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Miss UK
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Samsung have developed a 8 MegaPixel Camera Module which is likely to go into production first half of next year which is likely we wont see any handset till 2009.
http://www.tech.co.uk/gadgets[....]le-phones?articleid=1451178687
anyway read on above within the link as the pages protected cannot copy and paste 
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I think the 5 MegaPixel camfones (:se: K850 et al) ALREADY threatens the EXISTENCE of the 3-4 MP digicams 
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razec
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If those cam phones would have:
-1/2.5 or a 1/1.8Sony Super Had CCD sensor or the Fuji CCD honeycomb sensor
-at least 1.5-2 fps burst mode or the 10fps unsaved burst mode like SE's bestpic
-proper image processor which greatly influences dynamic range, colors, saturation noise and more.
-Optical IS - CCD shift or Lens Shift
-3 or 5x optical zoom internal without affecting the sensor size just like the T7
-ISO sensitivity of at least up to 1000 without so much noise
-More Settings than what's available at the mid end digicams
then it would really beat mid-low end digicams. but given the fact that mobile companies were focusing upon the trend of slim phones which greatly influences the use of smaller yet crapier sensors i highly doubt it it could even threat them(digicams) although there is one phone who manages to have a 1/2.5" Super HAD CCD sensor - the imobile-902 the lack of Optical Zoom and IS, slower image processing, more decent and digicam like dynamic range just pushed it behind the mid-end digicams.
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Miss UK
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2009 is a lucky year for me as im stuck in a contract till May so be intresting to see what pops up by then, somebody posted about a Motorola phone launching next year so it is actually coming along 
I don't think phones will replace Digital Cameras,
as they come out every year with higher pixels anyway 12MP is standard atm on those by 2009 im sure 20MP will come of age 
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sadeghi85
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On 2007-12-20 03:08:41, razec wrote:
-1/2.5 or a 1/1.8Sony Super Had CCD sensor or the Fuji CCD honeycomb sensor
-at least 1.5-2 fps burst mode or the 10fps unsaved burst mode like SE's bestpic
-proper image processor which greatly influences dynamic range, colors, saturation noise and more.
-Optical IS - CCD shift or Lens Shift
-3 or 5x optical zoom internal without affecting the sensor size just like the T7
-ISO sensitivity of at least up to 1000 without so much noise
-More Settings than what's available at the mid end digicams
Maybe at 2020.
On 2007-12-20 03:11:50, Miss UK wrote:
I don't think phones will replace Digital Cameras,
as they come out every year with higher pixels anyway 12MP is standard atm on those by 2009 im sure 20MP will come of age
Unfortunately they increase megapixels without touching sensor size. no digicams(including camphones) can compete with Fujifilm FinePix F31fd that has only 6MP(read last two paragraphs) and then read this.
megapixels war is ruining image quality.  |
mervy
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On 2007-12-20 22:58:06, sadeghi85 wrote:
On 2007-12-20 03:08:41, razec wrote:
-1/2.5 or a 1/1.8Sony Super Had CCD sensor or the Fuji CCD honeycomb sensor
-at least 1.5-2 fps burst mode or the 10fps unsaved burst mode like SE's bestpic
-proper image processor which greatly influences dynamic range, colors, saturation noise and more.
-Optical IS - CCD shift or Lens Shift
-3 or 5x optical zoom internal without affecting the sensor size just like the T7
-ISO sensitivity of at least up to 1000 without so much noise
-More Settings than what's available at the mid end digicams
Maybe at 2020.
On 2007-12-20 03:11:50, Miss UK wrote:
I don't think phones will replace Digital Cameras,
as they come out every year with higher pixels anyway 12MP is standard atm on those by 2009 im sure 20MP will come of age
Unfortunately they increase megapixels without touching sensor size. no digicams(including camphones) can compete with Fujifilm FinePix F31fd that has only 6MP(read last two paragraphs) and then read this.
megapixels war is ruining image quality.
I agree with u here especially with the FujiFilm f31fd story!! I have one and i know what it can do! Its simply an amazing Camera! CamPhones will one day come at Par, but as of now i dunn think its near as good as the F31 type cameras! MEGAPIXEL aint everything! I have never used anythin more than 3.2 mp in the F31fd! Night Shots is where a Camera's Photos are put to its ultimate test.... |
AbuBasim
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On 2007-12-20 03:08:41, razec wrote:
although there is one phone who manages to have a 1/2.5" Super HAD CCD sensor - the imobile-902 the lack of Optical Zoom and IS, slower image processing, more decent and digicam like dynamic range just pushed it behind the mid-end digicams.
Functionality-wise, the i-mobile 902 equals my two old digital cameras: Olympus C-350 and Sony DSC-S75 (both 3 MP) but without optical zoom and AE lock. It also lacks IS (image stabilization) but so does my two digicams! Quality-wise it is better! Here's a comparison between the Olympus and the 902 I posted some time back in the 902 photos thread:
Note: these are crops of full size photos.
Olympus C-350
i-mobile 902
I would call the 902 a P&S camera with an undersized lens. And due to how the camera puts image quality before user-friendliness, the smaller lens gives slow shutter speeds, making it difficult to operate handheld anywhere except outdoors during daytime, and here is where IS would have been very handy.
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SP1
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You must be joking. I've had my camera nearly 4 years,it takes better pictures than a phone.
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-12-21 10:57:01, SP1 wrote:
You must be joking. I've had my camera nearly 4 years,it takes better pictures than a phone.
