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Supa_Fly
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Posted: 2013-08-29 00:20
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On 2013-08-26 15:59:13, Ricky D wrote:
Not digging it.



I'll be happy to take yours then considering you've recently upgraded to the XZ.


On 2013-08-26 16:29:23, Shotokan81 wrote:

It looks very similar to z, but the z was already the best design imo.
The z design "problems" (meaning i did not buy it) for me were:
- flap for charging
- flap for mini jack
- no shutter button.

It sounds like now i have everything i wanted design wise.



There is a flap for charger and mini jack; you've just not noticed. Why doesn't Sony use a slider like LG did on the original Optimus? come to think of it ONLY LG has ever used a slider for their port covers and did so only 1 time.
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Posted: 2013-08-29 00:47
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^I believe shotokan is referring to the ability to charge via magnetic dock, which is flapless.

and there is no flap for the headphone jack
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Posted: 2013-08-29 01:29
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On 2013-08-28 23:21:38, Ambroos wrote:

On 2013-08-28 21:12:32, Geoffxx wrote:

On 2013-08-28 15:35:01, Ambroos wrote:
Once again, don't expect a handset smaller than Honami with the same specs (no Snapdragon 800, most likely no 20MP cam). There might be a smaller high-end phone, but it won't be Honami-high-end.

Those specs on Alpha Rumours came from PDA DB and were just wrong. (Which is why they were removed from the site.)



I am honestly having trouble figuring out what you base your ....opinion.... on, the only difference I see between the Z1 and a Mini version would be the screen and the battery being smaller - the device might even be a little thicker, now anyone that understands the tech will know why I'm saying this


The problem with forums like these is people give random opinions without actually explaining why they are saying what they are saying - smaller screen requires smaller battery - the camera and the CPU and GPU have nothing to do with it

I know exactly what I'm saying, thanks. I just mean that the Snapdragon 800 is by comparison a bigger SoC than usual and it requires quite some power while in use. A smaller display would help, but reducing the battery size with a Snapdragon 800 would lead to too little usage time under load. And well, a Snapdragon 800 has no use really, especially not for non-full-HD-phones. A Snapdragon 400 makes more sense. A Snapdragon 600 might work too, but they'd have to be careful.

Plus, a bigger device equals slightly better heat dispersion. When you're dealing with powerhouses like the 600 and the 800 that becomes important. There's a very good reason Samsung never used the Exynos 5 dual in smartphones.


Actually, the SD800 is virtually as power efficient as the 600. So I don't see what the point of your argument is, or how it is you can make that claim with such authority when tests prove it is not so.

http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/07/benchmark-snapdragon-800/

Also, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say the 800 is bigger than usual. What is usual? Both the 800 and 600 are quadcore built on 28nm manufacturing. Making arbitrary statements, like "bigger than usual" is not a helpful starting point for a discussion.
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Posted: 2013-08-29 02:01
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On 2013-08-29 00:47:21, moogoo wrote:
^I believe shotokan is referring to the ability to charge via magnetic dock, which is flapless.

and there is no flap for the headphone jack
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2013-08-28 23:48 ]



Indeed that conversation was about the new magnetic charger, no flap!

And yes I still fail to see the flap on honami mini jack, because there is not!
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Posted: 2013-08-29 02:23
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On 2013-08-28 17:08:31, vikeviki wrote:
Some one mentioned Honami cost will be 50k INR roughly 800$

http://ipsmart.blogspot.in/20[....]mi-will-cost-about-800-in.html


how cane we afford it Ramu its more costly than XZU


It's just about 729.00 USD. May be they had some mistake about the currency exchange rate.

