Posted by whizkidd
When will all this stop.
. Atleast 80 are reported dead. Attacks occured in a bustling resort. MORONS. 
Posted by mrao
More news
Toll climbs in Egyptian attacks
The attacks happened at the height of the tourist season
At least 88 people have been killed in bomb attacks in the Egyptian resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, hospital staff say.
Some 200 more were injured in the blasts last night. The first, in the Old Market, was followed by two more in Naama Bay, where a hotel was badly hit.
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak vowed to continue the "battle with terrorism" as he visited the sites of the attacks, the worst in Egypt's recent history.
Most of the dead are Egyptians, but foreigners are among the victims too.
A 34-year-old Italian man on his honeymoon and a Czech citizen have been confirmed dead, and at least 20 of those injured are thought to be foreign.
Clues
The blasts come less than a year after 34 people died in an attack further north in the Sinai Peninsula.
Egyptian Interior Minister Habib al-Adli condemned what he called an "ugly act of terrorism" and said police were following leads.
Click here to see a map of the attacks
"We have some clues, especially about the car that was exploded in the Old Market, and investigators are pursuing," Associated Press news agency quoted him as saying.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, on a visit to neighbouring Israel, denounced "the horrific terrorist bombings". She vowed that Egypt and the US "will confront and defeat this scourge that knows no boundary and respects no creed".
'Rammed hotel'
The blasts came within minutes of each other, shortly after 0100 local time (2200 GMT), when the bars and markets were busy. This flaming mass flew over my head, faster than a torpedo
Mursi Gaber
Eyewitness
Rush to leave resort
In pictures: Egypt blasts
In the most devastating attack, a bomber rammed his car into Ghazala Gardens Hotel, according to an eyewitness.
"A suicide car bomber forced the barrier at the entrance of the hotel. A member of the security staff tried to stop him but he sped towards the reception and there was a huge explosion," an unnamed hotel employee told AFP news agency.
Parts of the front walls of the hotel collapsed, trapping people under the rubble.
A few hundred metres away, a bomb went off in a car park near the Moevenpick Hotel and popular nightlife spots, causing widespread damage and casualties.
In the Old Market area blast, about four kilometres (2.5 miles) away, 17 people - believed to be Egyptian workers - were killed as they gathered at a street cafe, rescue officials said. We heard a huge bang and saw a gust of black smoke over Old Sharm
Lisa Keany
Blasts: Were you there?
Holidaymakers' horror
"This flaming mass flew over my head, faster than a torpedo and plunged into the water," Mursi Gaber, who was working on a nearby beach when the blast happened, told AP.
"There were body parts all over the steps down to the beach."
Sabina Salvatore, an Italian diving instructor, was on a boat at the time of the blasts.
"Suddenly we looked at Old Sharm and we saw this fire coming up and after this fire some sounds... an explosion and then more fire and everything was shaking," she told the BBC News website.
"After this bomb, silence, then a lot of people screaming."
'Mass hysteria'
Witnesses said there was pandemonium as dazed and shocked tourists fled to safety.
"We went outside on to the street where we were met with hundreds of people running and screaming in all directions," British tourist, Fabio Basone, told the BBC.
British policeman Charlie Ives was in a cafe about 50 metres (160ft) away from where two explosions went off.
"The whole area was quickly covered in debris. There was a huge ball of smoke that mushroomed up. It was mass hysteria," he told the BBC.
Speaking after touring the bomb sites, President Mubarak said the "cowardly, criminal act" would "only increase our determination in chasing terrorism, cornering it and uprooting it".
"Our battle with terrorism will continue with all the strength, resolve and will that we have," he added.
Tourism fears
In a statement posted on an Islamic website, a group calling itself the Abdullah Azzam Brigades, al-Qaeda, in Syria and Egypt, said it carried out the bombings, the AP news agency reported, although the claim has not been verified.
The bombings happened at the height of the summer tourist season in Sharm al-Sheikh, and coincided with an extended holiday weekend to mark the anniversary of the 1952 Egyptian revolution.
It was the first such attack since last October, when 34 people died in car and truck bomb attacks at Red Sea resorts on the eastern coast of the Sinai Peninsula.
