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Can Any Body open the other 30M locked Memory of K500? |
zhowhui
Joined: Jan 11, 2005
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K500 has the same size memo of k700. But it is locked. Can we find some way to open it? | |
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govigov
Joined: Jul 30, 2004
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No, it does not.
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gbrooks3
Joined: Jun 02, 2003
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@zhowhui
when you come here and post something like that, you really do need to provide some kind of evidence of where you heard about this "locked Memory" otherwise no one will take you seriously.
Because the platform sends bogus messages while charging, that is why!!!..But why this change of heart?..We sense a charger connected, oops, we will not shut down after all!!!..*********************** UI BASIC, HOLD YOUR HORSES
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zhowhui
Joined: Jan 11, 2005
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Well.... look this
http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]archive/index.php/t-17336.html
they had discussed ! but got no answer . |
govigov
Joined: Jul 30, 2004
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what are you trying to do? stress my point? 
and hell! you might even get bluetooth! 
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hragsarkissian
Joined: Apr 25, 2003
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I think he may be right but i duno about the 30Mb.
Don't you remember the T68m and the T68i.
When u upgrade ur T68m to T68i, you have 1Mb.
But i am not sure for the K500.
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blackspot
Joined: Sep 06, 2004
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Wouldn't it make SE look stupid if they did that? What possible logic would justify that?
from the forum you mentioned:
"it says phone type k500i total memory 524284 free memory 424430"
what is the unit? Bytes? Kilobytes? How did the author of that thread ever came up with 52 MB or 42MB from those figures?
If those figures are in bytes then that would be 512 KB and 414 KB respectively. If the units are in Kilobytes then It should be 512 MB and 414 MB respectively. Both are obviously ridiculous and erroneous.
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shyam335
Joined: May 25, 2004
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i rememeber someone here had already flashed k500 with k700 fw and also with s700 fw.i cant find that thread atm |
vee
Joined: Jun 22, 2004
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there is no 30MB extra memory in K500 (double check that post and exactly what that guy on the other forum wrote how much free memory), and you can not flash K500 with K700 or S700 firmware, same platform , different memory maps. Only K700 works with K500 firmware  .
[ This Message was edited by: vee on 2005-01-11 06:42 ] |
clank
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Dont know wat those figures are but they dont refer to phone memory. Most of the sony ericsson phones i.e. k500,k700,s700,v800 display the same figures so maybe its somethin to do with se's java implementation. |
hazart
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
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blackspot said it. The '52 MB' memory is nonsense. 524284 is approximately 512 KB and it is the phone RAM, not flash memory. |
janahan
Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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"it says phone type k500i total memory 524284 free memory 424430"
This is to do with the memory available to JAVA applications when running, and has NOTHING to do with the actual phone memory.
The clue is the person on that forum was running a Java App. lets have a quick description of JAVA, before I answer what the above means.
Java is a platform developed by Sun Microsystems which runs applications in something called a Virtual Machine. A virtual Machine is a "fake device" which doesnt really exist, but only exists in the firmware/software of a realdevice. The real device emulates this fake machine in software. It doesnt matter if the real device is a Pentium 4 PC, a Apple Mac, a PDA, a smartphone, a Normal Cellphone, or even a watch. IN theory this means that developers only have to make a software for this one "fake machine" and it will run on any machine that has a Java VM. A properly written Java app will run on a PC, Apple, Palm, Ericsson, or Nokia. The speed of the app depends on the power of the device.
However, the Java app is "sandboxed" in a way that it cannot see the rest of the device. It can only see what the VM tells it has got. A good example is the T610, which has full polyphonic sound, but the Java VM on it doesnt expose it, so any Java app that uses sound will not proerly work on a T610. Most Java VMs woudl not allow the Java app to send text, or connect to the phonebook for example.
So getting back to the memory issue. In the version of Java implemented for the K500/K700/S700, the SE Java VM allocates approx 512k for the Java application to load itself into, and run from (this is actually VERY generous). the free memory that is displayed is the amount available from that. As you can see, some memory is taken up by the running app, and the rest is availble for the application. This is seperate from the 12MB/40MB STORAGE available, and is part of the working memory of the phone. Remember a Java App cannot see this storage memory.
Finally about the memory available on the phone, you will find that in some ways you are right about more memory available than in shown, but you will find that it is not possible to unlock this extra memory.
Most phones are now like computers. on a computer system there are three types of memory ROM (similar to the firmware) - which contains the Operating System, RAM - very fast memory and is required for running the phone, but items are lost when the phone is powered off, and a Hard disk which is storage, but much slower. Since phoens do not yet have a Hard Disk, some of the ROM (which is in flash memory) is made available for storage.
Take a T610, If i remember rightly, it had a total of 8MB of flash memory, and I think 2 MB of RAM. Up to 3MB or 4MB of the Flash memory is required for the Firmware, and then 2MB of the remaining is then made available as storage. the is still a bit of memory left in the Flash area, but usually that is kept as "spare" to make space for new firmware or to save hidden settings. The 2 MB of RAM is used for running the phone itself, to load up the phones Operating System and its applications as needed. Effiecent usage of this RAM memory, and clever programming can make a phone perform so much better, as less time is spent loading into memory.
It is theoretically possible to make a firmware that strips out a lot of the features of a phone, therefore making it take less space in flash, leaving the option of increaing the storage space (maybe 3MB or 4MB). however, it would mean loosing features, and you are not getting a massive increase anyway.
So going back to the difference between a K700i and a K500, it is very likely the K500 physically has less Flash than the K700. It woudl not make economical sense for SE to cripple a K700 board to make a K500, as the extra memory woudl still need to be paid for. Its one thing crippling features, but not memory.
Incidently, the S700 has slightly less storage space than the K700, despite having similar size flash chips. This is due to more space taken by the OS for things such as Memory Stick access, and the icons for the larger screen.
Sorry if this post is long. |
dietbrand
Joined: Nov 23, 2002
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Excellent post! Well said and right on the money.
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govigov
Joined: Jul 30, 2004
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Thankyou. For your sensible and excellent posting. Clears out a lot of doubts. :-)
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janahan
Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Thank you for your replies! I am glad it cleared the doubts.
I am actually a computer programmer, and I work for a company that is pretty influential in Mobile Technology, which helps!
One more thing, whcih I didnt mention in that last post, it is possible to increase the T610 to have nearly 2.7MB free memory.
To do this, you need to haev a DIV/USB flash cable and get a special stripped down GDFS file, but with this stripped down GDFS file, it removes a lot of the predefined stuff from the phone, and takes it away from the hidden storage too. this alone frees up nearly 700k of memory which is then released to Storage. The problem with that is you will never be able to do a master reset (it will simply crash the phone, as the initialisation script does not exist).
In the same way it is possible to remove some of the predefined crap on the T300/T310 (as well as upgrade the T300 to a T310 - which I have done), to get more free memory.
However, all these tips can seriously break your phone.
Owned (order of purchase): Nok 8110, Nok 6150, Nok 8210, Nok 6210, Eric r320s, Eric T68m, SE T300, SE P800, SE T610, SE S700i, Mot V3i, SE K800i | |
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Posted: 2005-01-11 05:31
