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Sony Ericsson J200 and T290 discussion |
dave_uk
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@O2
Though generally not one to blow my own trumpet, in this case, yes, I am saying I know better than you. I sell phones to businesses for a living, which means that it is my job to understand what the market wants. I daresay you have absolutely no idea and are talking out of your rear end.
If further evidence were needed, the basis of your argument was that I:
"sound like a girl"
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leave it to rest dave_uk
gdluck in ur business.. u got my respect for distrubuting SE phones.. |
kristaga
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If I ask 20 people about what SE-phone they would wish to buy, the result would be something like:
1 S700 5%
2 K700 10%
6 T630 (T610) 30%
1 Z600 5%
1 Z200 5%
2 T310 10%
7 T230 (T290) 35%
But if I just check the phones of 20 of my friends (and I do know what phones they have):
8 T610/T630 40%
2 Nokia 3200 10%
5 Nokia 3330/3410/3510... (and those types) 25%
1 T65 5%
4 Nokia 5210 20%
People that buy T610/630/N3200 (50%) want those because of the MMS-capabilities. People that buy Nokia 3330/3410/3510 and Ericsson T65 want a phone the can make calls with and send and receive SMSes. My friends with N5210 want it because it endures rougher handling.
And my friends' age group is 25-35. So I know that if you go up 15 years (40-50) the percentage of T65-ish phones is about 75% and from 50 and above almost 100%. This group of people changes their phone less often than youth, but they are a steady market. They don't care about the prize of the phone, they just want a basic/simple phone.
So: Even though camera phones dominate the youngest (15-25) market by maybe 75%, the market for low end phones is still quite big outside this age group and increasing by increasing age. So I support Vlammetje. The market for phones like the two new is present.
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dave_uk
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@kristaga
Just gotta take issue with one thing mate - you left the P910i off the list that people would have if they could have the phone they wished for. Surely, this not-so-little baby deserves a place somewhere 
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kristaga
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I had it, but I had to think a bit before deciding to take it away. I consider P800/900/910 to be a phone that maybe 2% would want to buy, to little to show up in my rather unscientific table. I only know one person that has one of these phones, and he is rather distant. It is a very good and advanced phone for the specially interested. I was also unsure if I could have S700 there, but this time I included it...
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blayv
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But why'd they release phone that is in fact t230 just in different package?
I thought that model politics sounds more like nokia.
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mib1800
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the design of J200/t290 (which are low-end phones) is so similar to K700/K500. this will deprecates the image/value of mid-end phone like K700. Just imagine, a designer brand having 2 items of similar design, one cost 2000, the other 500.
So SE is trying to emulate Nokia here. But unlike Nokia, SE is doing it in all the wrong way. |
vanquish
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@vlamm
i will be one of those ten! i am really bitter against  at the minute for thinking i am some kind of incompetent arsehole with a carrot stuck up his arse. have started milking us - the s700i price is far to high and i think i wouldnt mind going for the j200 and buying like a proper digital camera aswell.
much better value. god, people are so obsessed with this whole swivel design and 2 in 1 crap. If you were so obsesses about having a good camera, taking a small phone and a little camera would be fine!
but i do think the j200 design is extremely poor. it breaks the trend, i thought they had stopped all this yes/no stuff on the buttons!
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@vanquish
Yes.... u wud go for the J200 coz S700 is way to expensive.... but wat happens if S700 has the same price as the J200.. which phone wud u go for? |
DeLa
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A lot of people do want a phone that is _simple_. They are set off by phones that have a lot of functions hence a lot of menu stuff to wade through.
As a buyer of the more expensive kind of phone, I do not mind to see other SE's that are cheaper. I'd prefer to see HUGE LOT of people with SE's over the masses with Nokias. I want a clean environment!
People that bought a T100/T105 or a T230 or before a T200/Z200 just made a good choice. You can't get more style & value for your money. |
Vlammetje
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even if the price is the same there will still be people that prefer the phone without frills. Like it or not, they do exist.
But 'what if' is quite irrelevant isn't it? The whole point of different market segments is to offer a diiferent item for a different price to different people. That's the way businesses work. Including
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On 2004-10-27 09:55:46, Vlammetje wrote:
even if the price is the same there will still be people that prefer the phone without frills. Like it or not, they do exist.
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I did not say this people do not exist... Ur juz going around the bush... and putting words in ma mouth... move on already..
@Dela
Im with you... I do not mind to see other SE's that are cheaper.. I would even buy myself a J200.. coz its cheap!! Maybe buy 10 more, for others who cant afford expensive ones... |
Flying Finn
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I love it how some people call low-end Nokias crap yet they manage to find good things about similar (or worse) SE phones
From Nokias to an SE to whatever.  |
Vlammetje
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been waiting for somebody to throw in the age-old nokia vs se argument again 
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foker
Joined: Oct 28, 2003
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there are certainly market for low-end phones.
some senior citizens just wan a decent phone to make a call?
many people working in sensitive fields are not allowed to carry phones with cameras. Im one of them, i can only drool over k700, s700. etc but its not possible for me to own them coz camera phones are banned at my work place.
I suppose these 2 new phones are the next best things thats coming along for guys like us. |
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