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Neekos
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Hi fetzi. I hope I've understood your post correctly. Please excuse me if I've misunderstood.
Wether God chooses to know or not, I think the issue here is that WE do actually determine OUR outcome. While I know I have a choice, I then have to decide to make the right choice.
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BTW fetzi, could you explain what you mean by the following:
according to "the book" you donīt have to believe in itself - but at least at the end of your life you have to believe in god..
Thanks
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fetzi
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@sammy boy: I mean not to believe that my live is predetermined - did I exaggerate word-funding a bit too much? 
@neekos
Think youīve understood; but I wonīt discuss it the way how I live - itīs more the interesting conflict in anylising. God is almighty - thatīs christian belief. If god is almighty, he must (or at least could) know everything. That encloses past and future. So he knows my future. If my future is known, it is some kind of predetermined. Thatīs only logical, isnīt it?
getting on the edge
(nevertheless - understanding god would mean beeing god)
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@neekos: I do not know any saying in the bible that you have to believe in the bible itself - itīs just that you have to believe in god. And even 'sinners' will be forgiven if they start believing at the end of their lives..
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Neekos
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@fetzi
I see where you are coming from. I wans't trying to personalise my answer to the way you live or anything. You do make an noteworthy comment that if we understood everthing then we would be God!! I feel that the issue with determination that you mention lies in the fact that we don't know what our outcome is. Even if God knows our end, we still detemrine it, and its because of the awesomeness of God (IMO) that He is able to know the end of something that is determined by my actions and my free will. As I'm only human I'll have to leave the understanding of that to God!
Nice talking (posting!) with you all.
What do you think @Sammy_boy?
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fetzi
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sorry, wrong expression; by 'I' - I didnīt mean myself especially but I wanted to clearify the two ways of our discussion - the 'personal predetermination (or not)' on the one and the omnipotence on the other hand
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Neekos
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Thanks for the clarification @fetzi (never done the smiley thing before!)
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ADT0079
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Religon is the root of all evil.
But everyone has there choice.i choose not to beleive in god.
Ps: why aren't dinosaures mentioned in the bible ? Or did they never really exist?
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fetzi
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What was to be expected from someone who calls the US the 'SUPREMACY'.
But I wonīt mislead this thread.
Nevertheless the bible is a book from humans for humans, containing important narrations from a specified period of time - long after the dinosaurs (and centuries before the funding of US, btw).
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ADT0079
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God created this world so dont you think he would have mentioned
Something about a 40 plus foot animale
Anyways i think the bible was wrote to have moral laws and a way to govern people.
If you do beleive great. But no i can do right without religion. It seems to only create problems.
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fetzi
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'Guns donīt kill people - itīs people killing people'
God, I hate this f***ing saying. But nevertheless is comparable to religion. As long as you live it for yourself, and maybe also try to convince someone - but without any pressure - fine. But religion has
been always kind of 'opium for the masses' and therefore an easy way to gain power. And what people are willing to do to gain power is sufficiently known..
The only immovable statement of mine regarding religion is - there must be one/something. Whether you call it Allah, God, the spirit or else - doesnīt mind if youīre lucky with it (and donīt bother your fellow men).
But I really canīt understand people who do believe that thereīs nothing. I mean, back to big bang theory - where does it all come from?
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The only immovable statement of mine regarding religion is - there must be one/something.
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Why?
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Where does it all come from? Where will it all go? Where is it all now?
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fetzi
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I got an answer to this - do you?
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absinthebri
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No, I have no answer. It's never seemed a particularly relevant line of questioning to me.
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fetzi
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Then - in best missionary's tradition - what is life all about? and why bothering and for what on earth? Is there any other reason to live life itself than for having personal fun to you? Not that it is also a way, but I donīt like the thought of all beeing 'senseless' or only 'sensitive' as an end in itself..
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