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Aware
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My challenge:
IF T650/K850 CAN RECORD in VGA/30 FPS - GET ME THAT FIRMWARE, I'll test it first hand, and report here AND Se-nse, AND M-R! 
Otherwise, your talk is JUST THAT - TALK 
FAR too many people chatting crap at the moment, with NO PROOF......and, as someone who puts his money where his mouth is, I for one am sick of it...... 
As soon as LG Viewty is out, SE will be THE ONLY manufacturer WITHOUT VGA recording capability. For the people who released W900(QVGA/30fps) in 2005(6 months before ANYONE ELSE), that's a shambles in my book......
Can't believe just how fast a manufacturer can go downhill, all for want of money......I think K850 release will teach SE a hard lesson though......
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The n95 is one of the best (if not the best) camera quality a cellphone does have as of today. SE suffers from a bad plastic lens. 5, 7 or even 10 Mp is not going to help much. Also to be able to record vga at 30fps a cellphone needs lots of 'horse power' which clearly non of the SE models have. On the other hand I don't think the members in here should compare the N95 to any of the Se cells. Keep in mind, the manufacturer of the N95 is bigger then next 3 cell companies (se included) counted together ! And they had lots of mishaps before the 'home run'. For now the most important thing is to keep nokia at bay in market share because if they are going to get 50%+, new rules come into play. I hate the idea of a second Microsoft. We all stand to loose !
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I really don't know where you got your information from but VGA Video recording is dependant on having the right graphics chip not just how fast or powerful the processor is. Neither of these two devices have a graphics chip able to do this and that is why how ever much any of you want it. It can't just be added with clever software it is hardware dependant and quite simply they don't have the necessary hardware so unless they add it to their new devices nothing is going to change until they do it really is that simple.
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maybe SE are just working on a phone to take on the N95. how awesome would that be |
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On 2007-09-18 20:25:27, mario2004 wrote:
The n95 is one of the best (if not the best) camera quality a cellphone does have as of today. SE suffers from a bad plastic lens. 5, 7 or even 10 Mp is not going to help much.
whatever
my k810i takes better macro, portrait & lowlight pics then N95....no doubt about that. (i have compare with my friend N95 many many times, nearlly all time my k810i takes better macro, portrait & lowlight pics).
just take a look on some k810i pics here on Esato, they have more real colors, sharpness, contrast, etc. (N95 pics often looks "unreal" (like it have to much contrast or something).
the only N95 pics ive seen who is better then k810i is the Landscape pics.
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@dogmann
i have it from VERY good source.... this was in the labs, proto testing, who knows, maybe they had a chip in them at this stage.... whether you believe me or not is entirely up to you...
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soane28
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i bet the K850 and T650 can record VGA 30 fps, SE just limit their products for marketing purposes and other silly excuses.
Just take a look at the i-mobile 902 which has a sony cdd sensor camera module and see its excellent quality in both day and night. I am yet to see another competitor for this camera, and that includes the N95 and K850.
Im sure they are quite capable of creating a top notch product, just choose not to, especially when they can make products cheaper and still gain a good profit. SE really need to question themselves about the quality of their products. |
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You gotta remember SE is not the huge phone company Ericsson was. They have much less marketshare and that they can keep churning out a wide variety of great phones and still turn a profit is quite an achievement by such a young and small company.
Once they claw back some of the marketshare that ERICSSON lost, they will be able to concentrate again features again. For now they are concentrating on quality and varied offerings in the mid range.
I know many will argue with me about it being Ericsson who lost the market share but if you do your research you will see Ericsson had made some errors in choice of outsourcing that left their market exposed to competitors. That's why they got out of the mobile phone business - the market loss was so huge the decided to drop mobile and concentrate on their core business of selling network technology instead.
SE has been picking up the pieces ever since. Sony and Ericsson were never going to subsidise SE for ever. At some point SE had to start making a profit for itself or the joint venture would die.
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On 2007-09-17 15:56:02, Aware wrote:
My challenge:
IF T650/K850 CAN RECORD in VGA/30 FPS - GET ME THAT FIRMWARE, I'll test it first hand, and report here AND Se-nse, AND M-R!
Otherwise, your talk is JUST THAT - TALK
FAR too many people chatting crap at the moment, with NO PROOF......and, as someone who puts his money where his mouth is, I for one am sick of it......
As soon as LG Viewty is out, SE will be THE ONLY manufacturer WITHOUT VGA recording capability. For the people who released W900(QVGA/30fps) in 2005( 6 months before ANYONE ELSE), that's a shambles in my book......
