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New SE phones lack of 16M colour screen |
S4k1s
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Guys lets be honest here...
All  phones are way overpriced, the K850 will be waaay overpriced at launch, it's not a matter of cost, it's a matter of strategy and profit.
When u pay €630 for a handset the few cents the 16m screen cost is not the issue. Don't kid your selves, _is_ milking it ;]
Having said that, the recent displays _are_ crisp and clear.
To you that say that the human eye can't see the 16m colors: True and False.
The average human eye can see between 3-10 million shades of colors at the same time, this don't mean that you can only see 3-10 million shades at total. (I'm no eye doctor ok)
Also have in mind that you don't see the same shades as other people, so more shades (colors) means better viewing.
Also genes gives some people the ability to see far more than 16 million shades. This is the reason why some people see the difference in the Ferrari RED while most think this color has always been the same on all red Ferraris.
My point is, number of colors _does_ matter, no need to kid ourselves it don't. This don't nessesary mean that a 16m display is better than a 262k display for every purpose. Also the downside of 16m displays so far is they tend to fade in sunlight just a tad bit more than 262k displays. |
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thecell
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I'm sure some people hard to notice the difference between 16m v 256k, some cant surely say how depth the colour of the phone showed to him if they didnt read the spec before.
I'm agree with above, colour depth does not take it all. LCD quality, LCD type, resolution, backlight and the LCD width made it too.
Remember k700 vs 6600, same colour but k700 more nice looking, even compare to xphone2 (same 176x220)
A little difference in LCD colour does not change my decision to buy a phone id the feature far away more superior.
Like TFT v TFD if one should i choose, i prefer TFD because it doesnt show much difference in display but had much more performance in battery. |
sesukaku
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plankgatan.. hemm.. not quite sure about what you say, coz i did compare my K800 with 6300, and the difference is just too much. 6300 is way brighter and more colourful. I am not sure about N95 though, i don't see much of 16m colours phone and i only get my chance once to see that brilliance of the 16m colour display. |
mib1800
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our friend at se-net.net compared the K850 screen with N95 and this is what they have to say:-
From several angles the screen looks decent, however it does not have the brightness of the N95 display due to the 16M colors of the Nokia family member.
http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=11607
And the K850 doesnt seems to be smaller in size than N95. Even the thickness deosnt seem to be much different from the N95. K850 looks longer. |
QVGA
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its clearly mentioned in that review that N95 has a brighter display that K850, its settled now. |
Dogmann
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@plankgatan
Sorry but what resolution was the wallpaper and was it meant for the N95 or the K810? Try putting a N95 wallpaper on the K810 and see what happens then as if was meant for a K810 it is very unlikely to have as much detail so of course will not show the advantage the screen has. But if it really makes you happy feel free to believe what ever you wish don't let a little thing like facts get in the way.
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Danny_BFC
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I'm sure i read somewhere that the Human eye cant actually tell the difference between 64k Colours and 256k Colours. I assume this is the same for 16.9Million Colours ? 
Im not fussed about phones/gadgets no more. If im online im in the Non-Mobile discussion  |
dayz
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On 2007-06-15 07:08:47, Prom1 wrote:
On 2007-06-15 06:31:14, JuanPablo wrote:
Two reasons:
1. 16M colors make the battery life shorter.
2. The human eye cannot see the difference between 256k and 16M.
2> Utter CRAP! Why are there specific COLOR WHEELS and calibration applications for LCD's & CRTs?!! Why do graphic design houses/firms & in-house graphic teams for top mags like Vogue/GQ have their publishing graphics teams USING calibration hardware/software combo's?!!! WHy do HD movie producers have their teams use such combo's on their FinalCutPro studio screens!?! Lastly why does LaCie make such STANDARD for visual quality screens for CRT's/LCD's for MANY MANY years?!
There is a HUGE spectrum that a healthy human eye can see. Alongside the same colors with minimal range its nearly impossible for the human eye to detect. However give a broad range of colours and its like night & day for the human eye to detect.
Proof? Ferrari doesn't always use the same RED paint in all their models, older berlinetta front engine classics always have a deeper shade of red than moderns like the 360 Modena's. Red also is the most EXPENSIVE paint to have on a car and boosts your insurance JUST because of the color on same car model! You wanna proove me wrong? Get some 9 year old kid with a buck-knife/key to scratch your expensive red-paint Honda TL or RX-8 , 350z. You'll see.
What effects perception of 16mil colors vs 256K is the QUALITY of the LCD! Samsung produces more than anyone else does, and SE just didn't want to give a major competitor so much money. 
yes yes yes.. you made your point
here's my point
having a 240x320 lcd
it is useless to have higher color because the length and width of lcd LIMITS the it!
example
get an 15' monitor and put NVIDIA GeForce 8800... the resolution and the color quality will be limited because YOU NEED TO BALANCE IT!
