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northmonkey
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Posted: 2010-03-15 23:32
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I keep wondering, Why is it that phone manufacturers continue to use LED flashes'? I know they are good for video recording but why not have an LED and a Xenon?

I have just bought myself a Nokia N82 because not only is it still one of the best phones around, It has an amazing camera with a great flash, Probably one of the best if not the best cameraphone evermade!

Thing is why have Nokia continued to put crappy LED flashes' on phones such as Nokia N97, Nokia N86 etc etc? It makes no sense!

A lot of people like me like to and enjoy using their phone to take pictures and if the phone had a decent xenon flash you wouldn't have to carry your digital camera around with you everywhere constantly.

Not many phones have Xenon to my knowledge, Only the Sony Ericsson C905, Satio and the Nokia N82 and Samsung Pixon 12 have Xenon, The C901 is not available here in the UK, I wouldn't class the LG Renoir as having a Xenon flash as the flash on that performs like an LED!

Also i don't see any phones that are coming out soon that have Xenon on either, What's going on?
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Posted: 2010-03-15 23:56
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Maybe it's more expensive or maybe manufacturers are trying to keep phones small. Am I right or wrong in saying the phone needs to be fairly big to house a Xenon? How big is the c901? That has one.
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:00
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On 2010-03-15 23:56:45, Bonovox wrote:
Maybe it's more expensive or maybe manufacturers are trying to keep phones small. Am I right or wrong in saying the phone needs to be fairly big to house a Xenon? How big is the c901? That has one.



Yes it probably is more expensive but there is a lot of people who would pay more for a phone with xenon, I certainly would anyway! Also yes the phone does have to be bigger which is a good point but i'd rather have something a bit bigger like the N82 and have a xenon than have a slim phone with LED.

The C901 isn't that big to be honest, I just don't understand it.
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:09
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Or maybe because manufactures want to continue to sell digital camaras! If the difference between camaras and phones continue to short... they will sell 0 camaras
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:26
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On 2010-03-16 00:09:04, miguel82 wrote:
Or maybe because manufactures want to continue to sell digital camaras! If the difference between camaras and phones continue to short... they will sell 0 camaras


Nokia don't do Digital Camera's though People would still buy Digital Camera's even if all phones had Xenon because phones don't have optical zoom and digital zoom on phones is crap!
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:26
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From what i have recently read(I forget where)sales of dedicated digital cameras has actually risen despite the advances in mobile phone cameras. I know why & that is a phone still cannot compare even with a Xenon. I too, do not like phones being too small, like a good woman there is no fun with skinny thin body Optical zoom as previously seen in 3 phones from Sharp,Nokia & Samsung makes the phone way too big.
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northmonkey
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:40
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On 2010-03-16 00:26:56, Bonovox wrote:
From what i have recently read(I forget where)sales of dedicated digital cameras has actually risen despite the advances in mobile phone cameras. I know why & that is a phone still cannot compare even with a Xenon. I too, do not like phones being too small, like a good woman there is no fun with skinny thin body Optical zoom as previously seen in 3 phones from Sharp,Nokia & Samsung makes the phone way too big.
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I'm not too worried about optical zoom on a phone, just a xenon for night shots.

Still think the N82 is one of the best phones evermade, Great build quality, Excellent camera, Flash is like a nuke going off! Has all the features you need, Still think it beats that majority of phones that are out today, The camera on it beats every phone around in my opinion.
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:50
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Ye, N82 has a great camera and amazing flash. Took some pics of a Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG with a DTM body kit with one a few years ago in a dark parking lot,pic is in my Esato gallery,not the best pic out there but its the best performer ive seen in low light. Even exposed that the owner of that Merc had illegaly tempered with his number plates to avoid speeding fines.
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Posted: 2010-03-16 00:56
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Which is why i don't understand Nokia not putting a Xenon flash in the n86. Seemed a strange move. The n82 is very good the brightest flash i seen.
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Posted: 2010-10-06 19:02
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It's because you need an led for video and high resolution video is on the march.
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Posted: 2010-10-06 19:11
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But phones can have LED 'flashes' (they aren't really flashes imo) and a xenon flash too.
I think most phones don't have xenon because it adds a lot of weight to the phones and adds cost of production. Led flashes are terrible in comparison.
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Posted: 2010-10-06 19:48
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I have had a few phones with excellent LED "flashes" like the Samsung Jet & iphone 4 which reached a good distance in darkness like this shot I did with Samsung Jet
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Posted: 2010-10-06 19:55
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I agree my i8910 has a strong led but I think itīs a matter of space with both an led and a zenon. It makes the camera module both larger and much more complicated. Phones usually start out as several different projects which are then assimilated and if you came to the table with an led zenon hybrid camera module you'd be told to go and lose one of them.
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Posted: 2010-10-06 20:02
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This was taken with iphone 4 in pitch black though it's noisy it's better than most LED's
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Posted: 2010-10-06 21:20
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Though, recently try out Iphone 4 LED it was some surprising result for me too.

At this time, Iphone 4 is now all round powerful device

I would love to get one myself but SATIO especially piece of xenon and another 3Gs won't let me
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