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P900 - 265,000 colours? |
Coramoor
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65000 divided by 256 = 253. Meaning the t610 has 253 times as many colors as the t68. 265000 divided by 65000 = 4. 265000 colors is only 4 times as much.
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ppcrockar
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Nice to see that there are a lot of sensible people around here that doesn't fall for simple marketing stunts  |
Anuj
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So you saying that 65k is the peak and we will not be able to view better quality pics on a mobile phone in the future???
you people love dissin people down dont you ! Especially people like PPcrocker uhh umm!!
Look matey if you are fanatical about :se then its your problem I am to well impressed with their products and also the P800 that i use but if something better comes out (which i cant see at the moment unless the p900 comes out) i'll go for it ! And yes the Colour screen does make a difference to me coz if im spending on the upwards of £500 on a phone i expect it to be the latest technology 
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lulu ginzburg
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65k isn't the latest technology...? i don't now any phone with more then that.
I better screen will cost much more then your 500 on itself!! But if it is ok for you to pay 1000 for a phone, ask SE to do it for you lol
nb: a new screen for the P800 cost allready 150€... and you have to put it yourself for that price 
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nwmq1
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Anju: The Neonode (www.neonode.com) will have a 260k colour screen, you should go for that one if you really want a 260k colour phone! |
ppcrockar
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I'm not dissing anyone. I'm just saying that the difference will probably not be noticable. Just look at some photos in 65k colours and then look at the same photo with 24/32bit on your computer, and I bet that you can hardly see any difference on most photos. And 24bit is 16 Million colours.
You will see the difference on a computer if you make a transition in high resolution between two colours in photoshop. But with low resolution screens it will probably not be possible to tell even with colour transitions. And most photos doesn't contain enough of hues of one colour to make a difference.
What is more important is the quality of the screen like a good TFT screen.
I've read that the average human eye can see about 4 Millions different colours, but it varies a bit from person to person.
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Arfi-Gorgona
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Im sorry guys but you miss something here the p900 has a screen with res 320x208 right? even if this phone has 16milions colour to display you see as much as the resolution allow to see so whats the point? 66560 is the best you can see in this phone if every pixel has dif colour!!!The only thing it helps is the 32bit pallete and only this.
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Anuj
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na the neonode's future dont look as bright as it's screen !
If 65K is the latest tech then its fine no problemo i'll be getting the P900 without second thoughts !
you guys not getting the point man ... i said when one spends so much he expects the latest technology...if 65K is the best around i'll be hapy that :se uses it !
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Coramoor
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Noone is saying that it doesn't matter. We are just saying that it is not so important. Especially with lcds. There are so many other things that matter. Like what type it is. Stn, tft, backlit, frontlit. This is why the screen on the p800(tft) looks better than the t610(stn) despite the superior number of colors(this is my personal opinion and I know others may have different opinions). If I had the choice between 2 identical phones with the same screen type and size I'd of course choose the one with the most colors. For me the functions of the phone is most important. Of cours having to few colors would make watching images hard and would thus degrade the functions of the phone. But for the time being the 4096 colors my phone can display is enough for most types of pictures. This may ofcourse change with time but..
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Anuj
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I totally agree that the screen type makes a difference ! TFT is definately the way forward. sad that the t610 is STN |
Coramoor
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I'm gonna argue with myself a little here. First of all. On a pc screen the difference between 16bit and 24bit is fairly easy to see depending on circumstances. Second. While 24bit(16 million colors) is more than you ever need(and in the case of small displays it probably is) But if you get a little more technical about things: You have probably heard the term RGB. This stands for red,green,blue. In the case of 24 bit 8 of the bits are used for the color red, 8 for green and 8 for blue. This means that there's only 256 variations of the color red. This means that if an image consisted solely of red you would in essence only have 256 colors. This of course get's much more severe on a 12 bit display where you only have 8 variations of red. And it is in such \"extreme\" circumstances that you would notice the difference between 65k screens and 265k screens. P.S. There's talk of making new screen cards support 128bit colors. Then you'd have 16M variations of red! Imagine that...
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ppcrockar
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@ Coramoor
With photos it's not often that you can tell the difference between 16bit or 24bit. But using colour transitions it is visible. Since the eye can see about 4 million colours you wan't need millions of red tones since you can't see any difference. In fact you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between red colour 210 and 211 for example (with RGB). They are just too similair. 24bit is more colours than anyone can see regardless of the which colour you choose.
Higher colour depth than 24bit isn't useful since the eye can't detect it. The extra 8bits with 32bit displays are used for alpha channels.
And when you're talking about 128bit gfx-cards I think you're referring to the chip technology and not the colour depth.
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Arfi-Gorgona
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On 2003-10-06 16:30:32, Arfi-Gorgona wrote:
Im sorry guys but you miss something here the p900 has a screen with res 320x208 right? even if this phone has 16milions colour to display you see as much as the resolution allow to see so whats the point? 66560 is the best you can see in this phone if every pixel has dif colour!!!The only thing it helps is the 32bit pallete and only this.
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loll what else can i say i said it all here you are blind all of you? 
IF an 320x208 screen can display only 66560 what on earth you need more than that !!!!!! And how you guys compare the pc with this small res screens?Only if someone is BLIND cant see a difference between 16bit and 24bit in a photo exept you look the photo in 320x200 res loll enough said.
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Sir-SonyEricsson-man
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On 2003-10-06 12:54:22, Anuj wrote:
http://www.phones4u.co.uk/shop/shop_contract_details.asp?ItemKey=105949
Look under description ... 260K internal and 65K external !
The number of colours definately makes all the difference mate - Look at the difference of picture quality between a T68i and a T610 - mearly the same size screen.
Miles apart....need i say anymore?
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If you would read right you would se there stands nothing about 260k screen or do you?????  x |
Coramoor
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@ppcrockar: If placed right next to eachother you would probably be able to see the difference between red color 210 and 211. Imagine a red line going from the top of the screen to the bottom of the screen. This line is bright red at the top and fades on the way down eventually becoming totally dark(black). If, like the p800 you have 320 pixels on the way down even 24bit is inadequate. And 12bit is certainly inadequate. This is as I said \"extreme\" and isn't normally a problem. And no. I did not mean 128 bit graphic chip(that wouldn't exactly be news anyway) and just because 32 bit 24 bit means just as many color this wouldn't be the case 128bit.
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