"Why do graphic design houses/firms & in-house graphic teams for top mags like Vogue/GQ have their publishing graphics teams USING calibration hardware/software combo's?!!! WHy do HD movie producers have their teams use such combo's on their FinalCutPro studio screens!?!"
simple.. they have the money and they can buy LARGE HD LCD and GOOD HARDWARE and when they print it out their designs, its the PRINTER! (take note.. PRINTER) and again.. it depends how large can the printer produce the dpi GETS?
Proof? Ferrari doesn't always use the same RED paint in all their models, older berlinetta front engine classics always have a deeper shade of red than moderns like the 360 Modena's. Red also is the most EXPENSIVE paint to have on a car and boosts your insurance JUST because of the color on same car model! You wanna proove me wrong? Get some 9 year old kid with a buck-knife/key to scratch your expensive red-paint Honda TL or RX-8 , 350z. You'll see.
get a honda and ask a kid to scratch it? LOL! it is the lamest idea i have ever read! why dont you ask your kid and scratch your car
of course.. you will notice the difference because the OBJECT IS LARGE for everyone to NOTICE IT! you get an small object and you will not notice the difference because it is SMALL gets?
a 320x240 dont need 16m colors and because it is limited... get a nokia and sonyericsson with the same photo and to me, 265k or something is way more better than 16m because it is more realistic.. more crispier unlike the 16m colors, i dont know what word to describe. its just that i dont think the 16m will win 265k on 320x240 lcd.
i dont mean to offend anyone here.. its just my point of view here
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plankgatan
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i cant understand, that some of you guys complains about the freaking screen !!!!!
are you guys never satisfied ?
im so dame lucky of my k810 screen, its looks awesome. i know for sure that my next phone (k850i) also gone be really "Crispy".
and like i said, we compared a 256k and a 16M. you couldnt see any big difference !
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Dogmann
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@plankgatan
I asked you a very simple question as to a statement you have made as fact if you can't answer a simple question how can i know or understand how you reach this conclusion it really wasn't a difficult question yet you appear unable to answer it why?
To be honest i really can't bother arguing with you as i said you believe what ever you want as obviously black will always be white to you. My mistake for wasting my time and challenging a statement i find hard to believe i just won't bother again.
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mib1800
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On 2007-06-19 12:20:31, plankgatan wrote:
and like i said, we compared a 256k and a 16M. you couldnt see any big difference !
You left your statement hanging.  it should be "..couldnt see any big difference when the screen size is as small as the K850".
When the screen size is as big as N95 you will notice a significant difference. So the color/vibrancy/brightness of the N95 16m screen will be better than say W960. |
mustafabay
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I don't really see why we need these kinds of discussions. I think it doesn't matter really how much better one screen is compared to another on a phone. I think the most important question is is the screen of the given phone good enough for you. How many people base their desision of buying a phone solely on the screen? If a certain screen is good enough than anything better is just a bonus. I also don't think mobile phone screens are good enough to merit a really serious discussion of each's merits. To really discuss how good a screen is you need data like contrast ratio and brightness and viewing angles. And I mean real solid data not my X's screen looks better than my friend's Y. Not to mention every person has a different perspective on what's good. And what about how pure the white and blacks are? I don't know what measures that, color saturation maybe? One screen has a yellowish white and another has a blueish white, which is better? Is it the screen's fault or the LED lighting. And I uppose it really could go on and on for ever.
Is it really that big of a set back that SE isn't doing 24-bit screens yet, I don't really think so. It's not totally behind the curve and in the end its just a phone which is acting as a swiss knife so don't expect it perform as well as every single feature in a standalone device.
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Dogmann
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@mustafabay
Good post and actually to a point i agree completely as i have always stated there is no right or wrong choices only what suits each individuals needs the best. Whilst it is good to discuss the merits of different specs you are right it is not just about the screen but the processor and graphics chip also play a part as does how i encode the material i am going to watch.
Obviously those that feel happy to stick with a 262k are perfectly free to do so and those of us that can see a difference and prefer a 16m colour screen will stick to devices with those. Maybe now everyone can be happy and this pointless bickering can end as it really does need to and not just here but throughout the whole Forum IMHO.
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soane28
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great points both of you. There are many factors to a great screen, and how many colours it holds is just one of them. Judging the quality of screens takes much more than the amount of colours.
And to people here that are still concerned about SE's screens, eldar over at mobile-review has mentioned the introduction of VGA screens in 2008 within two SE products.
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2007/se-strategy-en.shtml
So SE are certainly working hard in the backround on their screens, just think of them as a work in progress. |
masseur
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just to add that I have googled several resources, including wiki, that suggest that the human eye can perceive around 10 million different colours
This doesn't mean if we had a picture in front of us with 10 million different colours we could count them all, but it does seem to confirm that we are able to perceive the difference in colour density between 260k colours and somewhere towards 16 million colours such that we see a more colourful image towards this higher end
so hopefully that answers that part of this discussion
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