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On 2009-04-04 14:43:12, Bhavv wrote:
In case you didnt understand the title of this thread, it says 'What makes the I Phone more relevant then others'.
Key words - I Phone, and others.
This is not a thread about the I Phone, it is a thread asking to compare it to 'others', like for example, the LG Arena.
So you wouldn't say that a thread entitled "What makes the iphone more relevant then others" was actually asking what it was that made the iphone more relevant than others?
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Ok boinng, do us all a favor and put up a video review of the I Phones browser so we can equally see how bad it is.
And with Apples huge branding with the letter 'I' I would assume that at least 50% of the people who watch that video would assume an 'eye' glass to be a feature on the I Phone.
A question asking what makes one product more relevant then another is highly biased in the first place, as it has been said by many in this this thread, the I Phone is no where near relevant or dominant compared to the competition.
The thread is asking for comparisons between the I Phone and other models, why exactly do you think that you should be able to dictate what can and cant be discussed regarding the relevancy, OR the irrelevancy of the I Phone against other products?
You would be better of posting in a thread titled 'Great things about the I Phone' rather then in this one.
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Lg Arena review at CNET...
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030107,49301637,00.htm
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"Haven't we met before?
The Arena looks very much like a chubbier, smaller first-generation iPhone, especially from the back. It's clearly gunning for the iPhone market, so it's only fair that we compare it to the current touchphone champ.
Like most smart phones, the Arena wipes the floor with the iPhone in terms of features. It seems to have almost everything going, including all we've ever missed in the iPhone: cut and paste, MMS, FM radio, a landscape Qwerty keypad, proper Bluetooth -- you name it.
But the iPhone didn't become an all-conquering champion because of its feature set. It managed to make smart-phone features that have been around for years, like the mobile Web and touchscreen, work effortlessly -- and that's where the Arena falls down.
Smart but slow
Our biggest complaint about touchscreens is usually how slow they are. When you only have a soft keypad to make a call or write a text, any delay between tapping the letter and it appearing on the screen can be frustrating and lead to errors galore.
LG promised speed with the new S-Class user interface, and we did find the home screens responsive, with plenty of scope for customisation. The Arena's on-screen dialling pad is also snappy, but using the keypad to write texts or emails is not so pleasant. "
Nice video though...
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030108,49301637-1,00.htm
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On 2009-04-04 15:34:01, Bhavv wrote:
Ok boinng, do us all a favor and put up a video review of the I Phones browser so we can equally see how bad it is.
I don't have all day to find the best ever review, but here's one of a few I found that shows the pinching to zoom in and out quite well - it's a bit blurry to begin with, but you can easily see the speed and smoothness of the iPhone's zoom response. Watch this carefully, try the same on your Arena (the performance of which we're all familiar with courtesy of the BBC) and then come back to BS me about how superior the Arena is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFS4QLXXiu8&feature=related
PS - you'll notice that video is from August 2007. It's only gotten better since.
And with Apples huge branding with the letter 'I' I would assume that at least 50% of the people who watch that video would assume an 'eye' glass to be a feature on the I Phone.
No, I'm pretty sure it would only be those desperately hunting for some kind of help like yourself.
The thread is asking for comparisons between the I Phone and other models, why exactly do you think that you should be able to dictate what can and cant be discussed regarding the relevancy, OR the irrelevancy of the I Phone against other products?
Um, I didn't? I'm not trying to dictate anything, I'm just enjoying the discussion. Aren't you?
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The level of fuel the iphone brought to mobile development can only be beneficial to everyone since the consumers will end up getting better products and the companies found a few better solutions to old problems. Even Nokia´s CEO has already thanked apple for this. Going on with this ´irrational´ hostility just shows how shortsighted a few people are. |
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Oh, but you see, my posts are only nonsense to the apple fans, I dont see anyone else going as crazy as you are over my simple opinions on a rubbish Phone.
Ok time for my first long post in some time. As mentioned earlier in this thread, I am by no means an Apple fan, user, evangelist. Hell, I do not even like the iPhone. But that doesn't mean I go about ranting about how shitty the phone is (just because I do not like it) and claim everyone using the iPhone are ignorant fools.
I do not like the iPhone -- Not because it is a bad phone, (and it definitely isn't) just because of the fact that it doesn't suit my needs. C'mon, there are some genuinely crappy handsets out there. Going by Bhavv's posts, he either seems to hold an extreme grudge for all things Apple or simply hates the iPhone for some strange undisclosable reason  . I simply fail to understand how anyone could have so strong feelings for a phone. At the end of the day, its just a freaking phone. A thing to make life easier for you. If you dont like it, don't use it? But anyone trying to say why they prefer using the iPhone is being relegated to a fanboy or a fool who has just fallen for Steve Jobs' marketing gimmick. So what he essentially says is that most of the iPhone users out there are ignoramus' who just fall prey to marketing strategies or are spellbound by the UI and forget how crappy the phone actually is? So most of the millions of iPhone users are idiots? I am sure, I might be termed a fanboy as well after this post.
