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K850i vs N95 pic quality |
mib1800
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So at the end of the day - what's the point!!
The point is you are missing the point. 
This I believe is a vs-thread and the main intention is to determine/argue which phone have the overall better camera by presenting evidences. Ultimately, it is up to the reader to come to his/her own conclusion based on the evidences presented.
...and I can also say it puts to death the argument that N95 is better.
I think nobody is even suggesting that K850 is such a weakling that it can't even beat N95 in any category. (if you have read properly, what I posted was about the better lens and photo details).
From the many comparison reviews presented, it can be seen (for those who wants to see) that N95 still comes out on top overall. Unlike your buddy plankgatan who unashamedly declared K850 as the best with support of doctored/shrunkened photos  , all I have done is shown is credible evidences (like side-by-side unshrunken photos ) that N95 camera is better than K850 in most (but not all) situations.
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LCARS-Expert
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On 2007-11-08 07:56:58, ac wrote:
Its EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE that SE forgot to provide a WORKING FLASH (i'm referring to the flash sync problem) in their 'flagship' phone...
I don't believe there is a sync problem... Unless you live in a different time continuum where electricity travels at random speed.
If you cover the sensor that is near the LED the flash strength gets reduced to minimum and photos come out dark like if there is a sync problem.
Or I'm wrong and you were holding the phone correctly while taking pictures?
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>500
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with my flash on the k850i, when i had it, when i used it in a pitch dark place, it would just flash once. I thought it was a problem, but when i looked at the pic, it lit up quite well. It doesnt flash like the k800/k810, k850 just has a quick 1 flash, where a k800 i think when once very quickly and then again after that 
only time i had a prob with the flash if i covered the light sensor...
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ac
Joined: Feb 09, 2003
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On 2007-11-08 08:17:38, LCARS-Expert wrote:
I don't believe there is a sync problem... Unless you live in a different time continuum where electricity travels at random speed.
If you cover the sensor that is near the LED the flash strength gets reduced to minimum and photos come out dark like if there is a sync problem.
Or I'm wrong and you were holding the phone correctly while taking pictures?
[ This Message was edited by: LCARS-Expert on 2007-11-08 07:18 ]
This is an already well known and discussed issue... the flash on the K850 fires out of sync with the shutter... current K850 owners are waiting for a software update that is expected to resolve the issue.
Check these posts for more information
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=158354
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157121
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ac
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@ >500 : The flash firing out of sync on the K850i is already well known and widely discussed... pls check the K850i firmware overview page.
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mib1800
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why dont you guys discuss the problems with K850 flash in the other relevant thread. 
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plankgatan
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the flash on k850 is much stronger then example k810 flash...i took one picture from 3m with my k810, and the result was not the same......(maybe its a stronger flash, maybe its because it have light sensor i dont know...i only know that the flash on k850 is awesome)....i use ISO.100 for the moment, to avoid whitness..so the next firmware will hopefully fix so we can use ISO.auto (see flash pics in the k850 thread...very very good)
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sadeghi85
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On 2007-11-08 04:30:17, mongoose3800 wrote:
On 2007-11-08 02:21:28, REO wrote:
@ mongoose
Guess what? I'm not going to post my W810 pics with 2.0 MP and AF.
Here is my S710a 1.3 MP with no AF.... Let's see a NOKIA 1.3 do this.
BY THE WAY.... IF YOUR GOING TO complain about resizing, click on the link below... the full resolution is even better : )
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[ This Message was edited by: REO on 2007-11-08 01:37 ]
Hey! you've missed my point. I have said the K750/W800 shots look just as good minimised as the K850. I'm not surprised your 1.3 shots look good. And, I'm not surprised they look good at full size either. I even posted photos from a W800 as proof. My whole point is that the K850 shots are very poor at full size and that is therefore not a very worthy 5mp camera - in my opinion. Others disagree and that's fine with me.
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marinedisco
Joined: Jun 24, 2007
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This debate keep going on and on. There is no question that the k850 takes better night, low light and indoor pictures! I have not seen one photo to prove otherwise. The only debate that could be is about outdoor photos in good light.
About posting full size picks... most forums do not allow this, and almost all n95 and k850 pics are posted resized anyway. I think this is more realistic way for the masses to judge many resized photos than just a few full sized.
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mongoose3800
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Well, after a lot of looking around (I was very bored at work) I have definitely come to the conclusion that neither the N95 or K850 are worthy 5MP cameras. You look at an N95 photo and you see proof of all the processing that has taken place. Then you look at K850 and through all the graininess you can see more detail. But, after you process the K850 image to remove the graininess the photo looks like it was taken by an N95. You can't win with either. It is just a shame SE and Nokia have not seen fit to use a CCD sensor. Photo's by the I-Mobile 902 put both Nokia and SE to shame. When SE move to a CCD sensor in their phones 5mp may be something worth bragging about. 5MP CMOS sensors in mobile phones is obviously a compromise - a bad one at that. |
sadeghi85
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Ok, someone should say to nokia: "no postprocessing, please"
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sadeghi85
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off-topic, but funny:
from http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=70563
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marinedisco
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After seeing N95 pic's from the below thread I am convinced the K850 takes better pictures in all conditions.
The N95 photos seem grainy and with more noise than the K850i.
I hope though that the N82 will be the true competitor.
Judge for yourself.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=808233&page=28&pp=15 |
mib1800
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On 2007-11-08 19:22:09, marinedisco wrote:
After seeing N95 pic's from the below thread I am convinced the K850 takes better pictures in all conditions.
The N95 photos seem grainy and with more noise than the K850i.
I hope though that the N82 will be the true competitor.
Judge for yourself.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=808233&page=28&pp=15
After seeing these K850 pictures taken by SE owners in esato, I am far from convinced that K850 takes better photo than N95, G600 and Viewty.
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=8003
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=7983
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=7690
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewfullsize.php?id=6630
And not to mentioned, all the side by side photo comparison posted here:-
http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok
http://mobilarena.hu/teszt/no[....]es_csata/na_akkor_a_kepek.html
http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html |
joemax
Joined: Nov 05, 2007
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After seeing these K850 pictures taken by SE owners in esato, I am far from convinced that K850 takes better photo than N95, G600 and Viewty
I can take some bad photos on my DSLR... just because you see some bad pics... doesn't mean the camera is no good.
If you don't want an 850... don't get one 
Generally is takes pretty amazing pics for a phone camera. Yes there can be fringing, yes there are compression artefacts, yes there is banding... but the same can be said for all digicams, especially phone based ones with their limited lens size, sensor sensitivity, processing, compression and memory limitations.
At the end of the day its a phone with a class leading camera, not a DSLR with a phone. |
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