Can't believe just how fast a manufacturer can go downhill, all for want of money......I think K850 release will teach SE a hard lesson though......
I don't know from what rocker you bounced off of but screw you! WHo are YOU to think you're better than ANYONE else here or elsewhere?! I don't care that you waste money or even receive SE phones as gifts - quite frankly besides the congratulations instead of envy from others and there interests in what a particular model is capable of I don't think they care that you have the latest & greatest or even the most either. Remember you are NOT what you have. Ppl "TALK" on forums to bounce ideas, share opinions, and even debate their opinions to seperate truth from fact. GET USED TO IT. Otherwise your post On 2007-09-17 15:56:02, Aware wrote:
IF T650/K850 CAN RECORD in VGA/30 FPS - GET ME THAT FIRMWARE, I'll test it first hand, and report here AND Se-nse, AND M-R!
Otherwise, your talk is JUST THAT - TALK
@Aware, I'm directing this few paragraphs to you but not outright and totally as I've seen other posts here shot off to others and hoping that others take note. Its not out of malice and you could've had a bad day - or even if not directed to me as I didn't take it this way - but it didn't seem right from my standpoint. I may even be out of line here but I don't know.
On 2007-09-18 20:41:33, Dogmann wrote:
@>500
I really don't know where you got your information from but VGA Video recording is dependant on having the right graphics chip not just how fast or powerful the processor is. Neither of these two devices have a graphics chip able to do this and that is why how ever much any of you want it. It can't just be added with clever software it is hardware dependant and quite simply they don't have the necessary hardware so unless they add it to their new devices nothing is going to change until they do it really is that simple.
Marc
Ahhhh! but your forget not ALL mobile cpu's are made equal. Your mistake here is there ARE some phones who's dedicated dual core cpu can handle video processing more than average. We see this in the Motorola Q9 - no dedicated video chip if I'm not mistaken, and as well as the many Nokia N80/N81/E61i/E65i etc can all record video at 15fps but at 352x288 or higher resolution. NO dedicated camera and signifcantly clearer than the K800 can.
On 2007-09-19 03:25:13, max_wedge wrote:
You gotta remember SE is not the huge phone company Ericsson was. They have much less marketshare and that they can keep churning out a wide variety of great phones and still turn a profit is quite an achievement by such a young and small company.
Once they claw back some of the marketshare that ERICSSON lost, they will be able to concentrate again features again. For now they are concentrating on quality and varied offerings in the mid range.
I know many will argue with me about it being Ericsson who lost the market share but if you do your research you will see Ericsson had made some errors in choice of outsourcing that left their market exposed to competitors. That's why they got out of the mobile phone business - the market loss was so huge the decided to drop mobile and concentrate on their core business of selling network technology instead.
SE has been picking up the pieces ever since. Sony and Ericsson were never going to subsidise SE for ever. At some point SE had to start making a profit for itself or the joint venture would die.
I Disagree! With HUGE sales and INCREASE of marketshare by default due to Motorola's latest & recent qtr blunder, I'd say SE has a LARGER market share than what Ericsson had prior. More Cellular providers carry SE products than Ericsson - at least this side of the pond - and more models as well every qtr. Plus that with other accessories now, headsets, flash modules, Speakers, and watches (which still has yet to really begin to be counted). Now I'm not sure HOW to research this; as "marketshare" can be interpreted in so many ways. Corporate, consumer, provider sourced, local continent, worldwide, etc.
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Ericsson no longer sell mobile phones, so you can't cmpare SE to Ericsson now. All you can do is look at marketshare percentages now and then.
(Ericsson is very successful at their core business. On wcdma business, as of 2004, Ericsson held 30% of the mobile platform market, but they don't actually make phones, they design network technology that is used by other company's that make phones.
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]releases/20041111-968812.shtml )
SE came about to address Ericssons waning influence in the mobile handset market, ie: SE's job was to increase marketshare compared to Ericsson on it's own. There first goal was to lift SE marketshare from Ericsson's 10% (in 1999, down from the 1998 figure 0f 12.7%) to 12% http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,2085807,00.htm
Today, SE marketshare sits at 8-9%. 
