Posted by karl.othen
i have read that other sony ericsson phones can connect to a isp via bluetooth and a home/office pc/laptop
can this be done on the new k800???
thanks for any help, karl
Posted by darky
if I understood you correctly,
technicly you can create a network via your bluetooth and surf the net on your phone by using the internet connection from your computer,
as I said 'technicly' it should work but never tried it and I doubt the phone will allow it.
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Posted by jiteshraj
You can try the new feature bluetooth PAN. Check under ur settings menu. This will allow you to use ur adsl connection to access sites on ur phone. Enjoy! Cheers
Posted by sapporobaby
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Sounds like a drive-by explanation. Why don't you elaborate a bit more and tell if you have done this. To the best of my knowledge I do not think it is possible. So for a more clear understanding, explain where these new settings are and how to implement them.
Posted by jiteshraj
I do not have a k800, but from my understanding and other people over at mobile-review forums, Bluetooth PAN does allow you to connect on ur phone using ur PC connection. Go to Settings>Bluetooth and see if it's there. Do sum research dude. It's a feature of all new sony ericsson phones.
Posted by Pelican
@karl.othen
What you want you can find here: http://users.skynet.be/yozy/tutorials/k750-1.htm
should work for all se phones
Posted by peanut
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So let's have a full explanation then - you sound quite knowledgeable about it.
I have PAN on my bluetooth and it's doesn't recognise the phone as a client or server. And as far as I can see from my Toshiba help docs it won't do simply because the service is there.
Posted by sapporobaby
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Thank you. My sentiments exactly. It was his solution to offer so he should explain it. To tell me to do the research is, well, stupid. If he offered the solution then he should back it up with how it works. I have a SE w810, k600i and I do not seem to be able to find the PAN setting there. Not to say they are not there but I can not seem to find them. If our resident expert on PAN solutions can explain this, then by all means. Enlighten us, because up to now you have not shown jack.
Posted by peanut
I have found some information from a friend who says that the PAN implementation is for the auto Bluetooth Internet setting.
With the k800 you don't have to set up dial up information for internet via BT or USB if you use the phone as a modem - it's all inside.
I think people are getting confused and think it means you can access the internet on the phone using this implementation.
I think I'll try out the SE SDK route explained earlier on.
Posted by jiteshraj
Hey guys. I don't mean to be unclear. The problem is I don't have a k800 so I can't be very specific. My reason for posting is that I wanted to let you guys know that it is possible to use bluetooth PAN to access ur computers internet connection on ur phone. I will post the link to the relevant thread from the mobile-review forums as soon as I can access it. Right now, their servers are down. This new feature is only possible on all NEW phones supporting bluetooth V2 (k800, k610, m600). It will not work on a w810.
Posted by max_wedge
It's claimed in the SE whitepaper for K800:
"Bluetooth™ PAN
Connect the phone to Internet using Bluetooth™"
Either that's phenomonenly bad grammer, or K800 can use the PAN profile to connect to the internet
Posted by awave
right...yes from what i've heard the Bluetooth PAN service (not sure what it stands for), is for using the computers internet connection (broadband(adsl/cable etc) or dial-up(however you get it
)) to use for browsing the net on your phone.
my question is, is it possible to add this feature to older
phones, or smartphones running symbian/palm os(not really interested in windows smartphones tbh )?
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EDIT - the SE Java SDK route does work on the older phones...dunno about k800i yet though
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Posted by E-Demon
Might be useful:
http://users.skynet.be/yozy/tutorials/k750-1.htm
Posted by max_wedge
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Personal Area Network. not possible to enable on older phones. It doesn't matter whether it's a smartphone or not. It either has PAN or it doesn't.
btw, I'd more than happily use a WM5.0 device, have better software to choose from, and have a smaller device (seen xda mini?).
Posted by karl.othen
well i have spent the last hour trying to get it to work??
can't seem to get any of my com ports to connect to my k800 via my bluetooth dongal
any more info regarding set up on the k800?
