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Sony Poland released the price of the new Z5P. While the Z5 and Z5C prices are comparable to other EU prices, france or germany, the Z5P price is, wait for it, 150 Euros more than in Germany, so 950 Euros. Ha f**ked up. Would be easier to just take a cheap flight to any city from Poland, get off at the airport and buy the phone in germany, and take a cheap flight back, would end up being cheaper than buying it in Poland. | |
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I think sony is scaring people off with the prices for sure. and for americans who want to get an xperia, we are stuck importing cause it doesn't look like they will be coming to the US at all. the Z3/Z4 variants in the US must not have done very well. Sony needs to boost their marketing in the US for sure.
I would be much more tempted to get a z5p at euro prices if it wasn't so much. i don't think the price tag warrants the realistically, small jump in features from the Z3.
I'll wait to see what happens at MWC and then fall 2016. looks like the ole Z1 is gonna continue chugging along for another year or more..
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more samples
original comparison
Sony z3 not the best for me, but much better than Z3. Golf color is wery good, but unfocused slightly.
[ This Message was edited by: xenia on 2015-09-05 21:52 ] |
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wow those photo samples are gorgeous.. well done sony.
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>>SAMEH
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some says that the Premium 4K screen wont work at full resolution all the time, only at 4K contents, otherwise will stuck at 1080p for power saving
[ This Message was edited by: >>SAMEH on 2015-09-05 22:11 ] C905.. who'll be the next? |
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On 2015-09-05 23:11:28, >>SAMEH wrote:
some says that the Premium 4K screen wont work at full resolution all the time, only at 4K contents, otherwise will stuck at 1080p for power saving
[ This Message was edited by: >>SAMEH on 2015-09-05 22:11 ]
most likely it's true, gfxbench scores @fhd onscreen ... 4k content will work @4k and rest will upscaled to 4k by x-reality mobile engine... |
Tsepz_GP
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That could explain how the Z5P can achieve 2day batt. life Sony claim. I actually like the fact that it will adjust to 4K when 4K content/media is played. Reminds me of how many high performance cars will mostly run on half the cylinders available when driving normally and then activate the rest when they are needed, saves fuel.
Also, if it runs at HD1080P most of the time, then 3GB RAM is more than enough, its a good job by Sony, IMO.
I asked Sony Mobile South Africa when this phone will arrive down here, and they said November  same time as Europe.
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Now when the 4K situation has been explained, that feels way better than locked 4k.
Are you kidding seriously, 3400 mAh battery should be plenty with this nifty solution.
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Thats a better solution. Im thinking if it can be achieved by lcd displays before like on amoled which you can select pixels to be powered on. Maybe that's why rumors before pointing two screen resolutions, fhd and 4k. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daoJ2BktV5E
Pre-production Xperia Z5 compared to the Galaxy Note 5
It looks like the Xperia Z5 Premium has a display with lower latency compared to the Note 5's.
Note 5 exhibit some ghosting when he flicks down all the tabs. Look at 4:51m in the video.
Or are my eyes just fooling my mind?
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On 2015-09-05 21:14:33, xenia wrote:
more samples
original comparison
Sony z3 not the best for me, but much better than Z3. Golf color is wery good, but unfocused slightly.
[ This Message was edited by: xenia on 2015-09-05 21:52 ]
Those indoor/low light results are not really surprising there, both S6 and G4 has OIS and F1.9 and F1.8 lens. Just hope Sony can improve the the Z5 before launch. |
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On 2015-09-05 23:28:18, Tsepz_GP wrote:
That could explain how the Z5P can achieve 2day batt. life Sony claim. I actually like the fact that it will adjust to 4K when 4K content/media is played. Reminds me of how many high performance cars will mostly run on half the cylinders available when driving normally and then activate the rest when they are needed, saves fuel.
Also, if it runs at HD1080P most of the time, then 3GB RAM is more than enough, its a good job by Sony, IMO.
I asked Sony Mobile South Africa when this phone will arrive down here, and they said November same time as Europe.
That was pretty much what I expected, and it's ok. Its a exact 4:1 scaling so should be any artifacts. Bravia TVs has the best scaler of any TV, so I have confidence with Z5. It will be at least H1 2017 until any mobile SoC can runs 4K UI natively consider even the best now still stutter a bit in 2K. Any 4K phones that come out next year will probably do the same anyway. |
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On 2015-09-06 04:21:11, Gitaroo wrote:
That was pretty much what I expected, and it's ok. Its a exact 4:1 scaling so should be any artifacts. Bravia TVs has the best scaler of any TV, so I have confidence with Z5. It will be at least H1 2017 until any mobile SoC can runs 4K UI natively consider even the best now still stutter a bit in 2K. Any 4K phones that come out next year will probably do the same anyway.
Do you think one could enable native 4K UI with some software tweaks? Would Sony allow for that or would you need to go 3rd party or root the device? |
ascariss
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On 2015-09-06 04:09:02, Gitaroo wrote:
On 2015-09-05 21:14:33, xenia wrote:
more samples
original comparison
Sony z3 not the best for me, but much better than Z3. Golf color is wery good, but unfocused slightly.
[ This Message was edited by: xenia on 2015-09-05 21:52 ]
Those indoor/low light results are not really surprising there, both S6 and G4 has OIS and F1.9 and F1.8 lens. Just hope Sony can improve the the Z5 before launch.
Indeed the Z5 is better than the Z3 here, but expected since the sensor is better and the extra 6th lens should help in the image quality. The Z5 is still missing the tiny little details present in both the G4 and S6. I will not be looking at the iphone photos since I am just comparing android for now. Prepare for along posts folks,
Image 1 - Golf
Z5 has improved over the Z3 in the colour dept, much warmer but perhaps a bit too saturated? Can be fixed with SW. Next comes the sharpness/focus. If you look at the headlights you will see both the S6 and G4 have more details and are sharper, better yet, look at the front tire and you will see a major difference.