That said, I have no doubt that SE will keep growing and eventually reach the target of 12% and I have no doubt outstrip that target completely. Producing a plethora of mid-range handsets is part of the strategy to achieve that goal. They will never achieve it concentrating on expensive high end all-in-one phones.
btw, marketshare is simple - it's the percentage of mobile handsets a company has sold out of all handsets sold world wide. What's not so simple is analysing the profit margin. HOwever SE is the fasted growing mobile phone manufacturer, so I expect they have good margins (margins which they churn back into development of the above mentioned plethora of handsets)
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On 2007-09-17 15:56:02, Aware wrote:
My challenge:
IF T650/K850 CAN RECORD in VGA/30 FPS - GET ME THAT FIRMWARE, I'll test it first hand, and report here AND Se-nse, AND M-R!
Otherwise, your talk is JUST THAT - TALK
FAR too many people chatting crap at the moment, with NO PROOF......and, as someone who puts his money where his mouth is, I for one am sick of it......
As soon as LG Viewty is out, SE will be THE ONLY manufacturer WITHOUT VGA recording capability. For the people who released W900(QVGA/30fps) in 2005( 6 months before ANYONE ELSE), that's a shambles in my book......
Can't believe just how fast a manufacturer can go downhill, all for want of money......I think K850 release will teach SE a hard lesson though......
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On 2007-09-17 15:56:02, Aware wrote:
As soon as LG Viewty is out, SE will be THE ONLY manufacturer WITHOUT VGA recording capability. For the people who released W900(QVGA/30fps) in 2005( 6 months before ANYONE ELSE), that's a shambles in my book......
Amen to that!
I think thecoolsha has the right idea flagging this issue up.
If SE have something planned then they need to get their asses into gear and fast, they're just too slow bringing things out now and its turning into 'The Mouse that Roared'.
I remember reading an article a few years ago regarding the amount of money spends on R&D and it wasn't a small figure.
Sony Ericsson, 50% owned by Sony Corp - proprietors of Handycam and Cyber-Shot has a few devices right now that shoot at QVGA and these are years old. Why isn't this technology filtering through to its JV?
At the rate Samsung are releasing devices SE will be smothered under the sheer number of hi-tech devices emerging from other quarters; they can't really expect the K850i alone to compete with 3 devices from Samsung, 3 from Nokia and god only knows what else is in the pipeline from other OEMs.
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Dogmann
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Yes the Q9 says it has video recording and playback @30fps but no mention at what resolution it could be qcif for all it says and i am pretty sure if it was VGA they would of made a big point of it. The very fact they omit what it works at to me suggests it's not that great and highly unlikely to be VGA IMO.
This is why such a big deal was made of the N93 as it was the first device to launch using the OMAP2420 chip with the full version of the Power VR MBX that enables video recording and playback @30fps VGA. Which has been followed by the N93i, N95 and E90.
Please correct me if i am wrong but as far as i am aware these are so far the only Mobile devices along with the Z8 that use this chip and offer this ability. Other devices can do 30fps but not in VGA as irrespective of their processor power they are missing the graphics chip's ability. After this is what we are talking about not 30fps but 30fps in VGA.
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I am not having a go just pointing out the realities of life, if your VERY good source actually knows what he is talking about i couldn't know as obviously I don't know him. But find it extremely hard to believe if they had it knowing this is what so many want they would just take it out, as that just isn't as easy as it sounds or makes any sense either but if we believed half the things that come from "reliable sources" our devices would all be very different by now.
Remember reliable sources claimed the P990 would get the same firmware as the P1 or even possibly a newer version of Symbian. Please take no offence but i do find it very hard to believe SE are now basing ther leading testing and research in Australia. People like to make out they know more than they do and unfortunately half the time take bits of information and jump to unsupportable conclusions just to look like they are in the loop or more important then they really are.
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It is true that K850 can do VGA video recording. According to an insider, SE purposely disabled this feature as they do not want to confuse buyers. K850 is primarily a "cybershot" so the main objective is to focus buyers on the camera capability and not video. Even the K700, K750, K800, K810 are capable of doing QVGA and better video recording but SE chose to disable it for the same reason. SE is finalising with Sony to use the "HandyCam" brand and SE will re-release K850 with a VGA @30fps video recording but at the sametime will downscale the camera to 2 MP so as not to overshadow the video recording aspect. The insider also said that K850 camera is actually a 7MP unit but downscaled to 5MP as Sony was concerned that it will compete with Sony lines of digital camera. Also K850 hardware already has a built in wifi/gps/gaming chip but SE did not enable it in the firmware now because it is not the opportune time to do so yet as the cellphone market is still crazy over music phones. SE will immediately activate these advanced in the firmware once the market opportunity arises.
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VGA resolution requires a good graphics chip, NOT a processor. Thats what i know for sure.
The amount of FPS in a video that a phone can churn out depends on its CPU, thats not for sure though.
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