jojo*
Not until late early or mid 2008 I guess . . .
Posted by sunnychad
There has been talk of a higher level phone than the P990i and a lower level one. Maybe it won't be a replacement but an expansion of the range. Personally I would say the W950 & M600 are an expansion as they are UIQ phones and aimed at different market sectors, such as entertainment and messaging, whilst the P990i is an all encompassing powerhouse.
There are lots of areas where we could all suggest improvements, not just to make the phone better as from my limited exposure and that of the people I have spoken to, they are very happy with the handset. It is more a case of bringing it up-to-date or possibly beyond what is available at present. Future proofing it for about 1 month
Posted by mario2004
@Sunnychad In the previous post you said 'clearly people are very happy with the phone' refering to the P990i 'powerhouse'. Are you trying to be sarcastic or what?
This message was posted from a N70-1
Posted by locoworks
@mario2004, watch out for Bowser 2006
Posted by sunnychad
@mario2004
No sarcasm, but I feel you might not agree with the opinions I have been given, what do you think?
Also to stay on the topic, do you think it will be superceded sooner than the standard lifecycle?
Posted by mario2004
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Buddy, in principe I agree with you, on the other hand, after reading the 'official' specs of the just announced N95, I find the topic of this tread 'spot on'
Posted by ares
N95 still has no touchscreen or kwerty keyboard...id rather look to HTC offers has the main competition for P990 and sucessors...
Posted by sunnychad
But the N95 does offer a lot in a very handy package.
SE will have to wake up and smell the coffee and hit back hard. I look forward to SE's offering and I guess they are due to announce the forthcoming phones soon. In line with the announcement of the P990i in October last year, we might get a timely update of things to come within the next month.
I see someone has a thread talking about your ideal P1000, so I am not alone to think it will be IMPROVED, just a case of when.
Posted by jj03
"assuming" there will be a p1000..its all guess work rumour's, ifs and when's..as per normal. Someone will Invent one on photoshop, no doubt, then there will be a 100 page long thread on esato about it...only to find it's all garbage..its always the way...
Nokia don't really do touchscreen, hence why there are so few from them about..i believe, with s60, the idea is to use the device's with one hand while on the go, and for the majority of the s60 device's, you can do just that.
The p series smartphones are buisness phones, so you cant really say that other phones dont match it's spec (in generality's) because thats simply unfair. Other handsets arent particularly aimed toward buisness user's...alot of you guy's already own the p990i because you dig the series in general, and it is up there with the best (albeit its late arrival)...