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richardadc
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On 2003-11-04 18:13:46, ppcrockar wrote:
Why do people compare a phone that has been available since May this year (T610) with a phone that will be available next year (Nokia 6230)? Kind of pointless. I'm pretty sure that SE has some new neat stuff for next year.
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We're not. SE are releasing the T630 at the same time as the Nokia, and the Nokia is far superior. |
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Vlammetje
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Let's try them out be4 we judge. i agree the specs list is superior, but what about usability? let's play with them first shall we? 
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d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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as if SE phones do not have problems like nokia's. SE phones are much more problematic than nokia phones and one thing prevalent in SE phones is the crappy fluctuating RF.
something that is complex and sophisticated is not always the best and reliable. what is simple is better.
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Vlammetje
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and that is exactly one problem I have never had on all 3  phones I've owned so far.
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d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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On 2003-11-05 09:37:52, Vlammetje wrote:
and that is exactly one problem I have never had on all 3 phones I've owned so far.
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yeah right. whatever... you lucky bastard  . i have to bear with my t616's signal fluctuating especially during a call.
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Vlammetje
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you on 1900 or 850 band mate? 
me never had 850.... did use 1900 tho and worked a treat for me
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ppcrockar
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Yes, but the T630 is hardly SE's new top of the line phone for next year, it's just an evolution of the T610. You better wait until the new SE phones are announced before comparing.
Regarding fluctating RF. The reason the signal bar is fluctating more on SE bars has nothing to do about reception quality. It has to do about how often the phone updates the signal bars... ie checks the signal strength. The SE phones does this more often than Nokias. |
Scandermore
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About the fluctuating RF:
Many people says that T610 RF fluctues very much. That's normal on ANY phone. There is a big difference in the RF if you put your hand around the antenna of the phone or you leave it free of interference.
So... the main difference between SE phones and Nokia (eg) is that the RF bars are refreshed faster. With nokia, you get a mean value of the last minute (or something similar, it's an example), but with SE you get a more instant value. People is not used to it, so they think that RF is fluctuating.
Remember that the RF bars are not TRUE measure of the RF reception. You can't compare the reception of two phones only with the bars. There brands that are more pesymisthic (the bars decrease rapidly, but you can talk with almost 0 bars) and optimistic (you have many bars quicly, but you need half the bars to talk).
The RF signal fluctuates in ALL the phones, but in some you don't see it, it's the only point. If you don't believe try moving your radio antenna in your house... you'll hear the fluctuation 
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d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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oh yeah right folks. i just always notice it when in a phone call so i based what i posted on what i experienced while using my phone. i like nokia phones better when it comes to the RF. |
richardadc
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On 2003-11-05 09:53:44, ppcrockar wrote:
Yes, but the T630 is hardly SE's new top of the line phone for next year, it's just an evolution of the T610. You better wait until the new SE phones are announced before comparing.
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But you don't know that. The new T630 is still quite a feature packed phone, and it's certainly acceptable for the majority of users. In truth there is no real reason for SE to release a more advanced phone anytime soon, especially when they've probably figured out there current phone is selling well.
I do however imagine the T630 is only there to pass the time for their next big phone, but by them releasing a phone inbetween sort of says that they won't be releasing another phone in this band for quite a while, maybe the third quarter of next year. |
orange
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On 2003-11-05 09:53:44, ppcrockar wrote:
Yes, but the T630 is hardly SE's new top of the line phone for next year, it's just an evolution of the T610. You better wait until the new SE phones are announced before comparing.
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T630 is top of the line phone in it's category from SE right NOW and 6230 is top of the line phone in the same category from Nokia right NOW. Next year both of the companies will announce new models to be compared, but until then we can only compare the phones that are announced. Yes, I know. It's pretty hard for die-hard SE fan to accept the fact that 6230 has better specs in overall than T630. There's no room for speculations in here, just take the spec sheets and compare the raw facts. |
ppcrockar
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On 2003-11-05 15:00:19, orange wrote:
T630 is top of the line phone in it's category from SE right NOW and 6230 is top of the line phone in the same category from Nokia right NOW. Next year both of the companies will announce new models to be compared, but until then we can only compare the phones that are announced. Yes, I know. It's pretty hard for die-hard SE fan to accept the fact that 6230 has better specs in overall than T630. There's no room for speculations in here, just take the spec sheets and compare the raw facts.
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Yes, but with the difference that the Nokia is new product while the T630 is basically just a small improvement over the T610. It's hardly gonna be SE's top of the line phone for next year. Yes the 6230 specs are pretty impressive. But we haven't seen more than the T630 announce by SE for the next year. They are most likely gonna announce some more.
And as we've seen this year. SE has learned from their previous mistakes of announcing phones long before they'll be aviailable. SE are now annoncing phones that are available very soon after first announcement.
Although I might switch to 3G when the Z1010 is available.
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orange
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On 2003-11-05 15:20:56, ppcrockar wrote:
Yes, but with the difference that the Nokia is new product while the T630 is basically just a small improvement over the T610. It's hardly gonna be SE's top of the line phone for next year. Yes the 6230 specs are pretty impressive. But we haven't seen more than the T630 announce by SE for the next year. They are most likely gonna announce some more.
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And 6230 is successor for 6220 with improvements. And do you really think Nokia won't announce any new phones to be sold next year? I'm pretty sure they will. As I said, this is the situation NOW and lets look at the situation again next year when both of vendors will announce new models. |
ppcrockar
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On 2003-11-05 15:45:10, orange wrote:
And 6230 is successor for 6220 with improvements. And do you really think Nokia won't announce any new phones to be sold next year? I'm pretty sure they will. As I said, this is the situation NOW and lets look at the situation again next year when both of vendors will announce new models.
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Yes.. but my point is that when the Nokia 6230 is actually available it'll not compete with the T630 but with another SE phone. It's still several months before the 6230 will be available. Actually it could be as much as 5 months before it's in stores (Q1 2004).
People around here always compares phones that aren't available. It's no point in compairing phones that will not be available in several months since this is a fast moving market, and it changes very fast. Compare the phones that are available in shops.. not the announced ones.
Look at the SX1 for example... it has been announced for a long time and is still not available, and while it seemed pretty good when it was announced it doesn't seem as good today.
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Arne Anka
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Sure, 6230 seems better than T610/T630 on paper and perhaps Moto V600 will be better than Nokia 6230. But that is how the story goes. SE had the best phone(s) up till now and tomorrow some other manufacturer has an even better phone and the day after
tomorrow SE presents ... etc.
However, T630 is not the last phone SE will ever make and the link below is a proof of that since SE mainly base their phones on Ericsson Mobile platforms. It gives a little guidance what can be expected during 2004 and forward.
What about:
- Quad band phones (ala V600).
- Trimode phones (GSM-EDGE-WCDMS).
- Memory Stick and strange enough, MMC as well.
and so on.
http://www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Ericsson-Bengtsson-031703.pdf
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