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NightBlade
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Class just because of a couple of pence worth of sticker? You must be joking!
Dude, what's with the sticker thing!? There's no sticker on Cyber-shot phones. The Cyber-shot logo is embedded in the housing of the phone with silver characters on the front below the screen and on the camera shutter on the back (or directly on the back-side of the housing like on the K810). |
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max_wedge
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From an aesthetic point of view, I agree with Nightblade, the cybershot branding is classy. But it's not the branding that makes the phone a cybershot. The fact is, the sensor is CMOS (all but one Sony Cybershot use ccd), and the sensor and lense quality are not comparable to mainstream Cybershot cameras.
The cybershot camera phones are still just camera phones with cybershot branding, not cybershot cameras in a phone.
That said, I actually reckon the K800 photos are still the best available from any camera phone on the market. A little bit better than the K750 (only due to higher resolution, otherwise I'd say overall K750 is the best), and way better than any Nokia camera phone, even the N95. The N95 like all Nokia camera phones uses an unacceptably high level of compression.
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goldenface
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@boba
Very true. We mustn't believe for one minute Cyber-shot camphones can even compare to their dedicated cameras counter-parts.
While the K750i s results are excellent, I would still rate the 2.0mp CCD of the W900i above it. I have some outstanding shot taken with it, highly underated as a camera-phone and way better than the 2.0mp cam in the K550i.
I wouldn't say Cyber-shot camphones are judged on the quality of the lens alone. As a package, with Bestpic and Fotofix, image stabilisaton etc, the Cyber-shot package of extras also stands it apart from the rest and do make a difference to the user.
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NightBlade
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On 2007-08-04 00:04:46, max_wedge wrote:
From an aesthetic point of view, I agree with Nightblade, the cybershot branding is classy. But it's not the branding that makes the phone a cybershot. The fact is, the sensor is CMOS (all but one Sony Cybershot use ccd), and the sensor and lense quality are not comparable to mainstream Cybershot cameras.
Finally someone to support my opinion! Thanks, man!
And I also agree that cyber-shot cameras cannot be compared with cyber-shot cameraphones (Ok, let's confess, one way or another, we kind of can compare them).
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QVGA
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On 2007-08-04 00:32:19, goldenface wrote:
@boba
Very true. We mustn't believe for one minute Cyber-shot camphones can even compare to their dedicated cameras counter-parts.
While the K750i s results are excellent, I would still rate the 2.0mp CCD of the W900i above it. I have some outstanding shot taken with it, highly underated as a camera-phone and way better than the 2.0mp cam in the K550i.
I wouldn't say Cyber-shot camphones are judged on the quality of the lens alone. As a package, with Bestpic and Fotofix, image stabilisaton etc, the Cyber-shot package of extras also stands it apart from the rest and do make a difference to the user.
W900 has a 2.0 MP CMOS camera NOT a CCD. Only S700 has a CCD
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goldenface
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Really? Thats news to me. 
I must be losing my touch. Still took amazing pictures though.
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max_wedge
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On 2007-08-04 00:50:53, goldenface wrote:
Really? Thats news to me.
I must be losing my touch. Still took amazing pictures though.
 The W900 was a sort of S700 replacement maybe that's what got you?
Imho, w900 is equivalent to K750 (infact I think it shares the same camera module)
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-08-03 21:07:30, BobaFett wrote:
hwta i really hate is, that its nothing else like to make ppl stupid. se cyber shot has nothing to do with the sony cyber shot. if it would be any se fone a cyber shot branded one, the pix would look far better. se just wanna invlove the name "sony" more in their products, cos ppl buy sony, but se not in that nrs as they would like to...
Its called BRAND NAME recognition. (Marketing 101). ppl are familiar with a brand they know works for them & that they trust make quality products - again for THEM - then they tend to STICK with that brand. Many ppl continue to buy Nokia low end phones. price is competitive against &/for other manufacturers - and mid-tier phones same thing but ppl know the S40 UI and don't wanna go to an SE or worse Motorola phone and learn it all over again. Worse, which we'll see more of is that synchronization of information that we use to make calls, appts, notes, etc don't work without Outlook as the primary tool that the data is sourced from. |
aces_fan
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we shouldn't compare the camera phones to the digital cameras out in the market. even though it is branded as a cybershot, this doesn't mean that its will give you the same picture quality as the cybershot digital camera that is out in the market. The name should only help distinguish the better features of the phone compared to the other mobile phones in the market.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-08-03 22:32:59, QVGA wrote:
agree with boba and tranc, K800 offers negligible improvement over K750 and K850 a negligable one over K800
Depends on Geographical location & what a person NEEDS.