Clearly the Z5>Z3 but lags behind both the S6 and G4 in the sharpness/focus dept, feel this is mainly due to the OIS and lack of in the Z5. PDAF sure helps but the lack of OIS hurts the Z5, this is best seen in the wings mirrors. Also still lots of noise in the Z5 photos, look at the side door, S6 has it controlled nicely, next G4, and finally Z5. This needs to be fixed quickly. Sony loses here in the golf photo, hands down, it is not a match for the S6/G4.
That being said, it is interesting to see what settings were used in the photos. Both the G4 and S6 have the sensor set in 16:9, not sure if there is a setting for 4:3 but I feel not. Anyone know if the images on the LG or sammie are cropped from 4:3 or native 16:9? Anywho, assuming the EXIF is correct.
Z5: 5520x4140, F2 1/125s, ISO 200
Z3: 3268x2448 F2, 1/32s, ISO 64 (superior auto at 8MP it seems)
S6: 5312x2998, F1.9, 1/33s, ISO 100
G4: 5312x2998, F1.8, 1/30S, ISO 100
So it seems the Z5 opted to go for a higher ISO for more light but decrease the shutter speed to reduce blur. I am sure the image on the Z5 would have been brighter if it was also a slower shutter speed, probably similar to Z3. Shame, if Sony added OIS to the Z5, it could probably have taken better low light photos.
Image 2 - Desk
Again, Z5 warmer than Z3. Z5 slightly sharper than Z3 but more noise in Z5 photo. Next, sharpness, both S6 and G4 are sharper and more detailed, G4 brighter than S6 slightly as well. Sharpness best seen at the edge of the wooden both, the wood side. Brightness seen best in the candle and leather thingy. Again let's look at the settings.
Z5: 5520x4140, F2, 1/64s, ISO 160
Z3: 3268x2448 F2, 1/64s, ISo 160
S6: 5312x2998, F1.9, 1/33s, ISO 125
G4: 5312x2998, F1.8, 1/30s, ISO 100
Seems both the Z3 and Z5 opted for same settings, and it shows, quite similar brightness in both photos. Both the S6 and G4 have much longer exposure times, 0.015 seconds for the Z3/Z5, 0.030 seconds for the S6, and 0.033 seconds for the G4. So around 2 times longer exposure time, letting in more light and making the image brigther. Coupled with OIS, the images are still sharp on the S6 and G4. G4 and S6 tie again, Z5 lags. But yet again not equal settings so if you ask me, not a 100% direction comparison.
Image 3 - Garden
Z5 warmer again here than Z3. Sharpness is more or less similar for all, except the Z3 which feels more blurry. Colour wise, Z5 and S6 seems best here, with the G4 way too warm (yellow). In fact I feel the Z5 is best here for colour. Noise, even though the Z5 has the lowest level, it still has more noise than it should. So who is best, I feel the Z5 here is the best of the 4.
Looking at the settings, seems finally the shutter speed and ISO are very similar, so much better comparison here than the 2 previous photos. Z5 does well agains the S6 and G4, and yes while OIS is very important, and I mentioned this above, it seems lack of OIS in the Z5 doesn't affect the image that much.
Z5: 5520x4140, F2, 1/32s, ISO 80
Z3: 3268x2448 F2, 1/32s, ISo 100
S6: 5312x2998, F1.9, 1/33s, ISO 100
G4: 5312x2998, F1.8, 1/30s, ISO 100
Image 4 - Young lady
I'll keep it short, G4 is the brightest here, maybe slightly too bright? Skin colour while nice in the G4, seems a tad too warm. S6, too much warmth, and the image seems blurry, especially the young lady, looking at the face and dress, things are not in focus or just blurry. Z3 does ok in the sharpness, slightly darker here, but expected with a slightly faster shutter speed, noise controlled well, and colour is good, maybe a tad on the cooler side. Z5, dress is quite sharp, look at the flowers. Yes they become blurry as you make your way down, same for all the other devices. Maybe a tad too dark, but can be fixed, probably best colour here if you ask me.
Let's look at the settings.
Z5: 5520x4140, F2, 1/64s, ISO 80
Z3: 3268x2448 F2, 1/40s, ISo 64
S6: 5312x2998, F1.9, 1/33s, ISO 80
G4: 5312x2998, F1.8, 1/30s, ISO 100
So how does the Z5 fare? Hard to say, doesn't destroy everything, but doesn't fail either, in the middle for now. Given pre-production software and possibly hardware, expected. Sony needs to fix the noise issue before putting this on sale. Lack of OIS hurts the Z5 at times but it will be interesting to see how well if fares in manual mode at full res. Looking forwards to reviews of production devices and getting my hands on one to test it as well.
So does the f1.9 and f1.8 lenses in S6 and G5 respectively help? Most likely, but the OIS is for sure a major help, especially in shots with longer exposures. Thing is, how much difference is the slightly larger aperture of 1.9 of 1.8 in the mobile world? Especially given the sensors are not the same size? Comparing the S6 to G4 using the same ISO and shutter speed would probably be ideal to see how much of a difference f0.1 makes.
Btw anyone know if the 1/2.6 sensors in the G4 and S6 are natively 16:9 or the images are cropped from a 4:3 part of the sensor?
thanks for reading. 
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Thank a lot ascariss,
Your explanation is really great and I always angry on the fact that SONY don't use something like laser auto focus, OIS and don't let user control the shutter speed manually. Damn you SONY... | |
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