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Xajel
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On 2014-02-12 07:31:29, itsjustJOH wrote:
I too hope that it's just a prototype, and an old prototype. I hope the real deal will come with, if they still insist with 16 GB, 16, 32 and 64 GB variants and a QHD screen just to be on par with the S5.
S5 will have two versions, QHD and FullHD...
plus, personally I don't care about S5.. Sure I would love for Sony to compete, but not against S5.. looking for something higher, like HTC and iPhone... Samsung made it clear with S3 & S4 that they don't care about perfection.. they care about mass production and increased profit... hell iPhone is selling more and it still premium without sacrificing anything... I don't want Sony to compete with such cheap logic..
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amirprog
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Well, it's no surprise that samsung will keep being the undisputed top seller in mobile at least in the coming years. what i'd love to see improved about sony is putting in the market more mature hardware and software - like better camera all around - better auto mode, low light, processing, exposure. to lead in camera quality in all modes at least in the android world. not getting cheap with display quality of viewing angles - they should have used IPS since xperia z, why only now??? they can't read the market that voted for IPS? sony may not use all their power they have in the spec race like samsung but in the other hand apple is doing better job then them on putting more complete and mature devices i think. also, they should turn the z ultra into a second flagship like samsung is doing with the note. oh, and ditch that shatter film. what i wrote are some of the things that will bring them to be in top 3 mobile companies, aside of marketing.
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Xajel
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@amirprog, agree... Apple can do it coz every company wants to have business with Apple, the reason is because Apple will guarantee a huge amount of orders... Sony can't offer this as they don't have that strong sales, if yes then companies will be happy to have Sony... One of the reasons of this is because Sony is targeting two flagships per year, so they can't go for higher orders as they will soon change the flagship with another one and different specifications...
I guess the reason for this, why Sony is doing two flagships rather than one. is because Sony do want higher sales, Sony flagships tends to have only timely interests when first launched, after few months peoples will no longer looking for it and will start going for other companies...
having two flagships means that when peoples will start thinking of going away from Sony to other brands they will have another look at Sony duo to the new flagship...
So Is Sony is doing the right thing of having two flagships to increase the sales ?
No, as if the flagship was strong enough and perfect.. it will hold it's power for longer period...
The Problem is Sony does want to move for one flagship now but they can't as suppliers can't doesn't trust Sony yet.. they're just started to trust them like how Qualcomm now.. but still they need more work to do this...
and they can't afford going extreme and rush it and ordering huge amount from suppliers to build the perfect one then the sales doesn't come close to what they hoped..
What I think is that they're working slowly to increase the sales until they reach a point where they can guarantee that a 1 flagship per year will work for the entire year and cover the sales of two separate flagships...
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amirprog
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@Xajel
what you say is interesting. when i think about it, no other mobile company announce a flagship every half a year, even not companies that sell less then sony, right? i can't think of one company. |
Xajel
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@amirprog, only small players do it specially in china, but big Chinese makers don't do it..
The solution from my side will be cancel the second flagship saving the money for it's development to strength the single flagship in both Advertisement side and Software support side...
Peoples still complaining about slow updates from Sony, some might say most peoples doesn't care about Android version, I say true, but most peoples want every issue to be resolved very soon.. and the minority that care about Android version actually are the peoples who's being asked if one brand is okay or not...
HTC and Samsung are accelerating updates, and Sony is trying to follow them.. but they will not if they keep flooding the market with multiple flagships... fewer devices = more time for each device = faster updates...
No body want's to have a $600+ flagship and then forgotten in less than a year... people hate to have anything then in few months there's a another newer model.. it's like having a new car which is supposed to live for 3 years of being unique and new then just in one year the company redesigned & face-lifted it with better design and features !! you will hate your new car which became old !!
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amirprog
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@Xajel
totally Agreed.
did anyone notice this (wikipedia):
Annual best-selling handsets of 2013:
Apple Iphone 4S, 97 million sold
Samsung S4,over 55 million sold
Nokia Lumia 520, 10 million sold
SONY XPERIA Z,6 million sold
BlackBerry Q10, 3 million sold
isn't that enough proof that sony can be strong enough with one flagship per year?
i don't know how accurate this list is but if it's updated for the whole year then Z sold more then the praised LG G2 and Note 3.
there is no details yet for 2013 best selling manufacturers. i expect sony to jump one rank up in sells. they were ranked 7-9 in 2012.
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xperia_sakth
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Whether below picture is real one? someone claim Sony accidentally post the picture..
http://a.disquscdn.com/upload[....]d/images/836/7255/original.jpg
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amirprog
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@xperia_sakth
Fake - that is if "irimas" (from xda) prototype is the final design. seems like a wishlist - the top and bottom bezel are very thin, really not typical for sony choice of thin profile design over small bezel and thick profile.
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ascariss
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Of course it's real, it's just the Z1 and the playmemories app.
On an unrelated matter, I was hoping the alpha6000 would be cheaper than that, polish currency on the site and at 2700pln, it is a bit too much for me to replace my NEX-5N, unless the body alone if sold will be cheaper, but I doubt it. |
amirprog
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@ascariss
if you think this is the Z1 then i think you need to see your nearest optometrist, hehe. this looks like the Z1 with a touch of photoshop. does sony use photoshop on their own devices? i hope not.
