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dayz
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i just want to say people... stop being bias here. i believe that there still some good points with in nokia
i love SE but i personally would say there are some function SE personally loses to nokia
and sometimes it make me wonder to buy a nokia handset really
anyway.. just stop being bias here. | |
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carkitter
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Wow, this discussion has really taken off.
Just wanted to say that I got my MMC-60 cable last night and am pretty pleased with it. The Stereo I use is an oldish Pioneer midi-system with a recently defunct CD player. I've been diappointed with the Bass response from the Pioneer amp but not since I connected my V630i via the  cable. Bass is AWESOME! Sound quality is very good but I'm no audiophile and all my music is encoded in MP3 at 80bps ever since I had the K700i with only 41MB to play with.
I'll take the advice mentioned earlier and convert the tracks to WAV when I get the opportunity.
Off topic, but I just can't get enough of 'you know my name' Bond theme by Chris Cornell ATM... 
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maggflodd
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On 2007-04-28 04:50:09, carkitter wrote:
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?
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yes, he is (btw -since you ask,...) and he probably knows it but doesn't care - we only care when it's pointed out to us... 
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bodum
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@ carkitter
mp3s are good, so why would you want to convert to WAV? WAV files take a lot more space, and if you're not converting from a direct source (i.e. CD), then it's a complete waste of time and space. personally, i would recommend mp3s encoded in VBR and joint stereo using LAME 3.9. best compromise between file size and quality i think. but that's just me.
anyways i do think that the quality of sound here is a matter of preference. eldar from M-R might have certain preferences, and us others. to each his own i guess. but if you're really concerned about sound quality, get an ipod nano and stick it to the back of your handset  |
kalleboo
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Going from my K750 to my K800 I was disappointed with the K800 sound, but now I have a Nokia N73 and it has even worse sound. You can hear more detail in the K800 music.
I bought the Nokia Music Headset and the bundled headphones were useless! They're worse than the headphones I got complimentary on a train... So I plugged in my Sony Ericsson earbuds into the 3.5mm jack  |
rehamer
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How many SE fans here have ever tried n91? m the first in the list and then plug some comments. |
bodum
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that ugly brick? good looks are always worth more than a marginal increase in sound quality. but then, that's just me. |
maggflodd
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On 2007-04-28 20:40:45, rehamer wrote:
How many SE fans here have ever tried n91? m the first in the list and then plug some comments.
I own one, and though I mostly use my e61 (which is pretty good for music - Dogmann said a bit about it), I love n91 to really blast my head through when I feel like... I've owned revox reference amps and then some in my life...the n91 is quite something!!! (yes, I know all its flaws too... But btw - dropped it twice: the hd CAN take it!!!)... Now I haven't tried w950, but I can say my wife's w810 is not even on the same planet!
Anything else?
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icaka
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On 2007-04-28 08:45:08, bodum wrote:
@ carkitter
mp3s are good, so why would you want to convert to WAV? WAV files take a lot more space, and if you're not converting from a direct source (i.e. CD), then it's a complete waste of time and space. personally, i would recommend mp3s encoded in VBR and joint stereo using LAME 3.9. best compromise between file size and quality i think. but that's just me.
anyways i do think that the quality of sound here is a matter of preference. eldar from M-R might have certain preferences, and us others. to each his own i guess. but if you're really concerned about sound quality, get an ipod nano and stick it to the back of your handset
mp3s are good enough if you listen to them with an average set of headphones,but if you get better HF you will hear the differences between the WAV and MP3 files and believe me,they are obvious and you will be very disappointed from the mp3s.Well,WAV files certainly take a lot more space,but in your view - in my view just the mp3s take a lot less space,it is just me.BTW,you are right its completely useless to convert mp3 to WAV,ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS.So,back to the topic about WAV in general.If I have the W950i or the Nokia N91,or even the 8GB version,I do have enough space,don't I?Well,it depends on people what to choose but if you have good noise canceling or isolating IEM like some highend Ultimate Ears or Shure or Westone or etc. its pointless to use them with mp3.At home I personally listen to DVD-Audio and SACD discs,even the WAV is not up to quality,but again,its just me.Many people know that mp3 cuts some of the bass and much of the high frequencies and you couldn't have heard a proper bass response from mp3,and its not about headphones here.And about the Ipods,they are really shitty soundwise,their focus is on quantity,not quality.If you want quality,get an Archos.
Sorry if my post sounds more or less offensive,thats not the point,its just to correct some mistakes.
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icaka
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On 2007-04-28 22:10:49, maggflodd wrote:
On 2007-04-28 20:40:45, rehamer wrote:
How many SE fans here have ever tried n91? m the first in the list and then plug some comments.
I own one, and though I mostly use my e61 (which is pretty good for music - Dogmann said a bit about it), I love n91 to really blast my head through when I feel like... I've owned revox reference amps and then some in my life...the n91 is quite something!!! (yes, I know all its flaws too... But btw - dropped it twice: the hd CAN take it!!!)... Now I haven't tried w950, but I can say my wife's w810 is not even on the same planet!
Anything else?
Great music device,it was a birthday present for me .Very loud,though not that clear at max,but I enjoyed it at medium or even a little bit lower than that.Perfect match for my Sennheisers PX100,as crystal clear sound as it could be from a phone and "light" category headphones.Don't forget,it has a DSP.And I have dropped it too - it survived after all As you pointed out,it has considerable flaws,and was quite an uninteresting device except its sound reproduction - quite a brick and quite a bad battery life,bad display,slow HD,etc.I can't forget the "frying" HD - the phone used to get warm.These things made me buy W950i - and I'm satisfied with it for now - fast flash memory,large touch screen(not a plus for everybody though),lighter,smaller,better bat life.Not so mind blasting,not so crystal clear,but everything else is in its place.Maybe only the keypad could be made more user-friendly and the jog-dial,but I don't find them that bad.