The previous worst attack in Egypt occurred in 1997, when Islamic militants killed 58 foreign tourists and four Egyptians near the southern city of Luxor.
Tourism is Egypt's most lucrative industry, worth about $6.6bn a year.
Posted by max99
i sooo wish they wud stop
Posted by 02
tats worse than london terror...
Posted by amnesia
NOW let someone say that it's Arabs or Muslims attacking the west.
Posted by PeterKay
true.
Posted by axxxr
Maybe now its time that the U.S withdraws from Iraq and a Independent Palestine created.....Until that happenes im sure we will continue to see many more such attacks.... 50 to a 100 people die in Iraq every single day and no one bats an eye lid....but when it happens on our doorstep we start complaining muslim terrorists blah blah blah....Don't forget its the U.S that started this snowball..It will have to be them who have to stop it!
Posted by vanquish
Who said it was the US' fault.
Posted by axxxr
The U.S invasion of Iraq the U.S support of Israel.....in the end its U.S that is responsible for all terrorism....you can't invade a sovereign and not expect them to get you back in some way.
Posted by lazn
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LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLL mate .... you don't know what you're talking about ....
when the "Independent Palestine" will have their own independence ..
there will be so many attacks on israel ... & most probably ... a war between the two countries will break ...
+ i don't think US should leave iraq ... & you know why ??? just think .... think ... what will happen if the US of A wont help the iraqian ppl to develop a stable & a normal government this place is gonna turn apart coz all the other musilm countries will invade them
& you know why all these ppl are dieing .. ???? you need a clue coz i think you're dreaming !!! these pplz are a militia members !!! any resistance will make a disorder & unstable peace in the entire area ..
i think these stupid terroirst should die !!!! & now !!!
& pplz ..... don't be blind plz .... !!!! it is all clear & known that the alqaida does this shit .. so ... saying i wish it would stop ... won't do a thing ... WE MUST ACT NOW !!
or you're country will be slaughtered !!!!
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Posted by NicholG
You may think that it is the U.S that is responsible for all terrorism but bear in mind when 9/11 occured they were not in Iraq or Afghanistan, they entered after. Now i do not condone the U.S being in Iraq but your statement is not 100% correct.
Posted by whizkidd
Today its the us on whom they blame it all, tomorrow it will be something else. And i fail to understand what connection do people enjoying a holiday in Egypt have to do with U.S policies in iraq. The truth is, these people will always find an excuse to justify these cowardly acts. I think, even if the Us pulls out of iraq these things won't stop. Maybe they will decrease a bit but it won't stop. Its the mindset of these brainwashed idiots that have to be changed the U.S is secondary.
Posted by peeta
the US have propped up dictators and crushed democracy in the middle east for decades. Iraq was one more bloody act of US interference in that region to secure its own interests, one that has predictably backfired.
why egypt? a lot of Isrealis holiday there and Egypt has been given a lot of "aid" by the US over the past few years.
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Posted by mustafabay
Thank you lazn for branding me and every other muslim as a terrorist. You know that there about 1 billion of us and if we were all terrorists then this world would've been long gone. On the other hand thank you to any one who has anything positive to say on the matter. We almost had a nail bomb attack today, luckly the only person hurt was the terrorist.
Posted by amnesia
@lazn, you're obviously not open minded.
First of all, why should America decide how Iraq should evolve. I take it that the US was always the way it was? NO! There was alot of racism (still is), alot of development (still is) etc... So why can't Iraq be left free to develop the way it is.
You know and I know that if a contract or agreement was made that the US may not take ANY advantage from Iraq or it's neighbouring countries Oil, that the US would leave asap.
Now in regards, to the attacks, Palastine just wants independance. You dont know that they will attack Israel even more.
Also, who put most of the Jews into Israel in the first place? Go research which country they were kicked out of.
*sighs*
You can't insinuate that people will do something without giving them a chance at life.
It's like I hold a gun to your head and follow you everywhere saying "dont worry, I'm protecting you from hurting yourself"
It's like that episode in South Park when the police surrounded the house thinking that the party was a mass suicide and the American cop said, Dont worry mam, we'll kill them before they get a chance to commit suicide.
