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P900 Memory Stick Pro DUO Support - please read - You can help! |
Descore
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Hi,
I have seen a P900 with a firmware hack that made it support Memory Stick PRO DUO (although the hack was not release quality). So I know it can be done with a firmware upgrade. It is not faster than the normal support (since the hardware only supports the Serial interface), but even DUO PRO sticks support the serial mode - it is just a protocol change to allow longer block addresses on the flash chip.
So I have created a Public Mind request to make SonyEricsson give us this feature in an official upgrade.
If you also would like this on your P900, please follow the link and sign up to the request. Also tell all your friends about it. If we get enough people signing up for this, Sony Ericsson are bound to listen.
You can find the request here:
http://www.publicmind.com/enduser/group.jsp?node=1644
Please help make this happen  It only takes a minute to vote and let your friends know about this.
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sosojerk
Joined: Jan 14, 2003
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Have you EVER tought giving more details about this matter?
This topic is very hot with P900 users,so coming here and making allegations like "I saw a firmware hack that supports PRO DUO" is just a joke,right?
What firmware hack?
GIVE DETAILS PLEASE!!!!!!
And... name just one case in SE history when such things like siggning petitions had any kind of success.
P800 users signed many such pittiful petitions and the result was 0 (zero).
I think it is a waste of time here...first because you don't provide any details about the "firmware hack" and second because these petitions are just without any efect.At least not for P900...maybe for its follower... |
Descore
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Well I can't give many details about the firmware hack, I saw it while I was working for Symbian.
I don't know the details of how they did it, or even if it was Symbian or SE people who had done it - it was obviously done by people who have access to the source code to the Memory Stick driver. I haven't seen the driver for the memory stick myself, and if I had I couldn't comment on it.
Anyway signing the petition can't hurt - at least they'll know what people want. Public Mind are a bit more pro-active in getting things done than most petition websites, they actually have people who actively go and pursue the requests with the vendors when the interest becomes great enough.
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P800_Zen_master
Joined: Apr 01, 2003
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It is possible, sony has done this for many products including pda,laptops,tv,vaio(desktops) etc...... Sony provided a firmware upgrade to support the new PRO. But for some strange reason they never gave a firmware update for the PX00.
Dont know why they never did it? but it is possbile. So if someone else did it, they would be smarter to sell it to us, then to ask sony to release it, sony already knows its possible. But they just dont want to do it. |
DungeonMaster
Joined: May 06, 2004
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Hmmm... Here we go again... IT CANT BE DONE! It is a ms bus addressing restriction. It is a hardcyard matter. And it doesnt have to do with any drivers or software. Just forget about it. Wait until the P910 or the P1000
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P800_Zen_master
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Then explain this then:
http://ciscdb.sel.sony.com/perl/news-display.pl?news_id=15
"Devices That Can Use Memory Stick Pro Media After Installing A Software Update:
CLIÉ® Handhelds: PEG-NX60, PEG-NX70V, PEG-NZ90, PEG-TG50
VAIO® Computers: The model listings below identify more than 100 VAIO® Notebook and Desktop computers that can use Memory Stick PRO media after installing one or more of the following updates.
For all VAIO PC models listed below, you should download and install the Memory Stick PRO Formatter Utility.
Some of the models, but not all, require an additional driver or firmware upgrade along with the Memory Stick Formatter utility. Please check the model listings in the updates below to determine whether or not they apply to your computer model.
