Posted by kgtjan
P990 is not yet out. But I guess it's not too early to start discussing our wishes for the successor of the P990 - maybe it's even too late to influence the design of the successor but I thought it would be interesting to identify our common wishes. Who knows SE may reflect it in their future P series if this group come up with some specific and convincing recommendations.
I am not good at programming so I wonder if someone can write http code and post here for casting votes and collecting the results. I will try to list some examples below. Suggest if you have other idea.
1. Physcial size
a. height (p990 is 114mm) - how much shorter?
- okay with current height
- 5mm
- 10mm
- 15mm
- 20mm
- 25mm
b. width (p990 is 57mm) - how much narrower?
- okay with current width
- 2mm
- 4mm
- 6mm
- 8mm
- 10mm
c. depth (p990 is 26mm) - how much shallow?
- okay with current depth
- 2mm
- 4mm
- 6mm
- 8mm
- 10mm
- thinest as possible
2. Camera(current 2MP)
- okay with current one
- 3.2M
- 5M , I can afford additional cost of up to:
.$50
.$100
.$150
.$200
- beyond
- don't care
3. Video - current QVGA (320x240)? 16fps?
- okay with current resolution
- VGA with 32fps
- beyond
- don't care
4. QWERTY keyboard
- want
.on Body
.on Flip
.don't care where
- don't want
- don't care
5. GPS function
- a must
- don't care
6. Please suggest other categories (body color etc)
I would personally vote for
height - 15mm
width - 4mm
depth - 6mm
camera - 5MP - I can afford up to US$150 more to pay for it (I think it's technically feasible to integrate 5MP in the size I wished above. Here is the math: The volume of Samsung P300 phone is about 42CC which has 1.3MP camera with BT among other functions. The volume of Sony DSC-T7 is about 82CC which is 5MP camera. The total volume for the two is only about 124CC - yet it's got two LCD pannels, two batteries and other redundancies. P990 is about 168CC. IMHO if SE cannot reduce the volume (even with 5MP) to my wishes or close to it, their design team is not doing its homework)
Phones are becoming smaller and lighter but P series has not been evolved in terms of volume and weight. Although additonal functions
have been added in the P successor models, other phone companies has been doing the same thing yet reduces physical sizes. I personally do not really wish the size of LCD panel being shrinked but still a few millimeters can be reduced width-wise and more for the height and even more for the thickness.
BTW, P990 seems already obsolete in some performance - e.g., Nokia N93 has 3.2MP and VGA video with 32fps with 3x optical zoom 802.11b/g TV-OUT among others. I watched the video taken with N93 and it seemed like professional one.
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Posted by mustafabay
I'd say
Same hieght, 2mm less width or maybe not and 6mm less depth. 3.2MP QVGA [B]30[\\B]fps.
Your idea about merging the camera and phone reulting is nomething smaller than the P990 isn't accurate and wouldn't exactly work.
Posted by PeterKay
I just want
to release one phone as thin as the Motorola's.
Please
its about time we had one.
Posted by Waka
The main thing that is missing from the P990 (and all SE phones AFAIK) is GPS.
For the love of God - PLEASE inclusde GPS in the next P series phone!
W.
Posted by energetic
I think its too early anyway for the P1000 new design (I think)!
Posted by shaliron
I agree with peterkay. Make it thin! And SE does need one, apart from the W950 and M600 which are not mass market phones, to satisfy the public's need.
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Posted by kgtjan
@energetic
I guess SE may have already started initial design of the successor - initial decision of what functions to be upgraded and what new functions to be included. In parallel the design artists may have already started playing twicking p990 into different shapes. It should take months before they can come up with a prototype. Does anyone have practical experience in phone design industry?
BTW, I updated my orig post at the top with others' opinion.
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Posted by pikey100
I still don't see why a business phone should have a camera. Dump it. IR?, Dump it. Poncy headphone sockets?. It's got BT, dump it. In fact, by the time teh P100 would be out, Wi-fi will have completely taken over. Dump the BT too! GPS could be built into a car holder. It's not needed on the main phone. Complicated "power" socket? Dump it. the bloomin phone costs over £400. You can afford to make on lousy special connector (still for a standard SE charger of course!).
Trim the fat, and it could be a great looking, slimline, powerpacked masterpiece.