Finally, something that's from my heart,
Lazn, you're an ignorant bastard. You tell us to stop being blind when you think the only way to stop war is with war.
I'm a muslim, I guess I'll be blowing you up now (based on YOUR sayings)
Mods, why dont you delete such a comment *sighs*
Axxxr, good to see you're a good man.
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Posted by solidsingh
lazn your a twat
Posted by mustafabay
@ amnesia . I agree with what you said but I think being polite is the best no matter blind someone is.
Posted by Lynx69
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Muslims and al qaida are different things.
Just because someone is a muslim doesn't mean to say that they are terrorists,they are alqaida, suicide bombers.
Im a Muslim myself and i know for sure that its not like that so get your facts right before you make assumptions, and i agree with amnesia...you are an ignorant twat.
Posted by peeta
i agree on both points.
Posted by gelfen
@lazn: pull your head in mate.
firstly, i want to extend my condolences to the families and friends of those killed in the blast, and to the egyptian nation as a whole.
secondly, i would like to say that while i agree it is ignorant and naive to say that it's "muslims targeting the west", it is just as ignorant and naive to say that terrorists killed innocent egyptian citizens because of the US. there is only one reason why terrorists commit these atrocities, and that is because they are terrorists. there is no greater of lesser reason than that simple truth.
Posted by peeta
Terrorists kill for a reason. To ignore that is dangerous.
Targeting innocent civilians is wrong, whether its suicide bombers or Isreali tanks.
While i support the Palestinian cause i don't support the murder of innocents but i also don't live in fear of my home being bulldozed and my land stolen. If i were in that position i would hope to be strong enough to keep hold of those values.
Posted by amnesia
oh and here's a pm from Lazn
I replied letting him know that it's the most stupidest PM i've ever recieved, as well as letting him know that it seemed to be written by a racist child.
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mmm palastine wasn't a country ... the british was in charge there.. ..
i know so many things that you don't know ... do you know that evry day about 40 missiles hits the israeli teritorry .. ? & it's killing women kids &babies ... did you know that ?!?!?!? i guess not !!
do you know who launches these missiles ??? - NO ... so i'll tell you ..
plastinens citizens launch tose missiles ... BTW these missiles called KASAM
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I guess he doesn't know that alot of Palastinians die as well. Or the latest news which shows that Israel is trying to build a wall to block Palasitinians out...
Posted by gelfen
@peeta: i think there is an important distinction between the reasons they kill and the excuses they give.
if overnight every terrorist group's demands were met (US out of iraq/afghanistan, israel left unsupported, etc.) terrorism would not end. if anything it would get worse because such groups would be encouraged to see their tactics actually working. the only change would be in their excuses. it would go from "we're killing them to achieve X" to "we're killing them to make sure they never do it again", or "to prevent the spread of their corruption", or "because i'm a power-mad SOB who gets off on chaos and violence, and the voices in my head tell me to".
appeasement is not a viable option.
Posted by amnesia
@gelfen, and thats the endless cycle.
In their eyes, they dont want to give up to the US, because the US is the terrorist (I believe that the way their government, they are sneaky terrorists)
You see many say that terrorists will go on making demands if they are met, but how is that known? You can't compare life to movies.
You have to at least test this theory out.
If the terrorists are doing bad things now, and the US leaves Iraq for example, and the terrorists continue to do what they do, what's happened? In the view of terror, everything is still the same, however in the view of the Iraqi people, they've gained a bit of peace.
Do you know what I'm trying to say?
Posted by Aquila
Amnesia, can i ask you how your definition of terrorism is, and do you believe in a kind of peace treaty with elements like al qaida or what they may like to call themself. Would you also consider e.g Hitler as a victim during wwII for US foreign politic. Dont forget that Berlin was ripped apart by bombs back then. When should US interfere in a conflict? Only when somethings threatening europe, like e.g the war on balkan, or also when somethings bad are happening to themself like the 9/11? See my point?