Me I'll begin working mobile shortly and will be working with files on my laptop quite frequently in my commute. Although I'll be upgrading to a BB with WiFi it doesn't have 3G. My provider does - wherever I'll be communiting about. However, the K850 offers a perfect upgrade to my 2 mth old K790.
Camera upgrade. Sorry many ppl THINK that 5MP is not significant to a 3.2; then just try to PRINT those 3.2 pics on a 10x11 photo quality paper, blurred parts of an image WILL stand out. Sure 3.2MP on a digicam will suffice at this range, I wouldn't trust even my 3.2MP K790 to have a quality clear photo at this range.
3G TriBAND and QUAD BAND GSM/GPRS/EDGE!
3G Rogers has; using my phone as a modem on my upcoming MBP laptop will be PERFECT! Nuff said. Yes 3G is new to us Canadians so don't poke fun. I'll also be able to use Video Calling on a quality phone, not some low-end Samsung.
My investment in M2 and in MicroSD - Blackberry - will not be in vain 
Most of us go through phones like high school girls go through fashion - and not to the same manufacturer for various reasons.
That said I only crave SE's implementation of UIQ3.1 Non-Touchscreen 
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max_wedge
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True. I'd never buy a phone for it's branding (in fact when it comes to operator branding I do my best to get rid of it!), but I also like branding when it represents a quality product. For the same reason I like the Walkman branding.
I do believe there is a cross pollination of ideas between SE and Sony Walkman and Cybershot divisions. I know the K800 isn't made by "sony cybershot", and I know the W800 wasn't designed by "sony walkman", but there is bound to be a degree of expertise exchanged by Sony and SE. It's unlikely to me that SE would not have sought guidance from Sony when developing the idea of a Walkman or Cybershot phone. It just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't utilise Sony's experience.
So I feel the Sony branding of SE products does represent something real and not just for name's sake.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-08-04 02:18:05, max_wedge wrote:
True. I'd never buy a phone for it's branding (in fact when it comes to operator branding I do my best to get rid of it!), but I also like branding when it represents a quality product. For the same reason I like the Walkman branding.
I do believe there is a cross pollination of ideas between SE and Sony Walkman and Cybershot divisions. I know the K800 isn't made by "sony cybershot", and I know the W800 wasn't designed by "sony walkman", but there is bound to be a degree of expertise exchanged by Sony and SE. It's unlikely to me that SE would not have sought guidance from Sony when developing the idea of a Walkman or Cybershot phone. It just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't utilise Sony's experience.
So I feel the Sony branding of SE products does represent something real and not just for name's sake.
I FULLY Agree.
Most ppl on Cybershot phones complain because its NOT the CMOS chipset thats in ... well a Sony Cybershot Camera. Although we'd ALL LOVE that ... its not going to happen for some time. BUT Cybershot represents not the CMOS but the camera USER interface. Very similar to the Cybershot phones although less feature set & intrusive.
Walkman I believe that SONY played a significant ROLE in development of the walkman player. Great work actually.
We all know how cool the media manager GUI is & why its there .... brand name recognition. We ALL recognize its part of the PS3's linux customized GUI even though non of us have ever played, owned a PS3 machine.
I wouldn't be surprised to see elements of the PS3 Home being transferable over BT directly or indirectly via FUN & Downloads for models that have this new File manager application.
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goldenface
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@prom1
So would you say CCD ultimately takes precedent over CMOS in digital camera technology? I always hear about great CCD lenses on digital cameras but they seem to be rare in mobile imaging.
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max_wedge
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On 2007-08-04 02:47:04, goldenface wrote:
@prom1
So would you say CCD ultimately takes precedent over CMOS in digital camera technology? I always hear about great CCD lenses on digital cameras but they seem to be rare in mobile imaging.
This is a difficult question to answer conclusively at the moment, for a couple of reasons:
Firstly, CCD is an expensive sensor option, with CMOS sensors still being common in digital cameras, especially mid to low end. So CCD prices have not dropped fast enough to supplant the need for cmos technology.
Secondly, CMOS sensors have gone through some radical improvements lately, and their ability to produce images with the same characteristics as CCD, but still with the low power use and low cost advantrage of CMOS, means ultimately there may be no point in using CCD for anything but ultra high end.
A sign of this is the use of a 10MP CMOS sensor in the Canon EOS400D DSLR.
So my feeling is that CCD will steadily be replaced with CMOS in all but the high end DSLR and Prosumer markets. This would mean CCD will never become common in mobile phones. Infact, I wouldn't be surprised if we never see another CCD SE camera phone. S700 could be a very unique and special slice of history.
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KingBooker5
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I no this maybe a noob question.
But I keep on hering it.
What do people mean, when they say a picture has to much "noise"? |
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Posted: 2007-08-03 23:30
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