Posted by max_wedge
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get what to work? Com ports has nothing to do with bluetooth PAN.
If you are talking about PAN, you need a dongle that supports PAN (most) and you need to connect the PAN service on the copmputer to the PAN service on your phone. Nothing to do with com ports. Com ports are for setting up virtual serial connections.
Posted by karl.othen
sorry, when following this link http://users.skynet.be/yozy/tutorials/k750-1.htm
it asks to enter the com port your bluetooth dongal is connected too and then change the baud rate.
looks like my post is over most peoples heads, unless some one cares to share some info???????
Posted by max_wedge
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it's not over our heads mate. You asked about a K800 connection to the internet through the computer. Well as it happens there are two methods. The device explorer method in the link you posted, and the method that uses Bluetooth PAN. Both should be possible with K800. The Bluetooth PAN method is likely to be a lot simpler to use than the Device Explorer method, so you should be looking at this method first. The bluetooth PAN method has nothing to do with the device explorer method so com ports aren't relavent.
HOWEVER, if you really want to try the device explorer method, then it should also work.
When you get to the point of specifying the com port, have you actually checked the com port in your bluetooth settings?
The com port (serial port) for your bluetooth dongle is the com port you need.
Can you see the serial ports in bluetooth settings or are they absent? Can you send files between the phone and computer using bluetooth normally? Can you access the serial ports using My Phone Explorer or similar?
Answers to these questions might help us narrow down the problem.
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Posted by shyam335
I see something like this in my bt dongle driver
I use my adsl over my ethernet ,so maybe enabling access to ethernet card will give a chance to use the internet?
I dont have a k800,so i cant try it.
Posted by max_wedge
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That means the Computer then provides an ip address to the connected bluetooth device that has PAN. In other words create a network connection. Presumably the K800 internet profile can use or be told to use the bluetooth PAN as the gateway for internet. Then when you access the internal phone browser, it will use the bluetooth pan network instead of the gprs.
But I haven't actually seen this done yet - we are relying on the fact SE say you can do it. I am dead keen to try but probably won't get a hold of a K800 for a little while yet.
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Quick question Max, any idea how to make this work on a Mac? Our BT is already active and does not need any special setup. Just connect and go. Also, when I connect the cable it seems to connect to the Internet or attempts to.
Posted by max_wedge
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It's not the bluetooth on the computer side that is in question as such. A PC is capable of providing bluetooth PAN services when the adapters supports the PAN profile. Windows XP SP2 supports Bluetooth PAN natively.
The question is whether the K800 itself can use the it's own Bluetooth PAN client to establish a network connection that the internal browser will use instead of the mobile data account. Have a look in the internet profile on the K800 and see if it has the ability to select Bluetooth PAN as the data carrier, or something along those lines. If you can it should then attempt to use your mac as the data gateway.
It would also be interesting if you could access network shares via the pan, ie: use the K800 to browse your network! I am VERY interested in that functionality.
Posted by emanuelj
No info here?
Posted by max_wedge
you tell me....is it possible to select bluetooth pan for data on the K800 handsets? In internet profile settings or data account settings - I presume in the connectivity menu.
Work with me here...I don't have the handset, you need to be my eyes
Posted by emanuelj
And I don't have bluetooth at this time, as I am on vacation...
Can't see any options about using PAN under the data accounts
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Posted by max_wedge
hmmmm, maybe this whole connect to the internet is smoke and mirrors by SE. Maybe they really only mean that you can connect a computer to the internet via the phone PAN, though this is only a mild improvement over using the bluetooth gprs modem over bluetooth.
Posted by ares
In my-symbian forum there is a thread about setting up a bluetooth PAN connection on M600 - it should work also for k800
Posted by senninha
in the K800's BT menu, there is an item called Bluetooth Internet on the list. when you click on this, it just gives you a choice of which data account you want to use to access the internet.
therefore, i take it that the phone simplifies the process of using it as a modem for your computer but not the other way around.