Posted by gelfen
"You see many say that terrorists will go on making demands if they are met, but how is that known? "
there are precedents. i can't think of any off the top of my head but i know they exist. it is akin to blackmail. say you pay a blackmailer $500 to not reveal your secrets, then some time later they will inevitably come by asking for another $500. what do you do then? it's too late to back out since you already gave in the first time.
if nothing else it is human nature, learnt from earliest childhood. behaviour x achieved desired outcome y, therefore to achieve desired outcome z repeat behaviour x.
in any event, not one single nation on earth is prepared to take the risk that any given terrorist group won't stand by their word. the fact that such groups are prepared to deliberately kill innocent civillians tends to limit their credibility somewhat.
Posted by Aquila
I must say that i agree to the things you say Gelfen. And the fact that these fanatics see us in the western part of the world and cultur as pagans doesnīt make them more reliable when it comes to excuses why they want to blow themself up, or among innocent civilians. These elements has proven time after time that they want stop, unless they get stopped. What makes me a bit sick, is to hear people say time after time that USA is the part that commits terror. Start to wonder if the world is about to be a little turned upside down. And the claim that everything is about the jews (israel-palestinian conflict), and that is theire fault.. are we facing a holocoust nr. II, or what happens? Wonder how it must be to be a jude these day. Iīm sure many of them inevitable must be thinking about the WWII, while many people supports the terrorattacs against them, killing their mothers, brothers on so up til these day. Whatever the jews are doing, peacefull or not according to whose to judge, they will always be blamed for something bad in this world. Cant be nice.
Whatever the exuses these fanatics terrorists must have, theire actions can not be accepted, and must be answered in a way they understand. If not, then weīll get hell on earth. Thats for sure.
Posted by peeta
Its more like i'm a 6' tall bodybuilder repeatedly punching a 6 stone weakling but they get a punch through. To which i reply i can't stop hitting them otherwise they have won.
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Very good point.
Posted by amnesia
@aquila,
life is never as easy as just a definition.
You say terrorist, but they say freedom fighter.
It's all in different eyes.
The only way to stop all of this is if other countries stopped butting into others affairs, and simply waited to be asked for assistance, or simply agreeing if their help was rejected.
Posted by Aquila
Well first. I didnīt ask about your opinion of life, but terror. Would you call it a freedom fight, when people blowing themself up among civilians? Wherīs the respect of life?
Second. Yes, do think somtimes its right to interfer in other countries matters. E.g: If England and USA should ask Hitler to help europe during world war II, the answer would be no. And yes, when a nation could be a possible threat to other nations, and decline to cooperate with the rest of the world, like when they throw out the FN, or killing/torturing their own civilians, itīs time to see what theyīre up to.
Have you ever heard about the balkan war? Do you honestly believe that the allied forces who fought against Slobodan Milosevic should have asked him, before they took actions? You must be kidding if so.
Posted by amnesia
Aquila before you post, read what I have to say, take a breather, mull over it and THEN reply.
--Would you call it a freedom fight, when people blowing themself up among civilians? Wherīs the respect of life?
I am not saying what I believe in, I am saying that I can understand both points of views, and the world is split both ways.
--Second. Yes, do think somtimes its right to interfer in other countries matters. E.g: If England and USA should ask Hitler to help europe during world war II, the answer would be no. And yes, when a nation could be a possible threat to other nations, and decline to cooperate with the rest of the world, like when they throw out the FN, or killing/torturing their own civilians, itīs time to see what theyīre up to.
First of all most of the interference shown also shows that at the end of the day nothing was found. There is still nothing found in Iraq, there is still nothing found in Syria. At that time, there was no direct thread from the country. If there was, where is the evidence that there was one? Secondly, if there are terrorists, then those are people responsible for their actions. The country can't be held liable.
If an Arabic country wanted to see what the US or UK was up to because they felt there was a threat, I GUARANTEE you that the two countries would not just lay by.
Whats the difference between our countries and the west? Yours has the right to have weapons, we dont.
---Have you ever heard about the balkan war? Do you honestly believe that the allied forces who fought against Slobodan Milosevic should have asked him, before they took actions? You must be kidding if so.
Again, you seem to be confusing terrorism, with an evil country of dictatorship. If there is one thing I've learned in my law class, it's to find a point and argue it. You are all over the place.
And you've also shown me that if I argue with you, there is no use since you are as close minded as the next extremist.
Posted by Aquila
Chill lady chill
And you've also shown me that if I argue with you, there is no use since you are as close minded as the next extremist.