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Joking? Look again at my samples above. Edit: I see that you're browsing from a phone. I guess you can't see the photos I posted.
I suspect that no matter which model of camera you own, it is bound to be much better than your Nokia 5300 And it's sure to also be better than SE's and Nokia's current top-of-the-range camera phones. The factor here is the sensor type.
My point in my previous post is that there are camera phones and then there are camera phones!
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i still prefer dedicated digi cams...
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driftmania
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On 2007-12-21 11:29:27, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-12-21 10:57:01, SP1 wrote:
You must be joking. I've had my camera nearly 4 years,it takes better pictures than a phone.
This message was posted from a 5300
Joking? Look again at my samples above. Edit: I see that you're browsing from a phone. I guess you can't see the photos I posted.
I suspect that no matter which model of camera you own, it is bound to be much better than your Nokia 5300 And it's sure to also be better than SE's and Nokia's current top-of-the-range camera phones. The factor here is the sensor type.
My point in my previous post is that there are camera phones and then there are camera phones!
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don't you mean phones w/ cameras and camera phones? |
razec
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On 2007-12-21 08:25:18, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-12-20 03:08:41, razec wrote:
although there is one phone who manages to have a 1/2.5" Super HAD CCD sensor - the imobile-902 the lack of Optical Zoom and IS, slower image processing, more decent and digicam like dynamic range just pushed it behind the mid-end digicams.
Functionality-wise, the i-mobile 902 equals my two old digital cameras: Olympus C-350 and Sony DSC-S75 (both 3 MP) but without optical zoom and AE lock. It also lacks IS (image stabilization) but so does my two digicams! Quality-wise it is better! Here's a comparison between the Olympus and the 902 I posted some time back in the 902 photos thread:
Note: these are crops of full size photos.
Olympus C-350
i-mobile 902
I would call the 902 a P&S camera with an undersized lens. And due to how the camera puts image quality before user-friendliness, the smaller lens gives slow shutter speeds, making it difficult to operate handheld anywhere except outdoors during daytime, and here is where IS would have been very handy.
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-21 10:36 ]
are the two P&S camera used a 1/2.5" sensor?
anyway i would dare you to compare a sony S40 4mp camera to your 902. the S40 uses the same(i guess) 1/2.5" sony HAD CCD but in 4mp and Carl-Zeiss(suddenly) would like to take that challenge for instance mate?
update: i found out that S75 has a 1/1.8" sensor and Carl-Zeiss Vario Sonnar Optics, yet i don't know about Olympus
^^ so by this assumption, i can bet that the S75 beats your 902 quality wise(D-R, noise,Saturation, exposure, speed contrast,picture legibility when pointed to the sun etc), but resolution wise 902 rules - btw wheres the S75 vs 902 comparison?
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-12-22 14:58:10, razec wrote:
update: i found out that S75 has a 1/1.8" sensor and Carl-Zeiss Vario Sonnar Optics, yet i don't know about Olympus
^^ so by this assumption, i can bet that the S75 beats your 902 quality wise(D-R, noise,Saturation, exposure, speed contrast,picture legibility when pointed to the sun etc), but resolution wise 902 rules - btw wheres the S75 vs 902 comparison?
The Olympus has a 1/2.5" CCD sensor according to DPReview.com.
I posted a comparison between the S75 and the 902 a few months ago in one of the K850 or CCD vs CMOS threads but can't find that post now so here are fresh uploads. The following are 800x600 crops at full size:
Olympus C-350
Sony DSC-S75
i-mobile 902
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razec
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^^ as you can see your 902 is still inferior compared to the two above digicams quality wise. i dont know if you notice this but your 902 produces somewhat reddish-like cast throughout the images. olympus has brighter colors among the three but that has disadvantages: it could lead to overexposure when pointed unto a strongly litted object. S75 manages the exposure better - as expected thanks to C-Z Vario Sonnar. anyway even with 5 megapixel trademark 902 wont beat the two digicams since the pixels on the two were larger and also the mere fact that S75 has absolutely larger pixels per inch ratio alongside with the better optics on S75 and DR advantage on Olympus. the 902 doesn't stand a chance against the digicams - quality wise. anyway for better comparisons may you post more comparison pics taken by the three cameras?
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AbuBasim
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Personally I feel that the 902 stands up quite well, considering the fact that it's lens is minuscule compared to the digicams. I feel that the S75 shot looks a bit greenish and lacks clarity. I agree that the Olympus shot is brighter and it got the white balance better than the 902 and the S75 (in that order!), but if you go back to my previous post with the indoor shot you can also see evidence of more noise from that camera, probably due to it being "tuned" for ease of use (i.e. higher ISO and faster shutter) rather than IQ since it's a pure P&S. And this tuning for ease of use is the opposite of how the 902 behaves, with it's long exposures that almost always mess up if you try to shoot hand held anywhere except in strong sun light, and for this reason the 902 is definitely not suitable as a replacement for a P&S.
If I post one more comparison a few days time, then it'll be as a blind test, with EXIF data deleted.
Meanwhile, here's another comparison from the 902 photos thread:
Canon EOS 300D with the 18-55mm kit lens
(Full size.)
i-mobile 902
(Full size.)
(The 902 doesn't stand a chance when comparing the above photos at full size, but then again, I would have been extremely disappointed with Canon if the 902 shot was closer in quality...)
BTW, a guy in the Czech Republic posted an interesting comparison here: i-mobile 902, Sony Ericsson K800i and Canon EOS 30D(!) I don't understand the language but the picture samples say enough on their own.
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