Posted by arvinlad
Pikey - why do you label it 'a business phone' ? - I think P-series are brilliant phones - nothing to do with business useage. - in fact hardy use phone features at all LOL
Posted by pikey100
I didn't. SE did. I just happen to agree with them!
Anyway, if a camera is so desperately needed, they can always do a plug-in one.....
Posted by ambyzown
The P990 is fine as it is, but a better camera say 3.2MP, better video quality, a little less bulk, and it'll be perfect.
Posted by daloon
kgtjan, where did you get that video the N93 recorded? That's probably going to be my next phone so I'm quiet interested to check it out..
As for the P series.. I think that the size is ok as it is.. The N93 you mentioned is actually bigger AND heavier! Without it making the phone any less usefull I suppose.
Posted by kgtjan
Regarding the Nokia N93 video, I found it at gsmarena.com under Nokia N93. Here is the original msg postd on April 26:
"anyone wanna see video recorded by the nokia n93 ? then click this link http://62.61.85.73/nstudio_ws/...ng_space.wmv , but pls remember that the video is meant for streaming , so this is not the highest quality u can get out of it , and this is recorded using a prototype"
if the http link above is not working, try this:
http://62.61.85.73/nstudio_ws[....]ndows/brief1_amazing_space.wmv
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Posted by daloon
Thanks.
That wasn't bad at all... but not exactlty DVD quality. Hope Nokia'll keep their promise in the final device.
Posted by shaliron
What is the video recording of the P990 anyway?
Posted by kgtjan
Up to 320  240 pixels and 15fps, according to the review article in the mobile-review.com
Posted by origami2002
I don't think of P9xx as a bussiness phone, I'd like to see it as the vision of what a smartphone must be. I should be a handheld device to keep you connected, therefore:
Sound/Video/Image quality IS important
PDA functions are essencial.
GPS is a very nice touch
I know is a contradiction, but I'd also like extended battery life
QWERTY is disposable, I prefer to write directly on the screen, I prefer bigger screen than fancy keyboards.
Just to comment, when I was in college, I used to have in my belt a Casio 9850x calc, a Nec 'Brick'phone and a Palm IIIx (yes, what a nerd!). P910 (and the fact I'm no longer in college
) allowed me to have one, small brick in my pocket. It is 1/4 size and about 1/8 size my old Nec Cell phone
Answering the poll:
1. Physcial size
Thinner = better, but current size is ok
2. Camera(current 2MP)
- 5M , I can afford additional cost of up to:
.$150
3. Video - current QVGA (320x240)? 16fps?
- VGA with 32fps
4. QWERTY keyboard
- don't care
5. GPS function
- a must
Posted by Nitro Fan
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The camera is critical to the business card scanner! a real time saver so I say lets keep it.
The headphone socket is crucial to enable us to listen to music in stereo for a decent length of time! BT headsets are OK but make you look like a complete and utter muppet walking about in them!!!! and they eat batterys like no tomorrow.
Wi Fi is great feature but will kill battery life the most important thing to be included in the P990 is a decent battery & a quality build please
!!!, forget the P1000, if can discontinue its "flagship P910" before the P990 is even released! they are not going to be rushing a so called P1000 out to the market P1000 = VAPOUR PHONE!!!!
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Posted by g4dg3tfr34k
The P990 is clearly too late. It was under spec'd to begin with.
Compare it to the O2 XDA II (which has been obsolete for a year):
phone: P990 XDA II
processor: 208 ARM 400Mhz XScale
screen size: 240 x 320 640 x 480
colour depth: 64Bit 64 Bit
camera: 2 Mega 1.3 Mega
WiFi: 802.11 b 802.11b
internal memory: 80MB 128MB
keyboard optional? NO YES (3rd party)
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• Lose the IR port. Bluetooth is the way forward.
• Forget the keyboard (designed for an infants fingers).
• use a telescopic stylus.
• 802.11g not b!!
• improve video playback fps.
• always have a 3mm stereo mini-jack.
• gps works better with an external antenna, do not include gps (use time difference)
• all buttons should be mappable
• screen MUST lock when you answer the phone.Your face makes screen keystrokes!
• therefore, buttons for answer and hang-up
• keep 5-way jog dial.
• make keyboard optional !!!
• landscape OR portrait screen format (UIQ 3)
• metal housing (new iPod nano's have)
• The GPU wil take pressure of the ARM, but 208 Mhz?! I know there is a lot of questions about al this: whether a seemingly slower processor can be faster overall.