I am surprised to see him blame masseur for being a fanboy even though our mod has clearly stated he is as much a WM user as an iPhone user. In fact, having known masseur for at least five years, I know his WM history, quite a bit. And I find it funny that someone could even remotely associate him with the fanboy tag.
Bhavv, you should seriously take a look at your posts. I agree with your claim of the LG being technically, feature wise superior to the iPhone. It does everything YOU need, But judging others requirements by keeping your own preferences as the base is a bad job of being fair and objective. You seem to measure a phone capability by the number of features they sport or maybe even the "quality" of the features. Is one phone better than the other because it has five more features than the other? Is the Arena superior to an N95 just because it is touchscreen? You say your Arena can do everything the iPhone could and more, but the iPhone, for its users does what they need from the phone and it seems to do it pretty well and convincingly. Some might not be happy with it. Like me. For me, the iPhone is an expensive proposition and definitely doesn't do what I need. So I skipped it. But i don't go dissing others around me who thought the phone was good enough for them. But like others, I doubt if the Arena would have even existed had it not been for the iPhone. Hell, even the design speaks for itself as to what it is inspired from. Your posts sound like YOU have turned into an Arena fanboy. 
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So what he essentially says is that most of the iPhone users out there are ignoramus' who just fall prey to marketing strategies or are spellbound by the UI and forget how crappy the phone actually is? So most of the millions of iPhone users are idiots? I am sure, I might be termed a fanboy as well after this post.
Yep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYXNUfnd_qE
You go around with anything that looks like an I Pod or an I Phone, guess what everysingle person thinks you have?
You ask an average joe what they think the best phone / product is, it will be I Phone / Apple product, just because they find it shiny and it looks nice.
Apple have done something that other manufactures havnt been able to, and that is they have managed to reach the minds of most average people who only know and buy Apple products. Their adverts are a complete joke (see Mac vs PC), yet people like them and buy the products.
They could literally release anything onto the market branded under Apple and sell it just because their name and logo is on the device, parody of that here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXFnbZr2AD0
I looked at my posts and do agree with what I say, what exactly do you think I posted them?
BTW, I didnt call everysingle person that buys an Apple product a fanboy, but there are many many people who will buy things just because they are made by apple and are shiny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Aj0Jfyz9EQ (I Phone launch).
At least there is one place where people dont like the I Phone, Japan:
http://www.crunchgear.com/200[....]-japan-now-available-for-free/
Now Japan is truly where I wished I live, because of their wonderful technology and techie toys. I love the latest and best technology, and products which are poorly specced and overpriced (I.E. Apple) annoy me.
Your posts sound like YOU have turned into an Arena fanboy.
And LG have earned me as a fan and gotten my custom for such a nicely designed and specified device as the Arena, and even more respect and interest for the upcoming GD900. What have Apple released for me to be interested in them? Underspecified and overpriced, but shiny looking handsets.
As mentioned bove, people in Japan do not actually like or buy Apple products because they enjoy their high tech products. Korea is probably similar as well. I love technology and high specs at good prices. I would have no problem with the I Phone if it was priced according to its specification, a lot cheaper then it currently is, and available sim free, but as it currently is, it is very overpriced and a rip off for what you get, just like Mac PC's and IPods are. They are very expensive and underspecified.
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You go around with anything that looks like an I Pod or an I Phone, guess what everysingle person thinks you have? You ask an average joe what they think the best phone / product is, it will be I Phone / Apple product, just because they find it shiny and it looks nice. Apple have done something that other manufactures havnt been able to, and that is they have managed to reach the minds of most average people who only know and buy Apple products. Their adverts are a complete joke (see Mac vs PC), yet people like them and buy the products.
I agree with you there. In India MP3 players are known as iPods and not MP3 players. When you say Apple have done "something" that other manufacturers havent been able to, that something is a great marketing strategy and focus on one brand, name and segment. They do not dole out thousands of products with different names and similar features with maybe five or six "exclusive" features. Instead they concentrate on one bloody thing and make it so well that it sort of creates a benchmark. Infact I would say that when the first generation iPhone came out, it did nothing more than a standard, decent, self respecting handset out there. It had web browsing (others had it), had a camera (which still is mediocre). But it was the way in which it did those things. Prior to the iPhone web browsing on a touchscreen was personally a pain in the rear for me. I have had the chance to use the iPhone for extended peiods of time thanks to my job which keeps me connected to the latest handsets out there. To this day, I think it was the UI that did it for the iPhone, And it sure is a bloody good UI.. Nothing of the sort people had seen or heard of before. If it still sells, it is because of the feeling that no one can ape the iPhone, atleast for the UI part. Come to think of it, when was the last time you bought a phone just because of its UI? I know of many who bought the phone for that. And they were ready to forgo the other features for it. And these were NOT laymen. They knew what they were upto and did not regret their decision.
