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aksd
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But the difference between QVGA @ 24fps and VGA @ 30fps is a big deal dont you think  , although I never use the video cam, its nice to know the feature is present if ever you need it when you're paying such a high price for the product.
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Dogmann
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Of course it is and a large difference at that but like you I'm not really into taking Video's or pictures much but if your paying top $ you should expect the best. Although i do tend to watch a lot of stuff on my device and that's where up to 30fps VGA H.264 comes in.
But the X1 doesn't appeal to me for other reasons as I'm not a great touch screen fan and sorry but the keyboard looks rubbish IMO not enough keys and not enough travel. I am also not that great a fan of the HTC version either for similar reasons but then that's just what i want and need from a device and doesn't make them bad or wrong for anyone else.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-04 16:15:32, BIG-Stan wrote:
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Dude, you just need to hit up the russian section of the site and its a podcast. In case you want to listen to it in russian
http://www.mobile-review.com/podcasts/2008/may/82/mr082-1.mp3
And why is that bs?because you dont like the news? Thats just childish...
I call it BS because this is some very "salacious" information pertaining to a highly anticipated device (highly anticipated by all). Such info, if true, would be widely known, reported or repeated. There is also too much information to the contrary. I'm just using logic here.
The X1 release date has always been 2nd half of 2008 and, so far, it hasn't been changed from that. The USA Diamond Pro doesn't seem to be released any sooner (and they even added 96MB of RAM to it. Should it be concluded that HTC is having problems?) Fourth quarter release dates are most likely aligned with the USA Christmas season. Everything "new and exciting" tends to be released around this time from new devices to movies to top musical artists to children's toys. X1 is primarily a device intended for the US by  and so is the North American version of the Touch Pro, therefore their respective release dates.
Of course this is all my opinion, which I'm sure will bear out to be fact.  I just tend not to believe isolated rumours as they are most likely rooted in bias. |
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@WhyBe,
Firstly, I think saying that Eldar speak is bull shit is pushing it a wee bit too far. Through the years, he's provided concrete info on most of his comments, although sometimes he might be a bit off, which happens, might or might not be his fault. If he did say the X1 is'nt all that hot, I'd believe him as you also need to consider the time of its release, if the Diamond Pro or the X1 were to release late 2008 in the US I'd advise you to scrap them both and get updated hardware with WM7 which should be out Q1-Q2 2009, and thats worth the wait, but thats just my opinion.
I disagree with you also on the point where you say that its hotly anticipated by all, thats quite off the mark actually,most TyTn II owners or PPC owners with similar devices are planning on skipping this gen devices. What is really anticipated are devices based on the Qualcomm SNapdragon, Nvidia 2500 and WM7 coming CES 2009. I understand for someone using a P910 this must be a godsend , but when you've been using similar specs for the last year it feels a bit dated. Like I mentioned earlier its an evolution model not a revolutionary model(again I understand from where you're coming P910 to X1 is revolutionary ), but just because you are coming from dated hardware does'nt make the X1, Diamond or the pro anything to really shout about, they're good phones but not "amazing".
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On 2008-06-04 19:05:10, WhyBe wrote:
The USA Diamond Pro doesn't seem to be released any sooner (and they even added 96MB of RAM to it. Should it be concluded that HTC is having problems?)
They didn't add any RAM. it's 288mb from the beginning for rafael and they didn't change it in diamond. i think the only reason for 288mb is because xperia has 256mb and it has to have more because people are specs freaks. they also use bigger battery in rafael and obviously not because diamond's is to weak - nobody knows yet, but because xperia uses a large one as well. these are the two things which were in favour xperia and were debated over and over again on different forums, so HTC made a device that eliminated those shortcommings. now you can buy either and not make a mistake. |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-04 19:43:49, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe,
...Through the years, he's provided concrete info on most of his comments, although sometimes he might be a bit off, which happens, might or might not be his fault....
So you agree with me that his info is questionable?
I disagree with you also on the point where you say that its hotly anticipated by all, thats quite off the mark actually,most TyTn II owners or PPC owners with similar devices are planning on skipping this gen devices. What is really anticipated are devices based on the Qualcomm SNapdragon, Nvidia 2500 and WM7 coming CES 2009.