I'm waiting for HK and Taiwan prices

Any one knows how munch the DK30 cost? In my country it's about $62 for each.
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Posted: 2013-08-29 04:45
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On 2013-08-29 01:29:52, dr.W wrote:

On 2013-08-28 23:21:38, Ambroos wrote:

On 2013-08-28 21:12:32, Geoffxx wrote:

On 2013-08-28 15:35:01, Ambroos wrote:
Once again, don't expect a handset smaller than Honami with the same specs (no Snapdragon 800, most likely no 20MP cam). There might be a smaller high-end phone, but it won't be Honami-high-end.

Those specs on Alpha Rumours came from PDA DB and were just wrong. (Which is why they were removed from the site.)



I am honestly having trouble figuring out what you base your ....opinion.... on, the only difference I see between the Z1 and a Mini version would be the screen and the battery being smaller - the device might even be a little thicker, now anyone that understands the tech will know why I'm saying this


The problem with forums like these is people give random opinions without actually explaining why they are saying what they are saying - smaller screen requires smaller battery - the camera and the CPU and GPU have nothing to do with it

I know exactly what I'm saying, thanks. I just mean that the Snapdragon 800 is by comparison a bigger SoC than usual and it requires quite some power while in use. A smaller display would help, but reducing the battery size with a Snapdragon 800 would lead to too little usage time under load. And well, a Snapdragon 800 has no use really, especially not for non-full-HD-phones. A Snapdragon 400 makes more sense. A Snapdragon 600 might work too, but they'd have to be careful.

Plus, a bigger device equals slightly better heat dispersion. When you're dealing with powerhouses like the 600 and the 800 that becomes important. There's a very good reason Samsung never used the Exynos 5 dual in smartphones.


Actually, the SD800 is virtually as power efficient as the 600. So I don't see what the point of your argument is, or how it is you can make that claim with such authority when tests prove it is not so.

http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/07/benchmark-snapdragon-800/

Also, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say the 800 is bigger than usual. What is usual? Both the 800 and 600 are quadcore built on 28nm manufacturing. Making arbitrary statements, like "bigger than usual" is not a helpful starting point for a discussion.


Web browsing can't be considered high load. Under high load (which is for example stitching a Photosphere, playing a heavy 3D game, ...) the difference is bigger.

I'm not saying it's technically impossible, I'm saying it's technically not interesting, and I'm saying I don't believe Sony will release any handset with a display much below the Honami's size.
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Posted: 2013-08-29 08:53
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On 2013-08-29 00:19:00, sami92a wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:13:01, motvikt wrote:

On 2013-08-28 23:34:27, nightwing369 wrote:
Would Sony skip an Android 4.3 update for the Honami, post release, going straight for an Android 5.0 one? Is this likely?



Yes


Motivate that yes.. how would it be possible ? you mean keep Honami on 4.2.2 atleast a year and then update to 5.0?
So many different, conflicting answers... The thing is that Sony/SE have been very slow with updates in the past and with the case of the X10, they skipped an update to Android 2.2, choosing instead to go straight to 2.3. Do you think they would take the same approach as before, in that case, for the Honami; going straight for an update, after the Honami's release, to Android 5.0?
Check this for the latest on the upcoming Sony phones for 2013: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AreyfktYnDHtdHN0bVFPdUFJd0ZiNzZQcjMwV1I5M0E#gid=0
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Posted: 2013-08-29 09:39
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On 2013-08-29 00:19:00, sami92a wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:13:01, motvikt wrote:

On 2013-08-28 23:34:27, nightwing369 wrote:
Would Sony skip an Android 4.3 update for the Honami, post release, going straight for an Android 5.0 one? Is this likely?



Yes


Motivate that yes.. how would it be possible ? you mean keep Honami on 4.2.2 atleast a year and then update to 5.0?


Sorry it was just a bad joke from me, the question was impossible to answer imo
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Posted: 2013-08-29 10:04
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Reading this thread after so long is such a pain . I am just going to assume as if nothing happened since we are so close to IFA
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Posted: 2013-08-29 10:04
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Honami has LTE cat4!
honami has video recording 60fps!
source: xperia-honami.seesaa.net
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Posted: 2013-08-29 10:06
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somebody didnt get the joke...
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Posted: 2013-08-29 10:14
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On 2013-08-29 08:53:33, nightwing369 wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:19:00, sami92a wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:13:01, motvikt wrote:

On 2013-08-28 23:34:27, nightwing369 wrote:
Would Sony skip an Android 4.3 update for the Honami, post release, going straight for an Android 5.0 one? Is this likely?



