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moogoo
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Posted: 2013-11-21 19:59
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this isn't the ultra thread so this is the last thing i'll say bout it..

i think there will be a ZU2 whether they sold a lot of ZU or not. it was their first play into the phablet realm and i don't think they are ready to bail yet. as long as the note is there and is successful, sony will give it a go. their first try was good but not great. their next one needs to make note users really think twice.

my Z1 is also on stock sony everything. strange that yours looks different. can you screen shot it and post?
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king-james
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Posted: 2013-11-21 20:41
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Here on PC it looks great. But look at the pics down how it looks real when you use the phones.
On the last pics you can see the Z is whiter than Z1. Sorry for the bad samples from Mega Cam.

Z left - Z1 right








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Posted: 2013-11-21 20:54
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king-james - oh i see it now. that is a lot lot lot worse than mine ever was. mine looks exactly like my screenshot. yeah. if i had that, iw ouldn't be very happy either.
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XperiaJunkie
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Posted: 2013-11-21 21:27
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Can anybody help, I was looking at the photo section on the Xperia Z1 and I noticed there are 2 different resolutions in 8MP for example in a photo I have taken the resolution is 8.29 megapixels (3840 x 2160) but in another photo by Theboxes215 it is 7.99 megapixels (3264 x 2448). Why and how is the pixel count different I know my photo was is 16:9 and the other at 4:3 but would that actually make a difference. If anybody can shed any light on this that would be great.
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Posted: 2013-11-21 21:34
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the 8mp 4:3 is a downsampled version of the 20mp capture. the 8mp 16:9 is a straight 8mp capture. that's why there's a difference in pixels.
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XperiaJunkie
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Posted: 2013-11-21 21:40
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Ah now I get it, thanks does that mean the 4:3 image has better quality with it being a downsampled image because I always take photos in 8MP 16:9 manual mode just so it fills the the screen never once did I think it may produce a better image.
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Miki69
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Posted: 2013-11-21 21:49
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Camera Comparison: Google Nexus 5 vs iPhone 5s, Sony Xperia Z1, Samsung Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy S4, LG G2, Nokia Lumia 1020, HTC One
http://www.phonearena.com/rev[....]okia-Lumia-1020-HTC-One_id3500



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Posted: 2013-11-21 21:49
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@xperiajunkie: it's supposed to have more detail and better quality, yes. but to be honest i've never done a side by side to compare.

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XperiaJunkie
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Posted: 2013-11-21 22:03
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@moogoo Cheers for your help mate

@Miki think that's about right with the ratings, really can't wait for the big upgrade for the Z1 then it will (if not already) be the best Android camera by far even beating the S4 Zoom
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Miki69
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Posted: 2013-11-21 22:25
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Fully agree mate, quite fair have to say....

As for "big" update, not so sure anymore. Something tells me this will come with new device (Mar-Apr '14, Z2 or whatever called) and just maybe after that to Z1

I guess time will tell.

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Posted: 2013-11-21 23:00
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On 2013-11-21 21:34:08, moogoo wrote:
the 8mp 4:3 is a downsampled version of the 20mp capture. the 8mp 16:9 is a straight 8mp capture. that's why there's a difference in pixels.



Are you sure about this? Sounds illogical to me.

Despite the presence of a 20-plus megapixel camera, the Sony camera app is focused on taking oversampled images at eight megapixels (in either 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratios). It’s the same principle (pixel binning) that Nokia’s employing on its latest Lumia 1020 handset — get a more accurate image at a reasonable resolution by combining several pixels into one.


I like 16:9 format over 4:3

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Posted: 2013-11-21 23:14
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pretty sure though not 100%..

considering the 20mp is 4:3 ratio, downsampling to 8mp 4:3 is logical. forcing a 16:9 ratio would require cropping and who wants that?
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2013-11-21 22:15 ]
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Miki69
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Posted: 2013-11-22 00:34
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Thanks, that does make sense. I'll have to inspect 8MP 4:3 vs 16:9 format closely

We went shooting again with our Sony Xperia Z1, after the software update late last month which promised better performance for the camera. We're sorry to say that the update doesn't improve the camera's performance in any significant way.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.s[....]/sony-z1-after-firmware-update

I just hope Sony isn't BS around with "new" camera update scheduled for Jan. More and more I think this is just wishful thinking before new device comes out and Z1 fails into oblivion (same as Z)

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moogoo
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Posted: 2013-11-22 01:06
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the camera update in january is JUST a rumor. there is nothing scheduled officially. remember that.

i'm hoping there will be a change log released soon for the 4.3 update coming next month. hopefully, that will include some camera improvements.

it's funny that some sites report significant improvements while others don't. personally, i haven't seen any major improvements though except the camera apps do load faster than before, which is nice.

also, as i said, i'm not 100% the 16:9 8mp shot isn't downsampled as well. i just think it makes sense to keep the same aspect ratio in order to prevent cropping or stretching during the pixel binning. just one of those things we'll probably never know ..

i am definitely looking forward to the 4.3 update next month and HOPE it hits early december rather than late. i'd love to have it for the holidays and if there are camera improvements, they'd be very welcome for snapping shots of family and friends.
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Geoffxx
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Posted: 2013-11-22 02:55
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the biggest improvement I observed in the last update was in 20mp mode, before the update it was unusable (IMO) now it is all I use even though the files are 3x the size, I would love to see a 16.9 16mp option also - yes it would be slightly cropped but would be my preference default mode


although I must admit I'm still experimenting - there are a lot of options to go through and some may be better than others for difference scenes
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