They could literally release anything onto the market branded under Apple and sell it just because their name and logo is on the device
So? Is that Apple's fault? Or is it the people? Whom are you trying to blame?
At the end of the day, it is a company out there to make money. If a brand has so much recall value that people blindly buy products just because of the name, that is a successful marketing strategy at work. Its not just Apple that has managed to do that. Hell, Nokia still has such a place here in India where people refuse to look at other brands when there are other better options out there. Brands are kinda important and marketing strategies are designed to get into the consumers psyche and create an illusion of one product being superior to the other even though it actually might not be. With such a flashy device as the iPhone at their disposal, Apple was easily able to get laymen into buying the iPhone. Perfectly legal as long as they are not cheating people. Survival of the fittest my friend.
BTW, I didnt call everysingle person that buys an Apple product a fanboy, but there are many many people who will buy things just because they are made by apple and are shiny
Well you might have not. But anyone trying to present you with a rational argument is been as mentioned earlier, called an Apple fanboy -- especially if the poor soul happens to own the iPhone. . Owning an iPhone and defending their reasons for getting it does not qualify the person to become a fanboy, does it?
At least there is one place where people dont like the I Phone, Japan:
http://www.crunchgear.com/200[....]-japan-now-available-for-free/
Now Japan is truly where I wished I live, because of their wonderful technology and techie toys. I love the latest and best technology, and products which are poorly specced and overpriced (I.E. Apple) annoy me.
So Apple really isn't the problem, is it? Its the lack of intelligent people around you who are incapable of choosing the best device out there and go by advertisements and fall for marketing ploys the problem? I'm sorry friend, but there is little you could do to change that. FYI, Nokia too has pulled out of Japan. ---- > http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]s-out-of-japan-nobody-notices/ . So even the high tech, feature packed phones by Nokia fail to impress the Japanese. Theirs is infact an entirely different market and Europe and the rest of the world is atleast a decade behind these guys in terms of mobile telephony. No wonder, a flashy handset like the iPhone will not do well because these folks know stuff so well that a pretty UI alone will not suffice.
And LG have earned me as a fan and gotten my custom for such a nicely designed and specified device as the Arena, and even more respect and interest for the upcoming GD900. What have Apple released for me to be interested in them? Underspecified and overpriced, but shiny looking handsets.
I love technology and high specs at good prices. I would have no problem with the I Phone if it was priced according to its specification, a lot cheaper then it currently is, and available sim free, but as it currently is, it is very overpriced and a rip off for what you get, just like Mac PC's and IPods are. They are very expensive and underspecified.
Umm ok. So what are you planning to do about it? You have already chosen what you can do. You made a statement by NOT buying the iPhone because it is a rip off, and is a featureless phone as compared to the oher options out there. Even I used to think what would have been the problem if Apple had integrated everything one needs in the iPhone and leave no room for complaints? But the guys knew what they were doing. It might have been a loss for technology enthusiasts like you and me. But whatever you say, the iPhone was a hit, albeit in certain markets it has failed to hit the mark. (I India for example, it still is doing extremely, extremely poorly) and Apple has managed to do what others took years to achieve. That too wit one single model. Isn't that commendable? You should be happy about the fact that the Arena is the "perfect phone" for you. It is rare that one finds the perfect phone. I for example am still awaiting one. 
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On 2009-04-04 04:05:18, Bhavv wrote:
Its just funny how desperately you carry on trying to defend the I Phone and refusing to accept that anything can be better when it so clearly is.
Oh dear, i think it's all the opposite. 
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It's definatley the opposite. Some people cannot stand how much attention the iphone gets over phones that are supposedly better.
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So, I just realised that the LG Arena is not actually influenced by the iPhone at all, it is actually a direct improvement of the LG Prada, which was in fact released before the iPhone.
Boinng's comments that the Arena would not have existed without the iPhone are total BS, the Arena may be similar to the iPhone, but the iPhone was the model actually copying LG's Prada, and the Arena was just a natural step up from their previous model.
I really wonder why the iPhone is never noticed or commented on as a LG Prada clone / rip off then?
