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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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From: Trnava-Nitra,Pardubice CSSR
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who won there hm in america ?
a Bush or any Bushes 
or how is plural from Bush
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sorac
Joined: Sep 05, 2004
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From: SKlandia - New Mine (present U
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morning eu.... 
how's going???
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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From: Trnava-Nitra,Pardubice CSSR
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It's going so - so.
Pls,don't provoke us so early morning. 
You could tell us what you bought to xmas to all your friends and relatives.
I'm very curious to know it.
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Clearday
Joined: Sep 21, 2004
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From: Istanbul, Turkey
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hi all mates,(european,or not,man,or a guy,woman or a lesbian,hi all)
@boto43,you ve forgetten "Turkey s MIT and Israel s MOSSAD"
@scotsboyuk,I agrre mostly ur opinions,we ve to built up peace,we ve to improve peace
@mincka,you are wrong,Turkey s not an islamic country,hasnt got an islamic party,she has a conservative right party.
well Actually,sometimes I ve read some basic,so simple statements about Turks and Turkey.Well lets allow me little bit to write about what s Turkey and what isnt?
I am surprised by a great deal of misinformation about Turkey's European credentials. Turkey has always identified itself with Europe and the West. First of all, Turkey was a European power in the past and ruled extensive parts of Europe for centuries. During this period cultural exchange and integration took place and Turkish art and customs were introduced into Europe including Turkish baths, coffee, Turkish carpets to mention just a few. It is not a coincidence that the Ottoman Empire was referred to as ¿the sick man of Europe¿ during its decline. Anatolia is the birth place of civilizations which influenced European civilization.
As regards geography, a significant part of Turkey is in Europe, this part is larger than may European states and Istanbul alone with a population of some 12 million is one of Europe's largest cities. The fact that Cyprus, which is a geographical extension of the Anatolian mainland and situated at the most easterly part of Turkey, is considered as part of Europe makes the geographical arguments untenable. Since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey 80 years ago as a secular state, Turkey has always identified itself with the west in general and Europe in particular. Apart from being a member of the Council of Europe, it is a member of all European institutions and European as far as Eurovision, football, posts, communications etc. are concerned. It is the only candidate state which has a customs union with the European Union. Its trade and industry is integrated with Europe and Turkish industrial products from automobiles to electronics from textiles to ceramics are widely marketed in European countries.
For over half a century Turkey has been a member of NATO and as the only Moslem member this has never caused a problem and it has never been objected to. She has proved to be one of the most loyal allies of the west from participating in Korea to all Nato peace keeping operations in Europe. It is objected that the boundaries of Europe would reach Arab countries and the Middle East. In fact this would provide a useful buffer zone. No one had objected when during the cold war Turkey was the only NATO member with a boundary with USSR. The Turkish armed forces have always been and continue to be the largest after the United States and this can only contribute to the security and defense of Europe. From the economic point of view only the negative aspects of the Turkish economy are mentioned. In fact she is the 16th/ 17th largest economy in the world. Merely looking at the final pages of the Economist magazine will show that its growth is far higher the any other European country (approximately 8%) and its industrial output has consistently grown in recent years and most recently by over 15%. Millions of Europeans take their holidays in Turkey and enjoy being there. (bodrum,antalya,adana,kusadasi,ayvalik,sarimsakli plaji,avsa,fethiye,oludeniz,Meryem ana evi,Sumela,Trabzon,Diyarbakir Surlari,Bosphorus,Istanbul,Izmir,Bursa,Ankara,Samsun,Giresun,kemer,kuscenneti...etc...so much)
Granted there is room for improvement as in any other country. No country is perfect in all respects. The Turkish people are aware of this and every effort is being made to achieve improvements in areas where there are failings. In any event there will be a transitional period before full membership. In spite of all the above, to deny Turkey¿s European credentials can only arise from ignorance or prejudice. It is important that Turkey is not distracted from her European vision. This vision not something new. It is a vision that goes back decades and its association with the European Union began at the same time as Greece in 1963. It was thanks to Turkey¿s action against the Greek Junta in Cyprus in 1974 that the Junta collapsed and Greece resumed democracy thereby accelerating its European Union membership.