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itsjustJOH
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@Xajel
I don't see Samsung as selling cheap devices, at least not their flagships. The S4 may look cheap with its plastic build and a dumb-looking UI, but in terms of stability both in software and hardware, they really provide. 2K may be absurd in a 5-5.2" screen but it would be S5's main selling point against it's competitors, heck even Oppo's next flagship is rumored to have a 2K display.
@amirprog
The reason why Sony had not used IPS in their display before, probably the most probable as it only came from a few people in the internet, is that they were committed to sell an amount of those poor displays from an old supply chain before they can buy themselves a new supply chain with better quality which they have successfully done now.
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Tsepz_GP
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On 2014-02-12 12:47:16, amirprog wrote:
@Xajel
totally Agreed.
did anyone notice this (wikipedia):
Annual best-selling handsets of 2013:
Apple Iphone 4S, 97 million sold
Samsung S4,over 55 million sold
Nokia Lumia 520, 10 million sold
SONY XPERIA Z,6 million sold
BlackBerry Q10, 3 million sold
isn't that enough proof that sony can be strong enough with one flagship per year?
i don't know how accurate this list is but if it's updated for the whole year then Z sold more then the praised LG G2 and Note 3.
there is no details yet for 2013 best selling manufacturers. i expect sony to jump one rank up in sells. they were ranked 7-9 in 2012.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:00 ]
The Note 3 did 10million, long ago:
http://bgr.com/2013/12/10/samsung-galaxy-note-3-sales-10-million/
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Xajel
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On 2014-02-12 14:18:29, itsjustJOH wrote:
@Xajel
I don't see Samsung as selling cheap devices, at least not their flagships. The S4 may look cheap with its plastic build and a dumb-looking UI, but in terms of stability both in software and hardware, they really provide. 2K may be absurd in a 5-5.2" screen but it would be S5's main selling point against it's competitors, heck even Oppo's next flagship is rumored to have a 2K display.
I might partly agree with you, not because of my hate to Samsung but because of personal experience, I already have Note 2 which I gave to my wife and I have S4...
Note 2 was okay, but lately it keeps restarting and stuck for no reason, I factory-reset it and flashed new firmware just to make everything clean but still no go, still restart and shutdown and sometimes stuck for no reason...
The S4 was a disaster (i9500, the 3G Exynos version), It's been 13 months now since I have it and for more than half that period the device was over heating with no reason even for simple apps like WhatsApp or Fb or G+.. battery life was awful requiring charging for 3 times per day, and two updates didn't solve the problem until I used a Russian firmware which was more stable but still overheats some times but not as frequent as before.. the firmware for my country kept the same problems even for another third update according to local regional forums which all was facing the same problem and alot of them went for other firmwares ( Russian or German ) just to get rid of this problem but most doesn't as they prefer Arabic UI language which is only available in the regional firmwares...
Now the situation is better as I updated it to 4.3 with my regional firmware ( not russian )... it now behave normally after 9 months of releasing...
And the Knox is another disaster, even if you flashed a simple root the Knox bit will be 1 and warranty is void and Knox is not reversible.. even if you removed the root and flashed stock firmware the service center will check the Knox bit, if it was 1 then warranty is void !!
I bought these two Samsung because my contract wasn't aligned with Sony's product launch, and after S4 I'm done, my contract is already over from 2 months, I converted it to prepaid, temporarily until Sony launches Sirius here.
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amirprog
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@itsjustJOH
Yeah, i heard that, i think it's a bad management and strategy. why did they have to buy so many VA panels (or whatever type of LCD display they had) for xperia Z which is a half a year flagship? why did they choose that type of panel instead of IPS?
@Tsepz_GP
Yeah, you are right. that list is not updated. at least sony sold more then 2012. a good thing. would be interesting to see the numbers.
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ascariss
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On 2014-02-12 13:32:36, amirprog wrote:
@ascariss
if you think this is the Z1 then i think you need to see your nearest optometrist, hehe. this looks like the Z1 with a touch of photoshop. does sony use photoshop on their own devices? i hope not.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:59 ]
It is the Z1 just photoshopped, Sony has done this in the past in such photos and sometimes it is the fault of the firm that does the work for sony since it might not be in house.
The differences from the Z1 are the bezels, top, side and bottom but that is not because it is a new device, that is because the screen image is simulated and was pasted onto the device poorly making the bezels smaller. Plus it is running android 4.3 and not kitkat which any new device would be especially in press pictures.
Look at the speaker grill, if you bring down the lines from the edge of the speaker grill they line up with the Z1. Also the notification light on surius is much much wider and this is clearly not the case on the image.
I've been photoshopping images for a long time now, over 10 years and such mistakes occur in press photos, it occurs quite a lot in the car industry especially.
Sony made an effort to cut down on leaks, I doubt they would make such a mistake where it would leak with the A6000 image. It's just a poorly photoshopped Z1 with playmemories app blown up with simulated images, nothing more. | |
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