About the W810 - it really sucks,a friend of mine has it,REALLY BAD,as well as the W850  .I want to say some good words about the W900i - as somebody pointed out,very good music reproduction,on par with the W950i.
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maggflodd
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@icaka,
interesting post - and as I posted earlier, I have owned some nice hifi-components in my life, so I can appreciate where you're coming from... I have a feeling though that this thread is of interest to a fairly broad section of esato-members, many of them are probably more interested in the "out-of-the-box" experience...how does a w.... compare to a n..., etc. I certainly understand that interest, as much as I appreciate reading your input. It's bad enough that we have been conditioned to "accept" that the first few month are now a "regular" series of firmware updates until maybe they get it right (p990 anyone?)... But for the average user a w-phone oughta be good for music straight out of the box (heck, these days you can buy preloaded ipods!!! For the lazy...too lazy for taste even) - as should an n91... I'm certain some readers tuned out because they don't wanna study entertainment-electronics before they can enjoy some easy, skipfree listening. That's what this thread is about. I'm sure if you got your hands on my wife's w810i it'd sound way better than my n91. But: as sold, my e61 "business" phone kicks the 810's butt (even using the monoheadset... Kidding, a bit )not to mention "the ugly brick" a.k.a. n91!
so, I'd like some "ordinary" users to add some comments - lets face it, recently quite a bit of nagging about SE here on esato... So? Consider e.g. the interest in the e61i thread despite the fact that there already was a busy e-series thread...
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bodum
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no offence taken, and pretty much agree. except i would think that the true audiophile would never use mp3s as a medium, and the people who do use digital compression more or less are more concerned about file size than sound precision. after all, the point of mp3s and digital compression in general is to strike a balance between small file size and ACCEPTABLE music quality. acceptable here being relative term.
so honestly speaking, i never require more than VBR mp3s when i'm on the move, and even if i use very high end headphones like B&O, i wouldn't find much of a difference in the sound anyway. might just be my ears, i guess. |
maggflodd
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Wellspoken, bodum (and sorry for butting in on your chat with icaka).. I mean where I work,e.g., we just got 512mb phillips mps players in that "apparently" store 250 songs... Dream on - but that's the kind of space/song ratio your average consumer has been conditioned to expect...
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icaka
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magg,you are right about my posts,maybe they are interesting but not very useful to everyone.
So for the out-of-the-box experience - I was quite impressed by the build quality of both phones,very classy outlook.I liked the box items which they came with,really nice sets.The N91 came with a desktop stand or whatever it is called which looks nice and is useful,but not a requirement for me.Instead,the W950i had a carrying pouch,its good enough to protect it from scratches.But the W950i definitely needs a screen protector,so if you want to buy it,keep this in mind in order to save the display longer.When I was going out with the "ugly brick" it definitely attracted attention,really beautiful and shiny metal finish(until I scratched it ),just the phone had to be in scale 1:0,7 ,for example.It is heavy and I used to feel as I was carrying a really "hardcore" music device.Very nice feeling,I can't forget that,as well as the brilliant music performance,and the nice controls over the number buttons.Its look is a kind of a "luxurious" one(completely opposite to the image of the W950i - its very high-tech looking,I like it in another way).But after some time,I became accustomed to that and started thinking more rationally.It is very "tall" phone and not very slim also.The display wasn't its best feature,but not that bad if you had a 220x176 pixel display on your previous phone.The W950i has awesome large 320x240 pixel display which I find very useful for watching music videos.They can be watched in landscape view.And the SE is really thin(15mm if I recall true) and not that tall,but very wide as most touchscreen phones.It has a good-looking keypad,but not that easy to use.Keys are hard to press and I don't always hit them well because the surface is flat,although it has some kind of "dots" to show where are they.
The music transfer from my PC to the N91 was way too slow compared to the W950i.The Walkman also has better software for music transfer,though I used the both directly as mass storage devices.Instead,W950i is kind of difficult to use at the beginning - it has too "uncommon" and not very user friendly navigation when you use it with one hand,as I do most of the time.After some time I became acquainted with it,and even become "Dexter" to some extent It hasn't the same music reproduction as the N91,a little bit "blurry" in the high and the low registers,but its "awesome enough" for the non-audiophiles.(no offense ,it certainly is the best Walkman together with the W900i)And with the HPMs in the set it sounds better than any other phone except the "ugly brick".Some HPM-82 are bundled,which are like the HPM-70,but with PLAY-PAUSE-F.FORWARD/BACK-CHANGE TRACK FORW/BACK controls on the cable and are black,but the keys are somewhat hard to press IMO.The remote control is located on the lower part before the 3.5mm jack,which is useful because you can plug in your own headphones and still have it,and you have the handsfree mic also.But the Nokia comes with slightly better sounding headphones IMHO.
About the other things - both are smartphones,the N91 has WiFi 802.11g,recording from the radio,USB,EDGE,3G,etc.The W950i has 3G(but no front camera),Opera Browser,RSS,flight mode(which enables you to use your phone only as media player without the BT and the GSM/UMTS finctions in planes),etc.
About the media players - the Nokia's one is very "slim" - not so bells and whistles as the Walkman 2.0.Read some review for more info,its a very long theme.I didn't feel much difference when adjusting the N91's EQ,the SE was on the opposite.Also the SE has more bars in the EQ(9).
The W950i hasn't camera,the N91 has a 2mpix CMOS one,not very good,but still there.
Both have 4gb of memory,the N91 uses harddisc,which is slower,fragile to an extent and uses more power than the used in the W950i flash memory.
If I recall anything more,I will add it to the post.
And about your wife's W810 - even God can't make anything about it
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maggflodd
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@icaka,
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