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Jubei1
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Its not a big difference guys, li-polymer material is more flexible and can be shaped. Sony most likely chose polymer because they wanted a large battery to fit in a tight space |
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Ambivalent_
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On 2013-07-28 15:00:34, DexterMoser wrote:
Ok I have to revise my hypothesis, sorry about that.
Seems both technologies have their pro and cons.
As far as I know the Apple iPhones are using Li-Po-Batteries, as the HTC One, One X/XL..., on the other hand Samsung is using Li-Ion-Batteries (checked my S4, too).
Why is that so? I have absolutely no idea 
I must admit I didn't know Li Po batteries were so prevalent, I was really hopping for something special about Honami's battery since Ramu suggested it would be somehow better than ordinary batteries. So I thought Li Po build had something to do with it... |
smclion102
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Pros & Cons: Li-Po vs Li-ion
The lithium-ion battery
Advantages
High energy density - potential for yet higher capacities.
Does not need prolonged priming when new. One regular charge is all that's needed.
Relatively low self-discharge - self-discharge is less than half that of nickel-based batteries.
Low Maintenance - no periodic discharge is needed; there is no memory.
Specialty cells can provide very high current to applications such as power tools.
Limitations
Requires protection circuit to maintain voltage and current within safe limits.
Subject to aging, even if not in use - storage in a cool place at 40% charge reduces the aging effect.
Transportation restrictions - shipment of larger quantities may be subject to regulatory control. This restriction does not apply to personal carry-on batteries.
Expensive to manufacture - about 40 percent higher in cost than nickel-cadmium.
Not fully mature - metals and chemicals are changing on a continuing basis.
The lithium polymer battery
Advantages
Very low profile - batteries resembling the profile of a credit card are feasible.
Flexible form factor - manufacturers are not bound by standard cell formats. With high volume, any reasonable size can be produced economically.
Lightweight - gelled electrolytes enable simplified packaging by eliminating the metal shell.
Improved safety - more resistant to overcharge; less chance for electrolyte leakage.
Limitations
Lower energy density and decreased cycle count compared to lithium-ion.
Expensive to manufacture.
No standard sizes. Most cells are produced for high volume consumer markets.
Higher cost-to-energy ratio than lithium-ion
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supercoolman
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Lower energy density and decreased cycle count compared to lithium-ion. |
XperiaJunkie
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Any one know if the The battery life on the Honami will be superior to that of the Z. Yes the Honami has a much larger battery 3000 mAh as opposed to 2330 mAh in the Z but the Honami has a much higher clock speed 2.2 GHZ rather than 1.5 GHZ. I personally don't have an issue with the battery life in my Xperia Z but a few reviews did say that the Z has poor battery performance and less than positive reviews may hurt sales.
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Jubei1
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On 2013-07-28 18:38:13, XperiaJunkie wrote:
Any one know if the The battery life on the Honami will be superior to that of the Z. Yes the Honami has a much larger battery 3000 mAh as opposed to 2330 mAh in the Z but the Honami has a much higher clock speed 2.2 GHZ rather than 1.5 GHZ. I personally don't have an issue with the battery life in my Xperia Z but a few reviews did say that the Z has poor battery performance and less than positive reviews may hurt sales.
2,2 Ghz is just the "top speed" like in a car, it doesnt run at that frequency all the time
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AbhiD999
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On 2013-07-28 18:38:13, XperiaJunkie wrote:
Any one know if the The battery life on the Honami will be superior to that of the Z. Yes the Honami has a much larger battery 3000 mAh as opposed to 2330 mAh in the Z but the Honami has a much higher clock speed 2.2 GHZ rather than 1.5 GHZ. I personally don't have an issue with the battery life in my Xperia Z but a few reviews did say that the Z has poor battery performance and less than positive reviews may hurt sales.
Sony phones have a habit of giving full battery performance after a quite a lot of charge cycles !!! That's due to the li polymer batteries of Sony phones.
Therefore no matter how much big batteries Sony employ in it's phones, it's always going to get poor reviews in battery department which actually isn't true!
If these reviewers start measuring battery life in accurate way then only xperia's will get good reviews regarding battery!!! |
itsjustJOH
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^No Sony phone, except for the Neo L, has Li-Po battery but SE has some or most of its phones with Li-Po including Arc and Arc S, Neo, Pro, X10, Satio and even P1. The Xperia Z, based on GSM Arena's test, has very good talk time but poor on video playback and browsing. That would most probably be because of the poor quality display (power and picture, unfortunately), that hopefully is improved on the Honami. |
XperiaJunkie
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Wow seems like a mixed response regarding my question on battery performance suppose we will just have to wait and see.
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sponse
Joined: Jun 18, 2013
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ion battery:
life = 500-400 charging cycles
polymer battery
life = 900-700 charging cycles
the polymer costs more.
that is the main and most important difference for the mainstream users.
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Tsepz_GP
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I've owned phones with both Li Po (N81, K850i, Xperia X10) and Li Ion (majority of phones I've had) and in real life haven't noticed much diff, I've even had both types swell up (Li Po in X10 and N81 as well as the Li Ion in my N80) to a point where they can barely keep charge.
I think the most important part is that Li Po are flexible and allow OEMs to customise their shape and size.
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halim2k
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On 2013-07-28 19:16:42, itsjustJOH wrote:
^No Sony phone, except for the Neo L, has Li-Po battery but SE has some or most of its phones with Li-Po including Arc and Arc S, Neo, Pro, X10, Satio and even P1
Xperia S has a Li-Po Battery
Xperia TX has a Li-Po Battery
Xperia Z has a Li-Po Battery
So, from where did you get this strange statement? |
itsjustJOH
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^
Xperia S: Non-removable Li-Ion 1750 mAh battery
Xperia Z: Non-removable Li-Ion 2330 mAh battery
Xperia TX: Li-Ion 1750 mAh battery
You were saying? |
reeflotz
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BTW Xperia Go uses Li-Po batteries, Gsmarena battery info on Go is wrong, I know because I have already disassembled my Go, in which I was surprised with a  branded Li-po battery  . (and if you google image battery for Go you'll see Li-Po battery) As for the case of S, Z and TX they do use Li-ion.
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ok, looks like Gsmarena info on S, Z TX battery is wrong too, it uses Li-Po as halim2k has stated, the recycle icon with Li-ion written on it is quite misleading.
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MartenR
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
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Does anyone have information any about Honami's availability? G2 is rumored to be available world wide and on more than 100 carriers just one month after announcement if Sony doesn't launch Honami as fast I think Sony will loose the fight before it even gets into the game. |
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Posted: 2013-07-28 15:04
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