Posted by PeterKay
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Where was this studied? any written proof that ISLAM will terrorise the entire world?? That is totally incorrect. Please show us all your source. Nowhere in the Quran does it state 'terrorise the entire world' and nowhere does it state kill another human.
Posted by lazn
i meant to say that the history of the muslims is full of blood ... this blood & terror was inspired by the quran ....
Posted by lazn
the quran always said that the muslims should rule the world !!
Posted by lazn
& belive me ... i know alot more about the plastines & israelis ... i been there so many times & i desinged buildings in tel aviv & jerusalem ..
& i saw in my own eyes 2 explosions !
i talked to so many arabs in isreal & many israelis .. & i know what is the stroy... it all started at the peace confrence in oslo ...
& the "occupation" isn't really happening as they say it is ...
can you explain some thing to me ??
why when an palastinian sniper shoot a 8 MONTHS OLD girl in the head from a clear range of 800 meters while she was with her mother on the balcony is not a big deal ... you have to agree that this gilrl never did wrong to any one .. & never hurt a soul ...
but when the IDF forces ( isreals army ) killes a 16 years old boy with a gun on his hands is worse thing ever .. ??????
do you have any explantion for all this ... NO ... & do you know why this sniper shot this girl in her head ??!?!?!?!?! only because she's a jew ... sorry mate but this nothing but sickness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
palastinians killing israelis just because they think that jerusalem belong to then & because the israelis are jews !!!!!! this is totaly stupid !!
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Posted by axxxr
lazn you need to get your facts straight....the majority of what you said in your posts is completely and utterly wrong.
Posted by Egbert Nosh
According to the Quran anyone who does not believe is guaranteed a place in hell & his life has no worth whatsoever.
Jews and Christians are considered 'dhimmis' - lower level people.
Given these facts, there are no Moslems who are educated in Islam who could give a monkeys about the people who were killed even if their murder is condemned.
Additionally, Islam dictates that the world should come under the rule of Islamic law. This can be via violent means.
Now put 2 and 2 together for yourselves.
Islam is therefore greatest danger to the western world.. Blair and Bush are well aware of this but are too. afraid to say it. So they call it 'a war on terrorism' but the truth is it is a war on militant Islam
Posted by axxxr
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Its the same in Christianity and Judaism and a few other religions.Every faith preaches its superiority.
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This statement just proves the prejudice you have against muslims and Islam...You need to study Islam to really know what is teaches.
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Again in Christianity and Judism..Muslims and other faiths are considered low and inferior,all religions preach the superiority over other religions...so no change their.
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Christianity also states that it should be the supereme and final religion as does Judism.True muslims are always against violence and will always condem these kind of barbaric acts...These cold blooded killers do not represent Islam and are not muslims even if they portray themselves representing as such..the IRA when the way were bombing london in the 80's and 90's no one called them Christian fundamentalists did they?..they were mearly Murderers and so are these people who carried out this attack.
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The greatest danger to the world today is Bush and his brand of imperial politics....Islam has been around for Centuries alongside Christianity and the other great religions...I won't into go into the history of these faiths as this is a detailed debate and can be discussed elsewhere on this forum..you say militant Islam so what about us practicing Milititant Christianity in these countries which we choose to invade?
Posted by absinthebri
Here's part of the text of a press release from the Muslim Association of Britain:
The Muslim Association of Britain reiterates its total condemnation and unconditional denunciation of yesterday's terrible attacks on London and expresses its disgust with the contempt in which the perpetrators appear to hold human life.
Islam holds the sanctity of human life in the highest possible regard and shedding the blood of an innocent person is seen as a crime most heinous and repulsive.
The Muslim Association of Britain calls on Muslims everywhere to be clear and strong in declaring the fundamentals of Islam which emphasise the principles of peace, justice and humanity. It calls also on those living in London and elsewhere to provide all assistance and support requested by the emergency services and to contribute fully towards the smooth and successful progress of their work.
http://www.mabonline.info/english/
Posted by 02
@to whom it may concern
Thanks for the respect, positive spirit on my religion, Islam. It really shows how people in this world will bring peace one day, in this tiny world we share in.