Winbond® Driver for Sony® Memory Stick PRO™ Media
Sony® Memory Stick® Slot Firmware Update Tool for Memory Stick PRO™ Media
VAIO® Notebooks
PCG-C1MW/C1MWP
PCG-GRS100/GRS100P(CTO)
PCG-GRS100K(CTO)
PCG-GRS150/GRS170
PCG-GRS175
PCG-GRS250P
PCG-GRS300
PCG-GRS700/GRS700P(CTO)
PCG-GRS700K(CTO)
PCG-GRS750
PCG-GRV670/GRV670P
PCG-GRV680/GRV680P
PCG-GRX500/GRX500P(CTO)
PCG-GRX500K(CTO)
PCG-GRX510/GRX510P
PCG-GRX510K
PCG-GRX520/GRX520P
PCG-GRX520K
PCG-GRX550/GRX550P
PCG-GRX550K
PCG-GRX560/GRX560P
PCG-GRX560K
PCG-GRX570/GRX570P
PCG-GRX570K
PCG-GRX580/GRX580P
PCG-GRX580K
PCG-GRX590/GRX590P
PCG-GRX590K
PCG-GRX600/GRX600P
PCG-GRX600K
PCG-GRX606
PCG-GRX616
PCG-GRX626/GRX626P
PCG-GRX650
PCG-GRX670
PCG-GRX690
PCG-GRX700/GRX700P(CTO)
PCG-GRX700K(CTO)
PCG-GRX707
PCG-GRX717
PCG-GRX727
PCG-GRX770
PCG-GRZ230
PCG-GRZ270
PCG-GRZ530
PCG-GRZ600/GRZ600P
PCG-GRZ610
PCG-GRZ630
PCG-GRZ660/GRZ660P
PCG-NV100/NV100P
PCG-NV170/NV170P
PCG-NV190/NV190P
PCG-NV200/NV200P
PCG-NV209
PCG-NVR23
PCG-R505BF
PCG-R505DC/R505DCP
PCG-R505DCK
PCG-R505DL/R505DL/S
PCG-R505DS/R505DSP
PCG-R505EC/R505ECP
PCG-R505ECK
PCG-R505EL/R505ELP
PCG-R505ELK
PCG-R505ES/R505ESP
PCG-R505ESK
PCG-R505GC/R505GCP
PCG-R505GCK
PCG-R505GL
PCG-R505GLK
PCG-R505MF
PCG-R505SK
PCG-R505TF
PCG-SRX87/SRX87P
PCG-SRX99/SRX99P
PCG-SRX99K
PCG-V505AC/V505ACP
PCG-V505ACK
PCG-V505AX/V505AXP
PCG-V505FP
PCG-VX88/VX88P
PCG-VX89/VX89P
PCG-VX89K
PCG-Z1A/Z1AP1
PCG-Z1FP
VAIO® Desktops
PCV-MXS20
PCV-RX640
PCV-RX650
PCV-RX660
PCV-RX670
PCV-RX671
PCV-RX672
PCV-RX680G
PCV-RX681
PCV-RX682
PCV-RX730
PCV-RX731
PCV-RX740
PCV-RX741
PCV-RX742
PCV-RX750/RX750P
PCV-RX751
PCV-RX752
PCV-RX753
PCV-RX755
PCV-RX756
PCV-RX760/RX760P
PCV-RX761
PCV-RX762
PCV-RX770/RX770P
PCV-RX780/RX780P
PCV-RX780G
PCV-RX781
PCV-RX790G
PCV-RX791
PCV-RX820/RX820P
PCV-RX830
PCV-RX850/RX850P
PCV-RX851
PCV-RX860/RX860P
PCV-RX881
PCV-RX891
PCV-RX991
PCV-RXA842
PCV-RZ10(CTO)
PCV-RZ14G/RZ16G
PCV-RZ20(CTO)
PCV-RZ22G/RZ24G/RZ26G
PCV-W10
PCV-W20"
and......
http://ciscdb.sel.sony.com/cg[....]ll.pl?upd_id=1277&PASSVAL2=SMB
and.......
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010904mspro.asp
Devices that can accept the new Memory Stick PRO media after being updated via a software upgrade include (for additional product information and a complete list of compatible VAIO™ notebook and desktop PC models, visit in April):
Sony CLIÉ PEG-NZ90 handheld
Sony CLIÉ PEG-NX70V handheld
Sony CLIÉ PEG-NX60 handheld
More than 100 VAIO notebook and desktop PCs
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rrojas260
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All is posible but is up to SE to make it happend
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red5hark
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I think howerver many times someone comes onto this forum and cries 'MS DUO PRO' they should always get the same responses.
When you HAVE PROOF then please by all means tell us otherwise STOP WASTING good message space, and no im not flaming anyone personally, im flaming everyone impersonally.
It stands to reason if it's a hardware thing then just forget it, if its a simple (as a lot of people make it out to be) software patch, then why oh why after so long has no one cashed in on this ??? or from another point of view WTF are SE upto, are they just upgrading all the other money making PC's, handhelds etc just to P*ss off us p900 owners, i think not...
PS. I have read the articles and see where the HOPE can jump in, everyone has a longing for this sort of things to be true and no-one can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it IS IMPOSSIBLE, except maybe a the designer of the slot, but until SE announces the update in software form or just release an updated phone then it's just like all the rest of the HOPE software....VAPOURWARE.