You keep giving me "techie responses" instead of something that reflects general consumers  I talked to the saleman at the local SonyStyle store and he said the X1 is easily the most anticipated and asked about device at that store. This is a general consumer store (in a mall) and not a "geek" store. Techies view all of this stuff differently than general consumers.
I understand for someone using a P910 this must be a godsend , but when you've been using similar specs for the last year it feels a bit dated. Like I mentioned earlier its an evolution model not a revolutionary model(again I understand from where you're coming P910 to X1 is revolutionary ), but just because you are coming from dated hardware does'nt make the X1, Diamond or the pro anything to really shout about, they're good phones but not "amazing".
Ha ha . I'm fully aware of the tech cycle. Every device is an evolutionary model. The cell phone was revolutionary. The X1 will be shortly superceded by another more capable device--that's common sense. This is where great software and design come into play. A device with great specs does not always translate into "the better device" in the consumer eyes (the tech-heads, yes).
I think learned their lesson from the p990 and p1i. To me, the p910 was a better designed phone, albeit less powerful spec-wise than the newer p-series. I decided to skip those two and I definitely didn't like what I saw in WM phones even though they were all more powerful and newer than the p910. The p910 design kept me.
It seems, according to you, there will never be a great phone because you are always looking at what is coming out six months from now . How effectively do you use any of your given phones before you start anticipating the next model? |
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Well SE has recieved the hardware with fully functioning basic software, so personally I dont think there are any core problems with the X1, although writing all the other apps will be a pain in the arse, I dont think that these apps should pull down the phone performance to the extent that it is unusable. Might become a bit slow with the panels running, but its not a critical problem, like on the P990 if you get what I mean. But I'm sure they're having problems developing for WM as it will all be core development and they have limited resources, the reason for the existence of the X1 is their limited resources imo. But if SE do mess up this product, the I guess there no hope for them as the major work was already done by HTC, they just had to add the icing.
We'll I'm inregular touch with SE marketing guys and the service center chaps, and some of the marketing fellows have actually used it, and they were not too impressed.
Regarding me looking out at whats coming out in the next six months, thats basically not true. Look at it from my point of view, I've got this 900USD phone, being a student its something unbelievable, the next gen phones come out, it uses the same processor which is slightly higher clocked, its got the same cam, the same GPS, similar size, same platform, just a bit of a change where eyecandy is concerened, slightly improved 3D performance, and a bit more RAM. Now would you pay another 900USD for this phone in say a year or less? Or would you rather keep that 900USD and buy somehting that is more advanced in a matter of 6-8months, and which is totally next generation. If I had money to throw I most likely would have both the Pro as well as the X1, since I dont I know my current hardware is not worth the upgrade, since there is absolutely nothing worth paying another 900USD for and upgrading to in this generation of phones. But if the X1 or the Pro had the Snapdragon I would have ditched the TyTn II before you could blink, for it . I hope you get my point.
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
You know you really are funny you asked a man at the Sony Style shop who will sell the X1 just what did you expect him yo say? It's having problems and competitors products will be as good or better. That's like going into a Ford garage and asking how great will this new Ford be.
As far as techie consumers the only ones really interested in the X1 are SE fans and there really aren't enough to make it a hit. If HTC's product is available with subsidy from Networks just who do you think will buy the X1 sim free seems a question you don't have an answer or opinion on.
Re Eldar maybe it escaped your notice but he has an X1 and has just got new firmware for it so as far as who's information can be relied on his experience against what you think really there's no contest is there.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-04 20:47:40, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe
...Look at it from my point of view, I've got this 900USD phone, being a student its something unbelievable, the next gen phones come out, it uses the same processor which is slightly higher clocked, its got the same cam, the same GPS, similar size, same platform, just a bit of a change where eyecandy is concerened, slightly improved 3D performance, and a bit more RAM. Now would you pay another 900USD for this phone in say a year or less? Or would you rather keep that 900USD and buy somehting that is more advanced in a matter of 6-8months, and which is totally next generation...
..... hope you get my point.