I see itīs hard for you that people has their opinion about things, and that you donīt like the fact that, theres no way we in the western world can accept terrorism, so how can we see the terrorists point of view? Which view do you have as you do say that you donīt participate with any of the parts (I am not saying what I believe in, I am saying that I can understand both points of views, and the world is split both ways.)
Itīs like you just playing around and with a very serious subject I did ask you about your definition of this word, so reed it in your dictionary. Terror also be commited by evil countries as well.
I also like you to read my posts...and mull. How could we in the western world upfront of the invasion know that Saddam Hussein did not have any of these weapons, especially since he did not fully cooperate? Would you say he wasnīt warned?
Saddam Hussein did commit his crime, an dictatorship which killed, terrorised and spread horror among his own civillian, and espesially the Kurds and the Shiamuslims and which definitive donīt had much weapon.
Furthermore you say: Whats the difference between our countries and the west? Yours has the right to have weapons, we dont.
Not to disappoint you, but our country does not have much weapon, but weīre not up to any scary things anyway. See, we donīt like killing unless we get threaten directly. We also do believe that itīs possible to live in peace side by side, despite of the difference there must be. We can also learn from each other in a peaceful way, like the way you muslim are takin care of your olders and so on. Here in the western world sometimes olders are dying alone in their homes without nobody to care, or they gets put away into an institution.
But ok, as you said, thereīs no reason to argue with me since iīm obviosly an extremist in your eyes, but i wonīt say the same about you. You see it both ways, and does not participate with any of the parts in war against terror. Opinion..hmm???
Posted by Aquila
A little correction: We also do believe that itīs possible to live in peace side by side, despite of the difference there must be, except from commiting terror to gain what you may want.
Posted by amnesia
firstly, I'm not a lady.
Second of all you need to edit your post to show what I'm quoting.
Now for a little explanation
----I see itīs hard for you that people has their opinion about things, and that you donīt like the fact that, theres no way we in the western world can accept terrorism, so how can we see the terrorists point of view?
You see wrong, because if I didn't care about people's opinions I wouldn't be arguing now would I? You HAVE to see the other persons point of view to understand the situation otherwise you're going into a blind fight.
----Which view do you have as you do say that you donīt participate with any of the parts
I said ""(I am not saying what I believe in, I am saying that I can understand both points of views, and the world is split both ways.)" I stick by what I said, you really need to try to re-read what I said. Any third party want to tell me if I said I dont participate with any parts? I think it's the contrary. I am not one sided.
---Itīs like you just playing around and with a very serious subject I did ask you about your definition of this word, so reed it in your dictionary. Terror also be commited by evil countries as well.
I also like you to read my posts...and mull. How could we in the western world upfront of the invasion know that Saddam Hussein did not have any of these weapons, especially since he did not fully cooperate? Would you say he wasnīt warned?
Now you need to provide me with better retorts than repeating what I said back to me, because I wouldn't say it, if I hadn't already done it myself. I dont want to say something stupid but you have a few spelling mistakes.
Man YES terror is committed by evil countries.
But we need to look at this in two parts. First of all, by you saying evil countries, it shows that you are prejudice to a country rather than the government or specific people that enoke terror.
Secondly, we are NOT talking about countries in this thread, we are talking about specific individuals that just 'happen' to come from a certain country.
But to answer you questions you asked me anyway. Lets put it in basic childs perspectives. If I'm in my area and you ask me if I have a bomb and I say no, then you try to force into my area and check, you are calling me a liar, and so I will not want to cooperate. It's about sociology and psychology as well.
--Saddam Hussein did commit his crime, an dictatorship which killed, terrorised and spread horror among his own civillian, and espesially the Kurds and the Shiamuslims and which definitive donīt had much weapon.
As a half Arab myself, yes I have resentment for Saddam, but Islam teaches us to be forgiving. Look at the Middle East, there are no problems with the countries we fought with in the Gulf War. We stand united now. Plus you've just switched the subject to Saddam.
Guys does anyone see us jumping from subject to subject here?
---Not to disappoint you, but our country does not have much weapon, but weīre not up to any scary things anyway. See, we donīt like killing unless we get threaten directly.