Posted by max_wedge
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not necessarily. M600 is a smart phone, K800 is not. Smartphone traditionally have LAN services built in or third party solutions are available so it's no big step. K800 however may not be so flexible.
This is the section in question that makes the M600 work, we need to make these same settings if possible on the K800:
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There is also this option mentioned later inthe thread:
"Create in the phone a new Bluetooth™ Local account [PAN]. " suggesting when creating accounts, you can select PAN.
If the K800 has those same options, then I'd say we are in business.
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Posted by ares
max, what SE intended when adding BT PAN to both M600 and k800 is exactly the same, you just have to read the withepaper to realize that
Posted by max_wedge
but the question is how to make the K800 work. Peeps have come here saying they can't get it to work.
I wasn't saying that K800 can't do it, just that the steps may be different in setting it up compared to the M600. The link you provided doesn't help squat in setting up the K800, unless the sections I quoted are relevant to the K800. I posted the quotes so peeps can check if their K800's have the same or similar menu options available.
I actually mentioned the white paper somewhere earlier in this thread (1st page) about the K800 supporting lan access to internet via PAN, so it's not me you have to convince.
If I had the phone in my hand I'm sure I could tell these peeps exactly how to set it up - these things are usually self explanatory when you have an understanding of the generic process.
Some people mentioned that it doesn't work, so as a kind of disclaimer I did say that SE MAY be smoke and mirrors but I wasn't saying I believe that - it was just a disclaimer. I fully believe the K800 will allow access to internet via lan on pan. It's other peeps in this thread who are the doubting thomases.
Maybe you ares can find a K800 and tell us all what the settings are?
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Posted by ares
i also don´t have a k800, so i can´t help people...but i also saw initialy people saying it wouldn´t work on M600...
Posted by max_wedge
I'm pretty confident it'll work too.
However let's not forget SE aren't always that clear or informative in their white papers. Remember they claimed in the whitepaper for K750:
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Now if peeps didn't read that carefully they would only see "USB Mass Storage", which is not technically true. It infers that the device is Mass Storage Device compliant. That's what I mean about smoke and mirrors. However SE do say that drivers are needed, likewise the K800 whitepaper clearly says "Bluetooth™ PAN
Connect the phone to Internet using Bluetooth™"
So I'm presuming at this stage that it will work.
Posted by max_wedge
It says this in the K800 user guide under the section about what you can do with bluetooth:
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As far as I'm concerned it's official, it can do it. So you peeps who are trying, keep trying
One thing is you'll need to enable Internet Connection Sharing on your windows box to enable it as an internet gateway for PAN clients, (that means you may have problems with your network unless you know how to work around it).
Posted by BuJasim
I know you guy are talking about using the internet connection to browse with the phone, but is anyone else beside me having problems connecting their laptops to their K800i GPRS connections?
It used to work fine with the K700, but doesn't work with the K800, and I have a feeling it may be because of the BT modem script. Which one is optimal for the K800, is it "SE Modem over Bluetooth link"? There are scripts for all other SE models, but not for K800i. Any advice? Or any particular thing I might be missing to use the phone's GPRS connection to connect with the laptop?
I'm on a 3G area but want to connect GPRS.
Posted by peanut
Your question illustrates where this connect to internet thing has gone a bit off track. The pan is for simplifying the phone connection to the internet as a modem. depending on whether you choose usb or bluetooth internet connection there are no settings or modem scripts needed on you pc. i've been using both for weeks you simply plug in or choose pan and you're away as soon as you open a browser
Posted by BuJasim
Hmm, do you use the PC Suite/Mobile Connection Wizard to achieve that, or you simply turn on BT on the phone and Laptop and then simply browse? I checked the BT settings and found the BT Internet settings and directed it to the GPRS account configured on the phone, but there must be something missing after that. I used to use the Mobile Connection Wizard before to connect with the K700 and assumed it's the same with the K800.