• an iTunes partnership could be beneficial to many users. It would be nice to sync to a PC music library and have an auto-reformat/ opitmisation for viewing films, as well as music download via WiFi and 3G as is already in use on other SE models.
• A good camera IS essential for a business phone: don't forget professionals like: quantity surveyors, designers, architects, builders, etc. The OCR for business cards could easily be adapted for OCR of many different things. Reference books at the library for example.
• Sony has been using motion sensitive switches on devices like cameras which can sense the orientation of the screen and can be used by shaking the device. This could be used for a different input like denying a call, or deleting a message.
• I would like to be able to use my phone to do 3D sketches with some basic editing tools for technical drawings. The Java 3D engine is capable of being used for this.
• I use a P910i. It can be slow at times when using multiple apps. or during music playback while composing messages. I'm not impressed with the P990. I wish my P910 had some of the P990 features: like WiFi and a better camera with lense cover and light. That would have been enough for me to upgrade my p910i.
• The P990 seems to be a case of one step forward and two steps back: removing features that were very useful and replacing them with not so useful alternatives.
• The delay to market has been so excessive that it's already obsolete. Now the P990 sucessor will be delayed while they ship these awful phones out to us. We're not that naive SE. I don't HAVE to replace my P910, so I won't. Too bad, since I have the cash to change...
Posted by Jah
@g4dg3tfr34k
BUT
The O2 XDA is not a 3G device, this is a big difference and it does not have persistent memory, again a really big technical difference.
Posted by Residentevil
You just can't pack lot of features into thin air. Everybody wants a tiny phone with a big screen and a lotta features just not possible. P series size is ok in my opinion.
Posted by Miss UK
Id say the P990i is at its end and that the P series will be replaced by the M610i possibley next btw a upto date camera would be good for the next SE smart.
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Posted by mario2004
Did any of you hear of "trinity' - TyTN's successor ? Has got most of the features you chaps ask for. On the other hand, if you want a phone more then a palmtop, have a look at the N73. Off course, if you are 'stuck' to one brand only, you may lose out big time. Trinity is my next cell :D
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Posted by locoworks
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i agree with the power socket part and to some extent the IR but thats about it.
i don't consider the P series business phones, more like phones that can be very useful to a business person but not exclusively. keep the camera but make it 3 or 4 mpx, make the video a quality item like samsungs or nokia N93. have a PROPER flash too. headphone socket is a must for media listening. BT and WIFI keep, GPS? built in would be nice but a third party receiver over BT is acceptable.Not all people use GPS in a car so GPS cradles are not everyones answer. hikers, pushbikes, etc. a great use for GPS is if you attend a big event with acres of cars or motorbikes parked. setting your parking space as a favourite is a great way of finding your vehicle 8 hours later. loose the Qwerty on the main phone, put it back on the flip and give us a huge screen with either the 5 way jog dial back OR one of those thumb pad things as on the 990 flip outer below a slightly bigger screen than is current. so it looks similar to an N80 if you remove the flip and have the same flip front as a 990. that way flip on or off you have a thumb pad to navigate with.
on a down side, to cram all this into a smaller package or even the same you can bet your first born that a new P series phone will use the new tiny duo cards and not the ones we all have now.
Posted by g4dg3tfr34k
• Has anyone heard rumours about Apple releasing a touchscreen based device? There are several patents and a deal with Samsung (or another manufacturer) for touch screens already being filled.
• To me it seems that SE is losing interest in the P series phones. This is going to be a mistake, especially if Apple releases a tablet (Newton-esque) video iPod. You'll see. Then other manufacturer's will jump on the band wagon.
• Everytime I pull out my P910i there is someone who is fascinated and wants one. A better marketing push would bump the sales and kerpow- SE injects more cash into P series development... Dream on I guess.
Posted by locoworks
I take it all back , the Nokia N95 seems to be my ideal 'P' series phone.without touch screen i assume. COME ON SE, get your act together or sell ot to NOKIA.
Posted by g4dg3tfr34k
Not wishing to sound rude, but this is meant to be a thread discussing "P1000" design. In other words suggestions and debate about features, form factor, and other matters relating to product design.
Perhaps we could restrict our comments to comparisons and explanations as to why you prefer a phone over another, rather than just "big upping" your favourite brand.