How do we know that? Maybe a few countries should invade and check it out (see how that twisted around?)
-- We also do believe that itīs possible to live in peace side by side, despite of the difference there must be. We can also learn from each other in a peaceful way, like the way you muslim are takin care of your olders and so on. Here in the western world sometimes olders are dying alone in their homes without nobody to care, or they gets put away into an institution.
I dont understand which point you are arguing here. Because I do agree that Muslims help each other and the Wests attitude to people and the family has become very cold.
---But ok, as you said, thereīs no reason to argue with me since iīm obviosly an extremist in your eyes, but i wonīt say the same about you. You see it both ways, and does not participate with any of the parts in war against terror. Opinion..hmm???
You just said that I shouldn't argue with you, but you notice you asked me a ton of questions. Did you intend for them to go blank?
I can do that if you dont want an answer. Also, again, WHO said I dont support ANTi-terrorism. You seriously need to stop guessing and see the facts, both with this thread and with life.
(you're probably going to just say this is not about life again, but I'm talking about life, I'm talking about you broadening your perspective)
Posted by Aquila
First, excuse me for my though of you being a lady. So therefor, chill man chill as i can see youīre about to be very upset because youīre trying to attaching me instead of the subject(s):D
Some errors yes, but not everybody in here has english as their mother language just to broaden your perspective a little. And itīs hardly the subject here. Just ask if thereīs something you donīt understand. I do want you to replay my threads, but was you who said there was not any point of arguing with me. It may be that you have a little problem to conserve things you are saying, but i can live with that until a reasonable limit. I also noticed that you wanted some help from a third part for our conversation about what you say or not. Thatīs good. Maybe someone do comes to your assistance, so that you not feel that your are gotten fooled by me about what you said or didnīt
A little quote again since you want to correct me about the meaning of this thread:
You wrote: In their eyes, they dont want to give up to the US, because the US is the terrorist (I believe that the way their government, they are sneaky terrorists).
Maybe pink panther wrote this without you noticing, as a little child perspective.
(US) and (USA) are both usually used as an abbreviation for United States of America, and itīs a democratic civilized country, and which doesnīt send suicide-bombers around the world, or hazzle other countries unless themselves are being hazzled with.
More child perspective: You got to learn to live with it, and learn to live with it if your opponent are stronger than you.
If i slap a bigger guy in his face and he responses and hits me back, i would have to accept it, without blowing his family or him to smithereens. I just have to accept it as a result of my own action. Thatīs the way of life, sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose. Not that I'm sure, but doesnīt the Koran say something like, you must never loose as a man, or if your enemy makes you loose face, you have to fight him by any means?
If so, i dont think the more moderate Muslims would take this to literarily, but i do think the more extreme would, and thatīs why we have these terror-nets that will never stop, until theyīre stopped. Thereīs always something to revenge in this world, for those who doesnīt learn that you can not always be on top of everything.
Answer to your child perspective, and hope you dont take it to personally.
Yes little Tommy boy, as childs learns from each-other, and some of his friends just blew themselves up with bombs, we would like to know if you are up to the same idea upfront to avoid it from happening to you. Despite the fact that you may be a little sad since you cannot have it your way if thatīs so. So unfortunately, you just have to be a little angry.
Was this any helpful to you?
It is, and has always been some differences between countries and groups of people that has to be solved, but suicide-bombings are not the answer, and can not be understood.
You also said that muslim forgives. Yes, they forgive each other, and live happily ever after until next time theyīre out for another raw. Thatīs the part which is difficult to accept, in other words we dont want here in europe, and i do think Egypt and many other muslim countries takes distance from this way of living as well. Many muslims are also longing for peace and democracy in Iraq. Hopefully, many more of you in the future can study laws and whatever instead of hazzle with this caveman osama bin laden. A great step up in the evolution, just like the IRA her in europe whose laying down their weapons these days.
If our country was locked up against the world society, we would be happy if someone came for a little check now and then. But weīre not, and most countries, which has to know, knows our arsenal of weapons. As a member of NATO and FN as well, we have quite frequent military excersises and drilling with our allied countries.