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Pointman
Joined: May 01, 2004
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IT IS NOT A HARDWARE THING!!!!!!!!!!! I own a CLie NX70. I bought it long b4 the mem stick pros were even mentioned and lo and behold, sony upgrades the firmware to be compatible. Any ms slot will be able to use ms pro as long as the software is there! |
batesie
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if someone showed me a p900 that worked a duo pro, id grab it and run a mile with it. or if its s/ware email to all the mods ;-)
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Descore
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On 2004-06-28 00:45:37, DungeonMaster wrote:
Hmmm... Here we go again... IT CANT BE DONE! It is a ms bus addressing restriction. It is a hardcyard matter. And it doesnt have to do with any drivers or software. Just forget about it. Wait until the P910 or the P1000
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Well it can be done, and it has. Please explain why you think it can't be done.
It's a serial bus, so here's my theory of how, without knowing the details of the hardware and the bus: There is a packet-format for the start of a request frame, which is different (longer) for the PRO due to a longer address. Well either the ASIC will support generation of this frame or it won't (unless it's stupidly designed, it will, but who knows with a custom ASIC). But if it won't, you can program the frames bit by bit in software by assigning the clock and data pins as GPIO's while you write the request. Well this PIO mode won't be efficient at all, and take lots of CPU, but it'd probably only be required to make the read/write request headers and not the data itself which can still be handled by the hw controller and use buffering and/or DMA.
Ok, if what the hack I saw did was to program the interface bit by bit in this way, and if it's not possible to switch back to hardware buffered IO for the bulk of the transfer, then I'll say that it's probably not viable to provide a firmware upgrade for this (it would simply be too slow and CPU intensive to be useful for anything but showing off), but otherwise it can be done.
We won't know as I doubt they'll release the datasheet for their custom ASIC  But since so many of their other memory stick controllers support this, and I'd assume they have reused an IP block rather than design it from scratch for the Px00 ASIC, and so it's most likely that it IS possible to do it in software. |
ph03n!x
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Hey guys, dont know if it gonna work or not, but i dont think there is any harm is voting in the link provided... what do we lose if nothing happens? and if something did happen, i wud be the happiest!
...miles to go before I sleep... on the road less travelled by! |
red5hark
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@Descore and others
quote: 'without knowing the details of the hardware and the bus'
This first line sort of shoots any theory in the proverbials, if we knew the design of the bus controller we could state a definate answer, but as you put it we dont so we can all spend a merry week bitching about the vapourware being discussed but it needs SE to make anything solid and as far as i know, they havnt said a dicky bird about the p900 when discussing software or hardware busses, ASICS or updates the only thing we do know is the slot should be the same but after that who knows (SE engineers please comment).
And again i put it to you all, do you really think that SE would not have done this already if it were a mere update ? or again do we all subscribe to the conspiracy theory that us poor p900 users are the whipping dogs of the phone world ?
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Descore
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Well red5hark, as I said I've seen the hack in function, it seemed very slow but it did work and it's my observations that I based my theory on.
As I said, if the hack is to program the interface bit by bit it's not viable, so this may be the reason they haven't done it.
But knowing how these things work in general, in cases like this it's most often possible to find a combination hack that will make it work. However, it is NOT straightforward and it would probably take a talented sw/hw engineer quite a while to figure it out (and always with the risk that it will be fruitless), so maybe they just haven't done it because of resource issues.
I have worked with lots of different serial controllers and buses over the years and I am familiar with the common design issues in this area, so it's at least educated guesses. Now I wish I knew more about how the hack had been implemented, but I don't so it's the best I can give..
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red5hark
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@Descore
I'm not saying youre lying or trying to poke holes in your posts for fun, im just a bit fed up with seeing this post rearing it's ugly head in one shape or another on a weekly basis.
I too have had a long career path using this type and many others bus types in varied hardware/software configurations, and do agree on the feasability IF it is built in in the first place.
There should be and i hope i am right in saying MANY talented software/hardware engineers that actually WORK for SE and HAD a hand in the design stages of the p900 phone, but they seem to have vacated the premises for the time being so no answer EXCEPT conjecture CAN be brought forth from people like us.
I do hope that the update thing is true, or that some spritely young amatuer will cash in on this quick sharp as...
...as much as the next man/girl/child/dog/alien who uses the p900.
Kudos.
RED.
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