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max_wedge
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@goldenface, excellent points. Nokia fumbled the ball a little with the N90.
mib, I agree that N90 would do as well as the P910 if it continued to sell. But with the N91 alternative, and alternatives from other manufacturers, I don't expect the N90 to achieve any more significant sales before it is withdrawn. So it may not be on the market long enough to necessarily even match the P910 in sales.
I think it is actually proof of SE's marketing ability that they have been able to keep the P910 selling at all. Yet Nokia failed in their marketing of the N90 before it really even got a go on.
Personally I feel SE are only just gearing up to be a market force. They have been a slow starter, but let's watch and see what happens in the next two years. Note: SE are slowly gaining market share on LG. I expect that trend will start to accelerate.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2005-09-05 15:26:17, Arez wrote:
Just saw first n90 publicity here in Portugal...guess what, theyīre focusing all their campaign in the fantastic Carl Zeiss lens, made in glass, and their fantastic quality!!! LOL
Yes, those famous expensive lens that coundnīt cope with SE cheap plastic lens in the k750/w800
So, isnīt this a FAILLURE??? All the cost of that thing, the size, the weight, and they couldnīt be better than the k750 in their maind advertized feature??? This marketing campaign just makes me LAUGH, but some guys will buy it "because Nokia says its the best and has CZ lense"
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Incredible! Someone understands the basics of marketing and how it can fail!
I think it would do Nokia better if in fact they market the N90 as a multimedia player device due to its superior - size, resolution, clarity - instead of the huge camera lense. BUT they didnt THIS IS THEIR FAILURE.
A better comparison will be the same time period of raw sales per region between the K750i & the upcoming N70 if given the same time frame of chance in sales as the K750i. |
mib1800
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@goldenface:
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It is possible to define any product as a success regardless of sales.
Does it have a wow factor?
Does it have people running to the bank to extend their overdraft?
Is "N90" the word on the streets?
Is "N90" the new bling?
It looks like analysts don't think so.
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I think you push the limit of subjectivity too much. It is just a bl**dy phone by the way. It is not a $200K car. If you look at novelty factor, N90 certainly have. Have you seen a phone in this form factor with so many rotating hinges. There is the great flexibility to position camera at any angle which no other phone can.
Contrast this to K750/W800. It is just a lump of monotonous block/brick like K700 before it and the T650 before it and the T610 before it. Where is wow factor? You have no idea how K750 is performing right now. Dont forget that K750 is SE bread-and-butter phone (and not niche like N90) and it should at least achieve the sales level of T610 before you can call it a success. If K750 cannot make that, then SE may drop further behind in market share. If N90 flops, there is no impact on Nokia at all.
The mass market 2MP phones are coming very soon. Let's see how well K750/W800 stands up to that.
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| I don't expect the N90 to achieve any more significant sales before it is withdrawn. So it may not be on the market long enough to necessarily even match the P910 in sales. |
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Not withdrawn but replaced with the next generation. This is Nokia's way, where renewal is always forthcoming. P900/P910 just hangs around because SE could not get their act together on smartphone strategy.
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But it is still dismal to say the least.
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| Personally I feel SE are only just gearing up to be a market force. They have been a slow starter, but let's watch and see what happens in the next two years. Note: SE are slowly gaining market share on LG. I expect that trend will start to accelerate. |
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I thought SE was ahead of LG before it was overtaken by LG  The only reason why SE stays at the same rank is because Siemens was on the brink. Otherwise, it would have drop another rung.
Instead of pouring cold water all the time, I would like to say SE should have no problem reclaming its position ahead of LG again.
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max_wedge
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"If K750 cannot make that, then SE may drop further behind in market share. If N90 flops, there is no impact on Nokia at all."
Agree partially. SE have expanded their range with a wider variety of handsets in different price ranges and equipment levels: K700/500/300, K750/W800/W550 etc. So they aren't as reliant on the K750 as they were on the T610. However I do think the K750 will be a big seller, whether it is on par with the T610 is hard to say at this stage.
Regarding SE's tardiness on the smartphone front - it does look tardy from the outside, but I think they have had a shitload of work to do to get UIQ3 stable and that has taken them by surprise. To their credit, I think they are trying to get it right first time rather than waste big development dollars grafting UIQ2 into modern hardware as a P910 replacement, only to have to bring out a UIQ3 range shortly after.
Some have argued that they should have bit the bullet and bought into s60, but I think they have their heads screwed on right if they are infact attempting to develop their own modern smartphone os in the UIQ3. It will save them big bucks and allow them more control over development in the long term.
I think it's a good move. |
mib1800
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@max_wedge:
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| ...attempting to develop their own modern smartphone os in the UIQ3. It will save them big bucks and allow them more control over development in the long term. |
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I think UIQ3 is a Symbian (as in the company) initiative/development. Not so sure how this will help SE to have more control as Symbian itself is a big part owned by Nokia. Seems very quiet on the UIQ3 front lately. There is always the sticky point whether Symbian wants to ruffle the feathers of Nokia, its biggest shareholder (and also its biggest buyer - in units term, of the symbian O/S) as UIQ3 will compete directly with Series60.
Even if UIQ3 gets off the ground, there is still the question mark whether Nokia (as the biggest shareholder of Symbian) would take any step to stop future investment in UIQ3 as it would be wasteful since Nokia is already spending money developing the equivalent Series60. This is more so if the only buyer of UIQ3 is SE.
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tranquil
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On 2005-08-17 12:21:51, Dicky Snapples wrote:
what have you people been smoking?
its not that big
[ This Message was edited by: Dicky Snapples on 2005-08-17 11:25 ]
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Yes it is!!! 
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Krubach
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The guy is right.
It's not big... IT'S HUGE!
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ares
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there are mini-dv video cameras smaller than that
if Kirstie Alley was a phone, she would be a n90
Thereīs an advantage however, i admite:
if you manage to put that thing in your pocket, and some girl you know looks to you, it would be the classic:
"you have something in your pocket or are you just VERY happy to see me???"
then the anti-climax answer
"no, itīs just my n90"
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tranquil
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Even compared to the Z800 it's quite massive...
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mib1800
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You guys are not being objective. N90 is a clamshell. open up the Z800 or S700 and see whether it is longer than the P900.
How idiotic can you guys get!!!! wahahahaha
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tranquil
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On 2005-09-07 14:24:23, mib1800 wrote:
You guys are not being objective. N90 is a clamshell. open up the Z800 or S700 and see whether it is longer than the P900.
How idiotic can you guys get!!!! wahahahaha
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ares
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Donīt forget to add the weight lol
That reminds me another use for the n90: protection weapon for old ladys - they just need to carry a n90 inside their purses, and if attacked they will be able to knock out the agressor easily
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tranquil
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I'm not going to take pictures of each phone on a scale...
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Posted: 2005-09-06 12:51