I do think we can agree that the muslims are taking better care of their own, and that our western countries has became cold. But thats not any reasons to warm us up with suicide-bombers. So letīs hope that the world society someday can manage to crush the terror-cells and that we someday can live in peace as reasonable civilized peoples, and exchange more positive and peaceful knowledge from each-other
Posted by amnesia
screw it. you guess too much.
---First, excuse me for my though of you being a lady. So therefor, chill man chill as i can see youīre about to be very upset because youīre trying to attaching me instead of the subject(s):D
No need to say Chill because I'm stressed. And I've not attacked you at all. So as you have just proven what I said, You do Guess and insinuate too much.
---Some errors yes, but not everybody in here has english as their mother language just to broaden your perspective a little.
Oh really? Perhaps you skimmed over the part where I said I'm half Arab.
--- And itīs hardly the subject here. Just ask if thereīs something you donīt understand. I do want you to replay my threads, but was you who said there was not any point of arguing with me. It may be that you have a little problem to conserve things you are saying, but i can live with that until a reasonable limit.
I dont like these games, because first this is not your thread. It's Whizzkids. Second how about this. DONT reply to my posts. Lets see how that works out. Bring in ANYONE into this thread and they will agree that what I wrote is understandable and in a normal tone.
--I also noticed that you wanted some help from a third part for our conversation about what you say or not. Thatīs good. Maybe someone do comes to your assistance, so that you not feel that your are gotten fooled by me about what you said or didnīt
I want a third party to neutrally assess the fact that I am not biased, not to join my side.
---A little quote again since you want to correct me about the meaning of this thread:
You wrote: In their eyes, they dont want to give up to the US, because the US is the terrorist (I believe that the way their government, they are sneaky terrorists).
Maybe pink panther wrote this without you noticing, as a little child perspective.
If you noticed, I added that it was directed to the government, whereas YOU directed to a country which includes all its people. And if you DIDN'T mean that, you should have been clearer.
--(US) and (USA) are both usually used as an abbreviation for United States of America, and itīs a democratic civilized country, and which doesnīt send suicide-bombers around the world, or hazzle other countries unless themselves are being hazzled with.
Thanks for that, but i could care less about the US.
China is a well progressing country at the moment, that used to believe in communism (where as some say they still do) it is believed that they try to control their population by limiting births and making laws which make payment for additional children necessary.
You provide information in an arrogant tone. Let me add that the country doesn't have anything to do with what the people do, although it COULD influence it. You have implied that other countries are not civilized and democratic, and no other countries dont have suicide bombers. Look at Pakistan, India, Egypt, Japan.
Ignorance *sighs*
--More child perspective: You got to learn to live with it, and learn to live with it if your opponent are stronger than you.
If i slap a bigger guy in his face and he responses and hits me back, i would have to accept it, without blowing his family or him to smithereens.
LOL! So once someone is better that you, you just bow down? I dont think so, I try to get stronger if he pushes me around and then fight back. If I smash you in the face I'll be you wont accept it.
You just something that contradicts what you said. Learn to live with? Ok, learn to live with the bombers.
I just have to accept it as a result of my own action. Thatīs the way of life, sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose. Not that I'm sure, but doesnīt the Koran say something like, you must never loose as a man, or if your enemy makes you loose face, you have to fight him by any means?
If so, i dont think the more moderate Muslims would take this to literarily, but i do think the more extreme would, and thatīs why we have these terror-nets that will never stop, until theyīre stopped. Thereīs always something to revenge in this world, for those who doesnīt learn that you can not always be on top of everything.
Answer to your child perspective, and hope you dont take it to personally.
Yes little Tommy boy, as childs learns from each-other, and some of his friends just blew themselves up with bombs, we would like to know if you are up to the same idea upfront to avoid it from happening to you. Despite the fact that you may be a little sad since you cannot have it your way if thatīs so. So unfortunately, you just have to be a little angry.
Was this any helpful to you?
--It is, and has always been some differences between countries and groups of people that has to be solved, but suicide-bombings are not the answer, and can not be understood.
I never said it was, and suicide is against Islam. If you can't understand why they do it though, it's because you are not empathizing and not trying to understand.
---You also said that muslim forgives. Yes, they forgive each other, and live happily ever after until next time theyīre out for another raw.
evidence? At least we try. Look at the yearly prejudice between Japan and China, UK and France, Germans and Russians. The world and US.
