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MarkOng
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Don't you just hate these people...?
 
 
 
 
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riflogic
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Yeah I hate that we have to wait for handsets like these |
yapliren
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japan phone got one common disadvantage. It is all of them also have external antena. Maybe this is a "must" for their network. |
Dagger
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hey, don't hate these peope because they're good at what they do. 
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MarkOng
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I really dun mind the antenna. But we won't be seeing them. They are only suited for the networks in japan. Non compatible out of the country. Damn...
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Ruvjet
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Another funny thing is, those phones are ALL over a year old. The second and the third with headphones came out in November/December 2000!
Sony are not the big draw for mobiles in Japan, all manufacturers make phones that look like that. They are one of the few (only) manucacturers that have yet to release a camera phone in the market on either of the networks they make phones for (AU & DoCoMo), I think it might be because they feel it would hurt their Digital Camera sales. I cant think of another reason.. |
MarkOng
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Yes. Those are au and docomo phones, manufactured by sony and are at least a year old. But they boast high definition colour, support mp3 playback, web browser and advanced games. As for the camera, many phones do have them but not there particular models.
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Deltayoda
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Yuck, flipflop, and they look large. |
Ruvjet
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As for the camera, many phones do have them but not there particular models.
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At the last count every major Japanese manucacturer, and even some minor ones had camera phones.
NEC (J-N05, N251i)
Panasonic (J-P51, P2101v, P751v)
Sharp (J-SH06, J-SH07, J-SH08, J-SH51, J-SH09, J-SH52, SH251i)
Sanyo (A1014ST, A3015SA, J-SA03 (which Nokia sold under their own brand, as J-NM01))
Mitsubishi (D251i, J-D06)
Fujitsu (F251i)
Toshiba (J-T51, J-T07, A5301T)
Casio (A3012CA)
Kyocera (A1013K)
Kenwood (J-K51)
That is over 25 camera phones on the market, many of which can send video clips with sound, but none from the worlds largest electronics firm on their home territory.
Does anyone know the reason for this? |
panda
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In Japan, mobile phone networks decide what specification they want from handsets. Manufacturers only produce handsets that will match the required spec for the particular network. This is why NTTDoCoMo phones are incompatible with J-phone/Vodafone, despite both of them utilising the same PDC network. So, if a non-Japanese manufacturer wants to sell a handset there, it has to produce a handset that will only be sold in Japan and only through one network. Unless you are really committed to the Japanese market, you would not do that. You just won't make profits. Nokia and Motorola used to produce handsets in japan, but their activities are now diminished.
Things will be changed soon, however, because Vodafone has moved into Japanese market. They changed their 3G spec so that it can match the rest of the world. They have ordered handsets from Nokia and Motorola. You will be able to swap SIM cards with any GSM/W-CDMA handset you get outside Japan. This means manufacturers do not have to produce anything specifically for Japan (apart from the Japanese language software). NTTDoCoMo has not done that. They only use NEC, Panasonic, Mitsubishi and Sharp. Indeed, FOMA network is not compatible with 3G spec you get ourside Japan.
I think this is the reason why we see so few non-Japanese manufacturers there. |
rob
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Those phones wont come to the european market. They were made for the asian market, so those in this forom who seems to worry that SonyEricsson will start developing phones like that for the european market. donīt worry! |
Ruvjet
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NTTDoCoMo phones are incompatible with J-phone/Vodafone, despite both of them utilising the same PDC network.
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I believe they use different frequencies. DoCoMo use 800mhz, J-phone use 1500mhz
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NTTDoCoMo has not done that. They only use NEC, Panasonic, Mitsubishi and Sharp.
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A FOMA handset from Toshiba (T2101V) will be released next week. And a Foma handset from Fujitsu (F2051V) has just been approved by JATE.
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I think this is the reason why we see so few non-Japanese manufacturers there.
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But Sonyericcsons Japanese operation HAS released handsets since the merger, meaning deals with networks are still in place. They have released 2 handsets for KDDI/AU, the C1002S and the A3014S. There is still no adequate reason why they have not released a camera phone for DoCoMo's i-shot service (So251i?), or for AU's CDMA 1x service. |
Hasse
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@ruvjet.
could u post some pics of some new phone which we haven't seen that would be great!!
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Cophia
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We will be having phones like those before the end of this month. The Panasonic GD-87 (brilliant) and one from Sharp. Both have cameras and 65k colours unlike Nokia's 4096 and screens no smaller (bigger in the case of the Panasonic, in resolution as well) than the Nokia 7650.
Panasonic GD-87:
http://www.imobile.com.au/images/future/jun02/panasonic_gd87close.jpg
http://www.imobile.com.au/images/future/jun02/panasonic_gd88.jpg
Although they will not be W-CDMA, they will be GSM/GPRS. The Japanese phones are W-CDMA only.
You will see U.K. operators moving away from generic phones that can be used by all operators, to operator specific machines that are especially tuned to the requirements of an operator. Making (like Japan) services more reliable because it will be specifically programmed to the operator's hardware.
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Ruvjet
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@ruvjet.
could u post some pics of some new phone which we haven't seen that would be great!!
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Ok, but I hope this post won't get moved to the 'Other Manufacturers' forum.
This is the sort of phone that Sonyericsson should be aiming for when it comes to replacing T68i
Toshiba A5301T
comes out this week on AU's 3G network.
119g
standby 200hrs
talktime 160 mins.
262k TFT colour screen.
65k colour external display (so u dont have to open the phone to take pics/ shoot video clips.)
310k pixel camera.
Java.
shoots pics in VGA quality, video clips up to 15 secs with sound.
SD memory card slot.
40 poly ringtones.
144kbps download speed CDMA2000 1x
GPS module.
sharp J-SH52
Out next week for J-phones 2.5G network.
106g
350 hours standby.
65k colour screen
65k colour external display.
shoots 5 second video clips.
310k pixel camera.
7 colour 'mobile light' for low-light pictures.
SD memory card slot.
Java.
40 poly ringtones.
28.8k packet transmission via PDC.
plays mp3 with supplied headphones and optical lead.
Sanyo A3015SA.
Out later this month for Au's 3G network.
Out later this month for Au's 3G network.
65k TFT screen
256 stn external display
310k pixel camera
'mobile light' for shooting in low light conditions.
144kbps packet download speed
GPS module
40 poly ringtones.
probably more but I forget.
You like?
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