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/
"The iPhone of Apple Computer is allegedly a clone of a handset made by the Seoul-based LG Electronics, the world’s fifth-largest cell phone manufacturer," Kim Tae-gyu reports for The Korea Times.
. 'At first glance, we recognized the iPhone shares many form factors with the Prada phone. We are flattered that other makers follow our design policy,'
Very old news, but as I were never previously interested in LG, I never noticed.
So the Arena is just a successor to LG's own previous models, from which the iPhone actually copied. Yet its funny how the iPhone reaches 'revolutionary' status, just because it was advertised as such.
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On 2009-04-06 02:50:01, Bhavv wrote:
I really wonder why the iPhone is never noticed or commented on as a LG Prada clone / rip off then?
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/
"The iPhone of Apple Computer is allegedly a clone of a handset made by the Seoul-based LG Electronics, the world’s fifth-largest cell phone manufacturer," Kim Tae-gyu reports for The Korea Times.
. 'At first glance, we recognized the iPhone shares many form factors with the Prada phone. We are flattered that other makers follow our design policy,'
Dream on... How many iPhone owners seriously considered buying a Prada? Not this one.
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On 2009-04-06 02:50:01, Bhavv wrote:
So, I just realised that the LG Arena is not actually influenced by the iPhone at all, it is actually a direct improvement of the LG Prada, which was in fact released before the iPhone.
Boinng's comments that the Arena would not have existed without the iPhone are total BS, the Arena may be similar to the iPhone, but the iPhone was the model actually copying LG's Prada, and the Arena was just a natural step up from their previous model.
I really wonder why the iPhone is never noticed or commented on as a LG Prada clone / rip off then?
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/
"The iPhone of Apple Computer is allegedly a clone of a handset made by the Seoul-based LG Electronics, the world’s fifth-largest cell phone manufacturer," Kim Tae-gyu reports for The Korea Times.
. 'At first glance, we recognized the iPhone shares many form factors with the Prada phone. We are flattered that other makers follow our design policy,'
Very old news, but as I were never previously interested in LG, I never noticed.
So the Arena is just a successor to LG's own previous models, from which the iPhone actually copied. Yet its funny how the iPhone reaches 'revolutionary' status, just because it was advertised as such.
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Yes the prada was due to come out anyway as it was announced before but are you seriously telling me the Arena is not influenced by iphone? The UI layout is a total copy.
Why are you constantly trying to prove your phone is superior to iphone? Who are you trying to convince?
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On 2009-04-06 02:50:01, Bhavv wrote:
Boinng's comments that the Arena would not have existed without the iPhone are total BS, the Arena may be similar to the iPhone, but the iPhone was the model actually copying LG's Prada, and the Arena was just a natural step up from their previous model.
I really wonder why the iPhone is never noticed or commented on as a LG Prada clone / rip off then?
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/
Yeah - probably not worth pointing out to most people, but for the avoidance of doubt, that article was posted in January 2007 before either the Prada or the iPhone had actually been released, and nobody had actually compared the form and function of either. Basically the story here is "the iPhone is not the first touchscreen phone shocker!" which in retrospect is a very silly and obvious thing to be pointing out, as clearly the Prada isn't the first touchscreen either - our very own SE were producing the P800 in 2002 after all, and the R380 before that (both of which could be operated entirely by touch) and if you want to get really pedantic it was actually IBM who did it first many years before anyone else - http://cdecas.free.fr/computers/pocket/simon.php
That LG and Apple were both working on touchscreen phones at the same time is not surprising. That the iPhone and the Prada were worlds apart upon their eventual release is well known. The true innovations in the original iPhone were after all the UI, the mutitouch functions, and the groundbreaking mobile browsing, none of which were present in the Prada and all of which LG have subsequently tried to clumsily ape in the form of the Arena.
The idea that Apple saw the Prada phone in September 2006 (when pictures of its design were first released) and immediately thought "wowzers, we must copy that" before knocking up the iPhone in time for its January 2007 reveal is, well, about as silly as most of Bhavv's other contributions here.
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Wow, this is still going on! Amazing!
People who choose the Iphone (okay, not all of them) do so knowing it lacks your 5mp A/F camera, video recorder, FM radio, etc, but do so because it does what it does best.
I'm no apple fan nor do I own or intend to own one until it becomes relevant to my main needs but I agree and admit that it really is the most relevant phone currently. Apple have done an excellent job in marketing it and are continuously giving it attention in the way of RELEVANT upgrades (OS 3).
Like it was mentioned before, the fact that its name carries such weight is due to brilliant and clever marketing. If you don't like the Iphone respect those that do because it fulfills their needs.
Brilliant multitouch technology which resulted in a brilliant touch UI, excellent music player, really good build quality and it works like it should. Now, how many manufturers can claim that?
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