Yes


Motivate that yes.. how would it be possible ? you mean keep Honami on 4.2.2 atleast a year and then update to 5.0?
So many different, conflicting answers... The thing is that Sony/SE have been very slow with updates in the past and with the case of the X10, they skipped an update to Android 2.2, choosing instead to go straight to 2.3. Do you think they would take the same approach as before, in that case, for the Honami; going straight for an update, after the Honami's release, to Android 5.0?



Then, I think maybe.

Edit: Sorry if this was not clear, I meant maybe not.

I hope this helps.
[ This Message was edited by: Shotokan81 on 2013-08-29 09:18 ]
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nightwing369
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Posted: 2013-08-29 10:24
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On 2013-08-29 10:14:47, Shotokan81 wrote:

On 2013-08-29 08:53:33, nightwing369 wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:19:00, sami92a wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:13:01, motvikt wrote:

On 2013-08-28 23:34:27, nightwing369 wrote:
Would Sony skip an Android 4.3 update for the Honami, post release, going straight for an Android 5.0 one? Is this likely?



Yes


Motivate that yes.. how would it be possible ? you mean keep Honami on 4.2.2 atleast a year and then update to 5.0?
So many different, conflicting answers... The thing is that Sony/SE have been very slow with updates in the past and with the case of the X10, they skipped an update to Android 2.2, choosing instead to go straight to 2.3. Do you think they would take the same approach as before, in that case, for the Honami; going straight for an update, after the Honami's release, to Android 5.0?



Then, I think maybe.

Edit: Sorry if this was not clear, I meant maybe not.

I hope this helps.
[ This Message was edited by: Shotokan81 on 2013-08-29 09:18 ]

So they'll either release the Honami with 4.3, or update to it to that very soon after its release?
Check this for the latest on the upcoming Sony phones for 2013: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AreyfktYnDHtdHN0bVFPdUFJd0ZiNzZQcjMwV1I5M0E#gid=0
Shotokan81
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Posted: 2013-08-29 10:40
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On 2013-08-29 10:24:37, nightwing369 wrote:

On 2013-08-29 10:14:47, Shotokan81 wrote:

On 2013-08-29 08:53:33, nightwing369 wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:19:00, sami92a wrote:

On 2013-08-29 00:13:01, motvikt wrote:

On 2013-08-28 23:34:27, nightwing369 wrote:
Would Sony skip an Android 4.3 update for the Honami, post release, going straight for an Android 5.0 one? Is this likely?



Yes


Motivate that yes.. how would it be possible ? you mean keep Honami on 4.2.2 atleast a year and then update to 5.0?
So many different, conflicting answers... The thing is that Sony/SE have been very slow with updates in the past and with the case of the X10, they skipped an update to Android 2.2, choosing instead to go straight to 2.3. Do you think they would take the same approach as before, in that case, for the Honami; going straight for an update, after the Honami's release, to Android 5.0?



Then, I think maybe.

Edit: Sorry if this was not clear, I meant maybe not.

I hope this helps.
[ This Message was edited by: Shotokan81 on 2013-08-29 09:18 ]

So they'll either release the Honami with 4.3, or update to it to that very soon after its release?



Maybe.

I guess what I am trying to say is, if this forum members do not have the answer, you don't need to post the question several times.

You may be more lucky by posting the question on other sites with a different public. I can suggest the comment sectio of Phone arena to begin with.

I hope this helps
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Posted: 2013-08-29 11:15
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Unknown13x, where art thou? I guess you have the complete Z1 spec sheet with u by now

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