Your buying philosophy is similar to mine then . I think, I just have more will power to wait 
How much better is "next-generation" going to be? It will be faster with better graphics, of course, but you'll still be taking the same pictures, listening to the same MP3's, running the same type of applications and making the same phone calls . IOW nothing revolutionary is going to happen when the Snapdragon gets here unless some new killer feature or application is introduced with it. |
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I really dont think, that Eldar has full info about X1. He was deniformed by SE`s insider first time. And now i think he simply doesn`t has full view. Even with proto in his hand...
His opinion has to many "white places"
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aksd
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THats where you're wrong, the next generation is going to be much much faster. Better DSP's for better sound, the MSM7200 processor has some really good sound performce this can be checked from Eldars reviews on Mobile Review. Better than any previous WM phone. If you use the Tilt cam you'll know its unusable in low light, so I expect the next gen phone to have a decent flash.
Regarding the "Killer" application, with Snapdragon you can have OpenGL 2.0 support your UI can become beautiful , WM7 should launch with snapdragon. Snapdragon will have enough power to run close to desktop performance. A smartphone is all baout being an extension to your PC and snapdragons going to get you 1 step closer to the goal of a portable computer. And its not just snap dragon its also the Nvidia processor and the OMPA3 which Dogmann mentioned boots S60 in a few seconds, faster is always better. Now thats revolutionary, it'll revolutionise performance. Search for Nvidia APX2500 videos as well, check out the UI its capable of, the iPhone UI looks like something ancient when compared to it. I'm not saying we will get those UI/s but its what might be available. Also multimedia features are far better with 720p output, and better battery performance.
For a few details on Snapdragon goto www.qctconnect.com
Now I'm waaay OT
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Dogmann
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@askd
I have to say the latest released video's of Android in action also look really good as the OS is both fast and has lot's of user friendly options it looks as good if not better than the iPhones OS.
But yes the next generation of chips from all the different manufactures together with 7.2mbps HSDPA will indeed lead to a superior user experience. Hopefully this will be first half of next year and i also am waiting for next gen device before i upgrade as have decided the BB Bold doesn't offer enough for me to make the expense of a worthwhile.
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann
On 2008-06-04 20:51:04, Dogmann wrote:
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You know you really are funny you asked a man at the Sony Style shop who will sell the X1 just what did you expect him yo say? It's having problems and competitors products will be as good or better. That's like going into a Ford garage and asking how great will this new Ford be.
He said, "Can I help you". I simply asked him about the availability date of the X1. "Not sure", he then made some statements over how often the X1 is asked about (more so than any other device in that store). He wasn't selling me anything.
As far as techie consumers the only ones really interested in the X1 are SE fans and there really aren't enough to make it a hit. If HTC's product is available with subsidy from Networks just who do you think will buy the X1 sim free seems a question you don't have an answer or opinion on.
Judging by this thread alone, it seems plenty of people will buy the X1. Everyone, I've shown this phone to drools over it. (Hell, I even still get a few slobbers over my old p910 It's all in the design.) Whether someone buys it SIM free or not I don't see the relevance. I, personally, will buy the SIM-free if the X1a is crippled. Based on it's design, price tag and brand name, I predict X1 will be a U.S. hit (it's a status thing here). Worldwide, I don't know and definitely not iPhone level sales (too expensive).
Re Eldar maybe it escaped your notice but he has an X1 and has just got new firmware for it so as far as who's information can be relied on his experience against what you think really there's no contest is there.
Are BengalBoy's reviews not valid?
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@Whybe, you say it won’t be iphone level of demand/popular etc. but even the iphone has fallen well short of its predicted sales figures. How many iphones do you actually see around?
These do everything phones still seem generally lacklustre in the battery life department due to all the whizz-bang features, which is probably a lot of people’s no. 2 priority and would put a lot off, no. 1 being price of course.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-04 21:34:13, iwantfatty wrote:
@Whybe, you say it won’t be iphone level of demand/popular etc. but even the iphone has fallen well short of its predicted sales figures. How many iphones do you actually see around?
At my church, a sound tech guy, both the copastors, the guy working in the office. Also, my buddy the at&t saleman (who carries 4 phones around all the time)....that's five right there. I think the only reason iPhone didn't sell more is because of the availability.
Oh yeah, my musician buddy living in Arkansas...that's six. | |
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