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you must enable the pan service on the computer.
Posted by peanut
You don't need to use mobile connection wizard. On the phone you tell the USB and Bluetooth internet settings which data account you want to use. Then for bluetooth you enable the PAN profile on the PC or for USB you simply plug it in. Then as soon as you connect by either PAN or USB your internet requests will go via the phone.
Dead simple and that is what the USB/BT internet connection is for not browsing the web on your phone via the cable or BT as seems to be popular opinion.
Posted by max_wedge
actually, SE do specifically state in the K800 whitepaper that the K800 can access the internet on a pc by using bluetooth. It also says a computer can use bluettoh pan to access the phone's gprs, so it seems they are tlaking about both, not just one or the other.
Posted by peanut
If we were meant to be able to do it, it would work without having to faff about with the sdk. I think it's more likely a badly worded paragraph. The nets wouldn't like it and they're locking wifi out on some. Ericsson aren't going to allow sonyericsson to damage a relationship with nets are they?
Posted by max_wedge
no, no, no...the sdk method is too fiddly, there is a better way with the K800. The K800 supports bluetooth pan ie: it can act as a dhcp client via bluetooth, so you enable bluetooth pan on your computer and share the internet, it can be used by the phone.
Nothing to do with the SDK, that only applies to K750 etc which don't have bluetooth PAN.
Posted by sapporobaby
Hey Max are you talking about making a BT connection to the phone via the computer and then using the 3G/GPRS connection to surf the web? If so, I have done this plenty of times. IN fact there is a piece of software from NovaMedia that makes this set up very easy. Works 10000000000% of the time, every time.
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No, I'm talking about making the internet profile on the K800 use the pan bluetooth connection to access the internet connection on a computer. If this is possible, as SE say it is, then you will be able to browse the web with the K800's inbuilt browser using the internet connection on the computer. The exact opposite of what you are talking about. I've been using my phone as a gprs modem since the T610..
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Posted by speedyandre
Hi guys
The English manual for the K750 is a translation of my dutch manual and I've based it on the efforts Maxwedge when he got it working on a T610
The K800 white paper tells "connect the phone to the internet using bluetooth" so I think this couldn't be misunderstood
Also you could make a new data connection using bluetooth and I suppose a PAN connection is available according to the manual.
I don't have a K800, else it would be working right now because my bluetooth dongle has PAN support
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Posted by sapporobaby
Found this: http://knowledgebase.sonyeric[....]etwork&resultType=5002#Goto177
A bit long but it works.
Posted by kryptonite
sounds cool, It sounds like this PAN function works, but peeps need to find out if the BT on their computers support the service. I think its great that SE have added this to there general phones as this would be used to suf the net whist someone is using the computer for free. Almost like Wifi (Cant wait for P990)
Oh and its good to use the computers mic and speakers via the BT connection whist on the phone instead of using the phone, its a much better loud speaker.
BT on computers should stream music too if the service is there.
Posted by max_wedge
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Yep, that info is from the white papers. The K800 whitepaper says exactly the same thing:
"Bluetooth™ PAN:
Connect the phone to Internet using Bluetooth™." I quoted it several post's back.
I think we've well and truly established that SE intend the K800 to be able to connect to the internet through a computer, the question is how...
Posted by speedyandre
Maybe it's interesting to post which BT dongles support PAN.
I've got 2 class 1 dongles, the oldest one is an Air2u bt1.2 dongle and using Widcomm 5.x drivers it has PAN support.
My newest dongle is the Cellink BTA-6030 bt2.0 supporting everything you could think of including edr (2-3Mb/s data rate).
This dongle can work with Toshiba or Widcomm drivers (has Toshiba chip).
I can setup a PAN network between these dongles so that's enough proof for me
André