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P810 to be released this autumn! |
SunilC
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But bluetooth isn't a rival to wifi, they're meant for different purposes. I still don't think they would put wifi in though due to battery drain.
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Little Jon
Joined: Jun 11, 2003
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Yes, they are designed for different purposes. That's why dual-mode chipsets are coming out.
I don't think that the latest 802.11 chipsets' power drain is really that much higher than Bluetooth's especially when seen in the context of a backlit screen and everything else that drains power in a smartphone. Typical power for WiFi cards are 250mA for receive and 350mA transmit at 3V. That's pretty high, but some of the newer chipsets claim 100mA, which matches the higher end of the power spectrum for BT.
One of the biggest problems with 802.11 is the high standby power consumption, but again that should drop as optimised (and less rushed to market) designs are released.
If the power management is handled right, then 802.11 could even use less power for bulk transfer of data (e.g., syncing), just because it's around 7-8 times faster. So even if it takes twice as much power per second of on-time, becauase it can transfer the data and then turn off in 1/8 of the time of BT, the total power consumption for the transfer would be around a quarter!
Interestingly, WiFi would allow for faster sync and backup times than allowed by USB 1.1! |
Saudi
Joined: Mar 16, 2003
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Maybe the P810 will include super-range bluetooth, like the Z1010. The Z1010 has a bluetooth range of about 100 meters = 330 feet. Who needs WiFi?  |
shawnmccall9
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man, I want a quadmode phone (Wi-Fi, CDMA2000, GSM, and WCMDA) with all the bands (450, 850, 900, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100) that would be superphat. With Wi-Fi, you can get Voice over IP, and the other three standards would be great for global roaming!!!!
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Little Jon
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BT has the bandwidth for voice (obviously) so if you're connected to a computer on the internet, I don't see why you can't do Voice over IP.
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fijbert
Joined: Dec 26, 2002
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now u guys r just blowing the expectation rates of this phone out of the water
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braingel
Joined: Apr 21, 2003
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Not too much to ask for wifi. Battery wouldn't really be a problem - I use an iPaq in my house with a wlan and it goes for 2 hours or so - same battery technology as the p800. I try to browse with BT on the p800 because the Opera deal blows crapola PPC IE away. But the minute the cat walks between the handset and the dongle the signal drops.
The Opera browser was a major selling point for this contraption. GPRS is still difficult due to high costs and the 10m range for BT is pretty damn well useless if you live in a 100m2 apartment, so the Opera browser for how glorious it is does not fully grab its potential. So yes, if it's truly a 'connectivity device' then it needs wifi. In 2 years it will seem like a real early 2000 anachronism if they don't integrate wifi.
Hell I live in Paris and they're currently wiring the whole damn city for wifi. In a year or so you'll be able to connect on the Metro, on the bus, on the corner, in the brothel.. wherever. Better get some damn wifi into this unit or I'm looking elsewhere! GPRS or 3g or UMTS or big booty connectivity will have some serious competition if everywhere is browsing on 802.11 and not some joke radio network that some phone company paid $200b for and had to custom rig to get it to work.. |
Bu_7assooon
Joined: Jun 02, 2003
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sorry..but p800 is my first pda....
can some one tell me what is wifi??
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brick
Joined: Nov 15, 2002
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@braingel
"the 10m range for BT is pretty damn well useless if you live in a 100m2 apartment"
But a 100m2 apartment is 10m by 10m. Even if it was 5m by 20m, the pc being in the middle of the apartment would solve problems? |
fijbert
Joined: Dec 26, 2002
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u actually use ur BT headset while at home??
y not just forward ur phone to ur house line?
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oferlaor
Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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Ericsson are the pioneer for BT specs 1.2 - which mixes 802.11b and BT.
I think they will come out with chips that are dual mode (support both modes).
IMO, 802.11b support will make this a killer phone and move many iPaq followers onto the SE/Symbian pack. |
sam12
Joined: May 27, 2003
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i hope so too. |
Little Jon
Joined: Jun 11, 2003
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BT 1.2 is NOT dual-mode. However it is designed for better interoperability (i.e., less interference) with WiFi and other systems operating at 2.4GHz. |
shawnmccall9
Joined: Apr 21, 2002
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when will the P816 be available? |
ainamrev
Joined: May 23, 2003
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Why not have DAB support? lt makes sense it can allow full stream sound and video @ 128kbps and DAB transmiters have a huge range compared to Wi-Fi. Truly a underated media for mobile devices.
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