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*Jojo*
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DID YOU KNOW?
As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view ... it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!
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DID YOU KNOW?
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.
DID YOU KNOW?
As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall,
right above where the Supreme Court judges sit,
a display of the Ten Commandments!
DID YOU KNOW?
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
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James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
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Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
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Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
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Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.
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Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law . an oligarchy ..
the rule of few over many.
DID YOU KNOW?
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:
"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?
Please forward this to everyone you can. Lets put it around the world and let the world see and remember what this great country was built on.
Thank you!!
Chamber, US House of Representatives
I was asked to send this on if I agreed or delete if I didn't. Now it is your turn...
It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having the 10 commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance.
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govigov
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It is not just the americans who believe in jesus.
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Gigs
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On 2004-10-21 02:24:37, JN wrote:
DID YOU KNOW?
As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view ... it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!
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DID YOU KNOW?
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.
DID YOU KNOW?
As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall,
right above where the Supreme Court judges sit,
a display of the Ten Commandments!
DID YOU KNOW?
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
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Who'd of picked early christians for being the first Taggers of the world.. good thing they didn't have spraypaint.
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kimcheeboi
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Thomas Jefferson and many other 'founding fathers' advocated the separation of church and state.
The United States was based upon the principle of freedom of religion, and the government does not exist to promote a religion, just to protect them (to some extent and with exceptions).
@Jn, would you be offended if i put my athiest views all over Washington DC? Should we let our government tell us what to believe?
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scotsboyuk
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This is perhaps a first, but I agree with kimcheeboi.  The United States government is a secular government, it is supposed to be seperate from religion and offer no bias for or against any religion. If one has scripture from one religion on government buildings then one should have scripture from all religions on government buildings, although, in my opinion, one should have none.
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kimcheeboi
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The problem that lies with the government supporting religions (especially the scenario that scotsboy mentioned about putting pieces of text from every religion on government buildings) is: how are we do decide which religion gets what? What are the criteria for putting verses from the Torah, the Bible, Buddhist manuscripts, etc. when there is no real way to determine which religion should get what? Supporting all religions would only create more problems that could never be objectively solved and it would make government the regulator of religion (after all the government would have the final say on what is a religion and what each religion conisists of).
So if the government cannot support all religions, it must support none, on the basis of equality for all.
wow! I agree with scotsboy!  
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kimcheeboi
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Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
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This is what he said: this nation was founded by Christians. You are misusing the quote here.
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DID YOU KNOW?
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:
"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?
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Just because we 'have been doing it for 220 years' does not make it Consititutional. Should we reinstate slavery? Because some important "moral" figures support it and we've been doing it? I don't think so.
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Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law . an oligarchy ..
the rule of few over many.
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that's also why he also proposed a separation of church and state. He also feared a theocracy.
And when the precedent of judicial review was set, what happened? Did these judges take over the United States? The courts review federal actions and make sure they follow Consitutional guidelines, NOT guidelines that the Bible has set.
(sorry i meant to post this before the last post)
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Vlammetje
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It could just be me...... but I fail to understand why a Supreme Court should carry religious statements to begin with. It had better have the constitution and lady justitia on it's walls imho.
Then again the 10 commandments are universally accepted rules...... no matter what religion it is never OK to kill for example.... o are they really an expression of christianity?? I doubt they were intended that way.
I think they simply tried to decorate the building with recognizable law-and-rules-related images. Something even the ancient Romans, Greeks and Egyptians did. Something almost every civilization has doen at one point. So what is the big deal in it anyway?
Having that said: what is your point in opening this thread jojo?
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kimcheeboi
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speaking of which, your inital post argues that we should have Christianity as a part of our government, but i fail to recognize the premises for your argument. 
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Ayush
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booooring stuf
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kimcheeboi
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why? 
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Vlammetje
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not boring 
people have died in the past centuries for such things
people have also died in the past centuries for calling religion and/or government boring 
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kimcheeboi
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By looking at past historical examples, you can see that government mixed with an extreme ideology or religion has never worked. Let's not repeat these mistakes.
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Ayush
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sorry marga ! 
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methylated_spirit
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The whole law of the West is based on the teachings in the bible. Doesnt matter what religion you are, thats what its based on, so, although its a little pretentious and over the top "grafitti-ing" verses from the bible all over courthouses, there is nothing "wrong" with it.
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