I don't see any reason why Turkey shouldn't be given the opportunity to join the EU. The EU is a trading bloc and is supposed to be inclusive of cultural and religious differences. The boundaries of the EU should not be constrained to traditional geopolitical 'European' boundaries. What if Russia or Ukraine wanted to join the EU? Would their geographic or historical situation be seen as a hindrance to EU accession? I have read some upsetting views, on why Turkey should, not join the EU. Turkey has a lot of going for it, and hard working population. They do share their history with Europe, and have has much right has Greece to join. Turkey, should be allowed to join, and become part of the EU, (they are already in NATO, there was not a problem when they joined that happy group) I am for anything that can make other people's lives better, not just wealthy western Europeans.
"Our mother is love! Our father is love!
We are born from love! We are love!
All loves constitute a bridge leading to the divine love.
To love human beings means to love GOD."
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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@clearday,I havent said anything wrong (or better bad) about Turkey. 
I spent my holliday in your country 4 years ago and I was very suprised how developed country Turkey is.
I dont care about any secret service in the world.Hope they dont care about me too.
Hows your stay in Slovakia.
Where are you now, in Bratislava.
and I am not absolutly against your joining to EU.
Maybe aquilla said something
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Clearday
Joined: Sep 21, 2004
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From: Istanbul, Turkey
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@boto,I havent said you said wrong,I think you mixed what I said...just I wanna said you said what all KGB,CIA,FBI and I added and said dont forget these are;MOSSAD,MIT and of course I dont care too...
well SLOVAKIA GIRLS COOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL,ý ve two already,and forget all MY JOBSSSS HERE...heh heh what a day I delayed my job,and wait one more day...I love Slovakia girls....
(meanwhile,hope not to hear,my grlfriend,ouchhh)
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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From: Trnava-Nitra,Pardubice CSSR
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It depends upon fact if she knows about esato.
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Clearday
Joined: Sep 21, 2004
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If Turkey is not European, based on geography, then neither is Cyprus, which just joined the EU. I wish people would be honest and not refer to geography as this simply does not apply. Just say it - Turks are not Christians! For 40 years the EU told Turkey it could join if it met the political, economic and human rights criteria. Saying no to Turkey now will not only alienate the 20 million Muslims within current EU borders, it will also make the world question the EU's values and its position in geopolitics.
Come, Come again !
Whatever you are...
Whether you are infidel,
idolater or fireworshipper.
Whether you have broken your vows
of repentance a hundred times
This is not the gate of despair,
This is the gate of hope.
Come, come again...
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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I personally think a lot of Europeans have a anti muslim complex after september of 11-th. They think that all muslims or majority of them are terrorist.But who is responsible for it ?Media;politicians ? Some ppl in my country now has remembered that we were occupied by Turks 300 years ago. :lol: That's funny. Turkey is a part of Europe and will be part of EU.
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RealBelief
Joined: Dec 10, 2004
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From: Istanbul, TURKEY
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boto,we are real muslims,We Turks,Ottoman Turks are real muslims,we only produce peace in our territory,we only produce good affairs,some countries wont see the Turks in the top list of World,but they couldnt prevent us.As you know some european friends like Italy affected by Armenian and Cyprus Rums,try to blow up us and try to fire our lands using our people "Kurds",of course they have taken quick response.We in Turkey have lots of ethnic groups,but all in a same flag and same root.Thanks for your fair and reasonable comments. |
sorac
Joined: Sep 05, 2004
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guys.. lets forget about religion.. it has always made wars...
we are ppl and that is the very important thing...
i have traveled for 8 years now and i never made an difference between black, yelow and white person and of course not between a religions...
i making diference only between friends and not friends...
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RealBelief
Joined: Dec 10, 2004
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From: Istanbul, TURKEY
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you absolutely right sorac,definetely.We believe same God.We believe peace,We believe modern world,so what do we want more beyond that?must be friend not more...and I ve seen "Clearday" s signatures under posts,I m absolutely agree with you Clearday.and I repeat again taken by you;
"Our mother is love! Our father is love!
We are born from love! We are love!
All loves constitute a bridge leading to the divine love.
To love human beings means to love GOD."
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
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offlinerus
Joined: Aug 22, 2004
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From: UK (Orginally Turkey)
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@sorac
You are right only differece your friends, the people who are going to be your friends, people who you will never met 
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sorac
Joined: Sep 05, 2004
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guys.. has turkey opened the gate???? 
all the same day comming here and talking.. i dont mind just curious...
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RealBelief
Joined: Dec 10, 2004
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From: Istanbul, TURKEY
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sorac,all gates have been opened approximately thousand years ago.
now is the time to talk what s gate of opening in your mind?
meanwhile where is the clearday?do u know? heh heh lost in europe when u talk is turkey in eu or not? | |
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Posted: 2004-11-05 13:57