---Thatīs the part which is difficult to accept, in other words we dont want here in europe, and i do think Egypt and many other muslim countries takes distance from this way of living as well.
You are not clear in this. Take distance from what? No wait, don't answer, as I said I dont want an reply from you to my post.
---Many muslims are also longing for peace and democracy in Iraq.
They want it, but not at the expense at being used by the US.
--Hopefully, many more of you in the future can study laws and whatever instead of hazzle with this caveman osama bin laden. A great step up in the evolution, just like the IRA her in europe whose laying down their weapons these days.
I am currenty a Law Student in the University of Essex.
I specifically studying, Constitutional Law, International Law, and Contract Law. Foot in your mouth?
Again you are insulting my people by saying we are all uneducated, by saying that, you are proving YOU are uneducated.
---If our country was locked up against the world society, we would be happy if someone came for a little check now and then. But weīre not, and most countries, which has to know, knows our arsenal of weapons. As a member of NATO and FN as well, we have quite frequent military excersises and drilling with our allied countries.
At the end of the day, the country is its own and can do what they want within it. Thats why there are country laws, and borders.
And it's not the right of the US to decide that it will be the world police.
--I do think we can agree that the muslims are taking better care of their own, and that our western countries has became cold. But thats not any reasons to warm us up with suicide-bombers.
You combined two totally difference subjects here. PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT! It's like talking to 10 different people with different thoughts. American people are good at Capitalizing an industry but thats not a reason for oranges to grow in Africa.
--So letīs hope that the world society someday can manage to crush the terror-cells and that we someday can live in peace as reasonable civilized peoples, and exchange more positive and peaceful knowledge from each-other
Yes, lets do hope that. But lets hope that each country will respect the other. And the US will stop fighting for OIL.
Having said that, lets also hope that money isn't needed anymore.
Again, please dont reply to my post.
i'm saving this thread to show my American Consitutional Professor. I'll bet he'll have a right field day.
Posted by Aquila
Lol.. in my whole life, i have never read so much rubbish in my whole life as "especially" your last post, so ok... as you wish. i wont replay, even though i could want som concrete evidence about where you was implying that the USA are stealing oil from Iraq. But you donīt have to... itīs all a guess after all.
Good luck to you in your future profession, which i "guess" will be high tempered.. a good condition for the future democracy from your point of view...as i know you by now.
And excuse me, it was not my intention to shake you up this much.
Posted by carkitter
Phew!
Such long posts in pigeon english are hard work to read, remember that guys.
My condolences to the families of the victims in Egypt.
I was impressed by News footage on TV showing Egyptian citizens protesting in the streets, denouncing the bombings and the terrorists.
It's good to know that Egyptians and Westerner's stand together in defiance of terror.
I heard a very interesting opinion by an expert speaking on Radio NZ.
He said that the terrorist's were trying to create division between Muslims and the West. By causing a them and us attitude world-wide they hope to start a world war. They want an anti-muslim backlash to motivate Muslims living in the West to see themselves as fighting religious oppression.
The best way to defeat the terrorists is for Muslims an Westerners to stand together, to cooperate in investigating the bombings and bring the perpetrators and conspirators to justice.
Westerners targeting muslim groups are just playing into the terrorists hands as are muslims and liberal peaceniks who call for the U.S. to withdraw form Iraq.
And lay off Lazn. What he's seen, none of us would want to see.
Posted by Aquila
Me as well, i want to send my condolence to all the victims and their families.
I also agree that the world has to stand together against the terror, and despite whoīs committing it, what culture considered.
Posted by amnesia
you dont know me.
Posted by scotsboyuk
Everyone happy here?
Remember that it's only an internet forum.
Posted by Aquila
Yes everythingīs alright. Guess we were carried away for a while in this forum:D
Posted by lazn
well i agree with that !!!
Posted by peeta
"Westerners targeting muslim groups are just playing into the terrorists hands as are muslims and liberal peaceniks who call for the U.S. to withdraw form Iraq"
you can't equally compare racist thugs with people who are against countries wrongly invading and occupying other countries for their own greedy self interests.