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whizkidd
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@peterkay, i believe on this. All these various manifestations of religion, in whatever shape or form they come to mankind, have this one common central basis. It is the preaching of freedom, the way out of this world. They never come to reconcile the world and religion, but to cut the Gordian knot, to establish religion in its own ideal, and not to compromise with the world. That is what, i believe every religion preaches.
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PeterKay
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Good to know what you beleive matey 
What are your thoughts on the Day of Judgement, Life after death?
This is what i beleive - Please read
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Sammy_boy
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@PeterKay - interesting link to the English version of the Quran - I've bookmarked it, although I'm not religious I'm always interested in different religions and how they work!
I've seen a few programmes and read a few things on an ancient Egyptian pharoah called Akhenaten who was the first, and only pharoah to believe in there only being one God. He set up his own religion based around a sun-god, the one god and built a city around this new religion. Sucessive pharoah declared this heresy, and scorned it.
There is a line of thinking that this 'one god instead of many' idea may be behind many of today's 'one God' religions, including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc., and that they may have originated from Akhenaten and his followers' ideas.
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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PeterKay
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@Sammy_boy, good point and well explained.
I personally feel that from the day that God created Adam till today and the days till the hearafter - There HAS only been One God and will remain to be One God. He is the One who we will have to answer to on the day of resurrection. He will question on regarding this short life of ours and what we have done, who we have worshipped and what deeds have you bought forward.
What are your thoughts on the hearafter @Sammy_boy?
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Sammy_boy
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Found a bit more on Akhenaten and modern religion here I apologise now for all the adverts and crap surrounding it, and it's the only thing I've found after a quick Google search, I don't think it's particuarly good research (more an opinion) but it illustrates the idea a bit more.
@PeterKay - with regards to the hereafter/afterlife, I'm afraid to say I don't believe in it. I don't believe we turn into some sort of noncorporeal life form and go on to another place - though I do wish that I did believe that. I do wonder if the concepts of 'heaven' and 'hell' were created to stop us all going doolally because we realised that when we died it was game over. Do not pass go. Do not collect £200  I'm sorry to say I'm too cynical a person to believe.
I'll leave you with an approximate quote from Red Dwarf's Kryten - "what, no Silicone heaven, but where to all the calculators go?" (Apparently photocopiers go to Silicone Hell.... which is probably where my old computer is!  )
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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PeterKay
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If you do not beleive in the hearafter, thats fair enough, thats what you belieive. Fair point.
This is what the Holy Quran states about the Day of resurrection
Chapter 75 Verses 3 to 6:
3. Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones?
4. Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
5. But man wishes to do wrong (even) in the time in front of him.
6. He questions: "When is the Day of Resurrection?"
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whizkidd
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@peterkay, what i think about life after death is more or less explained here It is too vast a subject that i can type...especially on wap! I'm on html lite on my phone and there's this annoying word limit!  . I would be pleased if you explain what the concept of judgement day is as i am not too knowledgable on that particular topic. _________________ Congrats to all esato award winners!
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On the Day of Judgement, the feet of the human being will not be able to move till he/she is questioned about five matters (and gives a reasonable account):
1. On what they spent their life,
2. In what pursuits they passed their youth,
3. From where did they earn wealth,
4. On what they spent it,
5. How much they acted upon the knowledge they required.
Almighty Allah states in the Holy Qur’aan:
" So do you think that We created you but, for naught, and that ye would not be returned unto Us (for account)?"
The Holy Quraan states clearly relating belief that Allah is just and His justice demands that there must be difference between the rewards of those who do good deeds and that punishment must be emended to those who live an evil life. Since it is not always necessary that good deeds are attended by good results in this life, it is necessary that somehow and somewhere man should get full reward for his good deeds and should be punished for his evil deeds.
Almighty Allah says:
"Shall We treat those who believe and do good deeds of righteousness, the same as those who spread corruption (do mischief) on earth? Shall We treat those who guard against evil (pious), the same as those who turn aside from the right (wicked)?
This is what i beleive and all Muslims beleive.
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whizkidd
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Interesting. Have a read of that link i gave and let me know what you opine of that! I think it is more or less similar.
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Its past two am here..i'm gonna sleep now. Thanks for sharing your knowledge @peterkay...good night folks!
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PeterKay
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Similar indeed Whizkidd. Nice read, thanks for the link.
Good night and have a relaxing sleep, we shall continue of friendly religious debate and thoughts when the night turns into day by the Grace of Almighty God.
Final quote of the day from the Glorious Quran: Chapter 59 Verse 29
29. Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and he merges Day into Night; that He has subjected the sun, and the moon (to his Law), each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do?
Good Night all and Peace (Salaams) to all
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Sammy_boy
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Night PeterKay 
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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vanquish
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On 2005-07-12 19:25:50, axxxr wrote:
Sammy_boy my appologies to you for all of this..I am trying to avoid him as much as possible but you can't let someone get away with being disrespectfull....I will try to bring to closer to this dispute now if Vanquish agrees?
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No i dont agree. You mess with me, then blame it on me, then want me to stop! I will stop ruining threads, yes, we both must, but the dispute wont stop. And we arent going to get banned unless we break the forum rules, so lets not talk about this in any threads because it is rule number three, to not take things of course.
@Pete, your religion is really interesting me now. I like what you have written, RE must have taught me nothing! As ax said, beautifully written
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PeterKay
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My religion will become more interesting to everyone if they read the Holy Quran and stop reading the daily newspapers
Chapter 36 Verse 58 says:
"Peace!" - a word (of salutation) from a Lord Most Merciful!
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vanquish
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Why do the women have to wear head scarves in Iran (and other countries). Ive always wondered this, and if i visit a mulsim country would my mum have to wear one.
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