This terror can go on and on and Islam will definately be the blame, no questions asked Islam will be 1st on everyones minds, hell i too think it would be some muslim guy with a twisted mind.. However i fail to realise, its not Islam to be blame, its the ones with its evil plans which just happen to be "Islam." Im an Islam, I've not killed any non-Islam.. nor any of my family or any1 that is Islam killing non-Islam. Majority of Islam does not follow this teachings of Terror, as IT is not stated in the Quran. Quran is a book telling us past,present,future event on our Prophets, world and the way one Islam should live - pray, donate, sins and whats not, its a guide of one should live to be a proper Islam. If the Quran states to kill, terror, hate then long ago we would already be in a World holy war, and i myself wouldnt be here bother to type this...
I an Islam, watching the News CNN late at night, i was about to sleep and this Breaking News came out, I was shocked!! Yes true... 1st-came in my mind was - 'where is the love?' and peoples dreams of world peace is still long ahead of us... im saying this is not because people hated me coz im an Islam, im surround by great friends with both Islam and non-Islam, im just concern as its my religion and this people succeed of giving my religion a bad name.
2nd- I went up to my laptop sending an email to my best friend asking if she and family is alright in London, and most of all shes not Islam she is a Christian.. and im saying a strict Christian.. reads the Bible goes to church and follow the way the Christian should live... and religion wasnt really an issue.. i knew her friends and family, she knew my friends my family.. we worked out ok..
Thus..
@lazn
thanks for bringing it up, and i understand u lived in one side of the story, why not you try living in the other side of the story and see if it is really true of what u just said.. i dont blame you, i blame the media and world leaders on both sides... maybe you should read this post we talked about..
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=56022&start=45
Posted by absinthebri
For people still keen to follow the events in London here's two excellent in-depth resources:
BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in[....]/london_explosions/default.stm
CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/london.bombing/
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Posted by Sammy_boy
What makes me laugh (or cry incredulously) is that both Islam and Christianity have THE SAME GOD!!!!!! They even both have Jesus as a prophet.
It makes me wonder if the world would be a better place with NO religion, so we can have less of this petty 'my religions better than yours' crap and people willing to wipe others out simply because of their religion
My mother told me this saying, not sure where it came from, it's quite true:
In a place where you have one religion you have a dictatorship/totalitarisnism
In a place where you have two religions you have war
In a place where you have three or more religions you have peace and freedom
What this saying doesn't say is what a place would be like with no religion - would it be a better place or a worse place?
Anyway, this thread is getting stupid now, it's degenerating into a flame war and way off topic! Everyone here thinks they're right and won't listen to other's viewpoints - just how the terrorists (and Bush!) probably think!
Posted by haynesycop
i know thats why i deleted my post
i apologise to the thread starter for any of my posts going off topic
these type of threads just dont work
Posted by PeterKay
Common Questions and Answers on Islam
Posted by axxxr
Their is some rumours on some forums and chat sites that it was the Israeli intelligence Mossad who were responsible for these attacks..I don't know how much truth their is in this though?..to early to blame this on anyone without any evidence.
Posted by PeterKay
Absolutely true Axxxr, too early to blame anyone it seems. However, the british media blames Islam just a few minutes after the attacks.
It could be anyone indeed but WHY they blame Islam immediately is what inspires all these common arguements!
And as i mentioned earler, Islam and Terrorism do not go together.
Posted by haynesycop
i agree 100%
it is not fair to label people of a certain religion
these people are fanatics who happen to be of islamic faith
that doesnt mean the others of the same religion are evil
people cant just stereotype all muslims
Posted by absinthebri
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Yawn. I wondered how long it would be before that one came up.
It was Mossad. The CIA. MI5. MI6. The Martians. The French (Paris lost the Olympic bid).
Do some people do ANYTHING but make up conspiracy theories?
Posted by PeterKay
Blame can be given to any faith but it does not prove that it is them until hard evidence is shown.
Even if it is proven that these Bombers were Muslims, let me say it once again - "Islam does not allow these actions and these people are not true muslims as they are not following their religion". It's because of these insane humans that my religion gets a bad name in the eyes of the world and i feel very hurt by this deep down.
