| Author |
Polyphonic sound quality ! |
thescorrpion
Joined: Mar 07, 2003
Posts: 137
From: Mumbai, India ..
PM |
I just happened to see the Nokia 3650 and YUCK ! the sound was really dirrrty as compared to my T300 . i transferred my tones onto it and heard and it was sounding really slick . Now wat i wanted to know whether all sony ericsson phones with polyphonic tones sound like the T300 ? or does it sound like the Nokia's ? I also sent both nokia and sony ericsson an email and asked them the no of instruments both can play, it was 12 instruments for both 3650 and T300 , so why does the Nokia sound bad ?
Ok so the scorpion stings, I DONT !!! |
|
|
demon106
Joined: Apr 17, 2003
Posts: 193
PM |
The quality varies between SE phones.
The P800 has REALLY poor polyphonics as standard. So much so it was laughable. Luckily someone has recently released a much higher quality set of MIDI samples for the phone.
The T610s polyphonics are the best I've heard on any phone. Crispy and clear. You can't appreciate polyphonics until you hear a T610.
Andy |
chillywillypenguin
Joined: Jan 19, 2003
Posts: 38
From: Surrey, UK
PM |
Yeah I agree.....the T610's polys are much crisper and, more importantly, louder than other SE phones. Much louder than my T300...so you can actually hear them when you are out and about.
They feel like they have more force behind them. |
arus
Joined: Jul 09, 2002
Posts: 265
PM |
The most fidelity poly sound i ve ever heard is come from samsung v200.
This message was posted from a Nokia |
vampyriaerotica
Joined: Jan 11, 2003
Posts: 341
From: MYS > London, UK
PM |
Demon,
Can you tell us (pls pm me) from where you can get those quality tones for P800 you mentioned! I think all lot of us don't know or aware of the sources here.
Thanks. |
FRiC
Joined: Mar 27, 2003
Posts: 123
PM |
It's all in the instrument samples. As you probably know, unlike MP3 or WAV files where the sound is digitized, MIDI only stores the value of the note and how it should be played, while the playback device takes care of how the instruments must sound. So MP3/WAV takes megabytes, while a comparable MIDI file only takes a few hundred K. But this also means MIDI music will only sound "correct" if it's played back on the same device that it was recorded on!
MIDI sounds so good on the SE phones because the samples are high quality, and they sound almost exactly the same as on Roland synthesizers. Since many musicians use Roland, the tunes automatically sound good on SE phones. Nokia 3650/7650's samplse are licensed from Beatnik and sound considrably different from the Roland, which throws the tunes off. Notice that this also means if a tune is written specifically for Nokia, then it will be off if played on an SE phone. (And no, you can't tell just by looking at the MIDI file for which device it was optimized for unless the author put in comments.)
On many MIDI devices it's possible to replace the built-in samples with higher quality or custom samples. As mentioned above this is possible with the P800.
Sorry for the long post.
|
royalty
Joined: Aug 11, 2002
Posts: 459
From: SaudiArabia
PM, WWW
|
the t610 original midi's are very cool and loud , but if you try to download regular 32 chord midis its not that good ...or is it just me ! |
Miss UK
Joined: Jan 11, 2003
Posts: > 500
PM |
The Siemens S55 has really good polys.. And wat else thats good is theres alot free for it on the wap.. I hate the Nokia 7210 ringers there wak lol
This message was posted from a Nokia |
tr1xt3r
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 74
From: makati, philippines
PM |
if you compare the polyphonics of the t610 and the improved
p800, which comes out on top? |
thescorrpion
Joined: Mar 07, 2003
Posts: 137
From: Mumbai, India ..
PM |
Thats really great, im gonna buy a T610 after a few months when i get some cash frm my dad ! So I hope ill also enjoy crispier and louder tones on the T610.
_________________
Ok so the scorpion stings, I DONT !!!
[ This Message was edited by: thescorrpion on 2003-06-05 08:35 ] |
Wyvern
Joined: Feb 12, 2003
Posts: 43
PM |
Summing it all up, the concept is fairly simple.
look @ nokia's polytones.
how many instruments @ once? FOUR actaully, THREE. the last channel is stricly for percussion.
can it play midi? NO! NONONONONO! except for maybe those four tone ones.
Nokia's polyspeakers are not meant for midi. coz the quality SUCKS. its meant to play .mmf files, which are strictly miditones for nokia. not to mention the old samsungs. not too sure about the newer samsungs though.
look @ SE's polytones.
how many instruments 2 once? 32.
can it play midi? yes. oh, and .mmf too.
and the supported instruments are far more than nokia's. makes it sounds like its being played on a pc.
=D |
orange
Joined: Mar 13, 2002
Posts: 397
PM |
Quote:
|
On 2003-06-05 14:01:09, Wyvern wrote:
look @ nokia's polytones.
how many instruments @ once? FOUR actaully, THREE.
|
|
This is device specific: polyphony level in Nokia phones varies from 4 to 24. One MIDI track can include up to 65 diffrent instruments.
Quote:
|
can it play midi? NO! NONONONONO! except for maybe those four tone ones.
|
|
Yes, Nokia MIDI capable phones play standard GM1 and SP-MIDI files.
Quote:
|
Nokia's polyspeakers are not meant for midi. coz the quality SUCKS. its meant to play .mmf files, which are strictly miditones for nokia.
|
|
Nokia doesn't support .mmf.
Quote:
|
...
and the supported instruments are far more than nokia's. makes it sounds like its being played on a pc.
|
|
Supported instruments are not specified by Nokia or SE, but MMA. Nokia phones comply GM1 instrument bank. And as far as I know, so does SE.
|
wrath000
Joined: May 14, 2003
Posts: > 500
From: Norway
PM |
To compose high quality ring tones, one should have the original sound banks for the target phone, or at least know the correct MIDI mappings. It is best to have the original sound banks, because then you can preview the melody exactly as it will sound on the phone.
[ This Message was edited by: wrath000 on 2003-06-05 13:57 ] |
fractal_postal
Joined: Jun 02, 2003
Posts: 4
From: UK
PM |
wrath000
So how do we get hold of the sound banks for a target phone? Does SE publish them?
Can you recommend a good (free) midi composer? I've just bought a T610 and would like to compose some of my own ringtones. |
wrath000
Joined: May 14, 2003
Posts: > 500
From: Norway
PM |
I am actually on the lookout for the soundbanks myself. The actual instrument mappings are published in the T610 whitepaper. So if the use the original Roland General MIDI wavetables it's just to extract the intstruments from there. However I don't know who's wavetables they use.
It's really not that important to have the exact same wavetables unless you want a perfect duplicate of the T610 sound on the PC (which sure helps when you are making music)
So, if you read the instrument maps in the White Paper, you are well on your way.
As for MIDI composer, I use qbase which is neither simple nor free, but it's a very powerfull sequencer. You can check out http://www.maz-sound.com/ Probably find something you can use there. |
|
|
Posted: 2003-06-04 20:56