I pray 5 times a day and know the whole Quran by heart word by word and am very proud of my religion. It gives us peace and tranquility in the heart and this is why it is the worlds fastest growing religion.
Whenever a terrorist act occurs in the world, ISLAM will be blamed but please try and understand what my religion is all about and then judge for yourselves.
As miss C said above, these people are not really muslims and their are a minority. Do not judge the whole Islamic religion because of these fools.
Since Thursdays actions we at our mosque have prayed sincerely for the innocent people killed and injured. We feel hurt also by the actions and the innocent lives lost.
Sorry to go on, but its hurts me when my religion gets accused because of some minority groups around the world.
Posted by haynesycop
i agree 110% with what you are saying
i am not a believer of any religion myself but i have an open mind and what you are saying is right
no religion whether it be islam, christianity or any other condones violence/murder
these people whoever they are are WRONG and should be punished
it is not fair to label anyone just because of other peoples actions
Posted by absinthebri
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I'm with you 100%. There appear to be people in every faith group who claim to do what they do in the name of their religion.
It's universal and it's so wrong, as most people of faith are peace-loving citizens.
Posted by axxxr
THREE HELD AT HEATHROW
Three men have been arrested at Heathrow Airport under the Prevention of Terrorism Act.But police say it would be inappropriate to draw any links with the bomb attacks in London.
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It just amazes me sometimes how much ignorance and prejudice their is out their in this world.
Have you also read the part in the Quran where it says that it is forbidden to spill the blood of an innocent.
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Posted by Sammy_boy
Hmmm, I can definately see why Scotsboyuk's suggested banning these kinds of threads.....
This thread's now gone waaaaaay off topic!
upper and lazn, would you both care for a handbag to swing at each other?
*ducks and runs away before the handbags get swung at sammyboy*
Posted by axxxr
upper just ignor lazn as he obviously a islamphobic muslim hater thats quite obvious...its best to ignore these racist types.
We really do need to stick to the topic now..otherwise its thread lock up time!
Posted by axxxr
London bombings coincide with security exercise
On July 7 BBC Radio five interviewed Peter Power, managing director of Visor Consultants, a "crisis management" consultant. Power, who used to work at Scotland Yard's Anti Terrorist Branch told the BBC that Visor was running a security exercise at the same times and places that the bombings took place.
Peter POWER: "At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.
HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?
POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.
Posted by lazn
i don't hate the ISLAM ... !!! you got me wrong !!!!!!
Posted by Sammy_boy
In an attempt to get somewhere back on topic:
Taken from Yahoo! News:, the police are asking for people to send in any images or videos taken from mobile phones to them. The email address especially set up for sending these images to is: images@met.police.uk
Posted by 02
hey... just received an email from my best friend from london.. thank God she n family is alright..
@Peterkay
ur a muslim? is Peter Kay ur real name?
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peter kay is a name of a comedian here in United Kingdom 
he is a very funny guy.
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No PeterKay is not my real name.
I am a Muslim and very very proud to be one. No matter what the world says about my religion - i will always be proud to be a Muslim.
Posted by upper
@peter kay: Thats the spirit my son!!!
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Posted by seanflynn
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Well said matey
I am white and I have many Muslim friends and to be honest there all cool guys and a great laugh!
They also grow some nice Skunk too!
Keep up the Good work PeterKay
Posted by axxxr
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Well said bro!
Posted by london-uk
On last Thursday I passed through Kings Cross tube, on my daily commute to work, immediately before the bomb went off. I have gone through various emotions since then, ranging from relief that I was unhurt, to guilt that I was ok whilst others were dead or injured. This has carried through into severe sorrow for the victims, and anger directed at the perpetrators of the killings. In all my contemplations, race, religion or creed has not been a feature. The acts of these monstrous people were indiscriminate, in so much as they were willing to kill anyone in their path, regardless of race or religion.
In my opinion, this is a time for people to come together, and not to create further divides between religious groupings. These terror bombs are not an issue of ethnicity nor religious standpoints, they are about humanity... If we can show our humanity through tolerance and understanding, then we will have defeated the terrorists inhumane goals.
In the wake of the bombings I have felt helpless with regard to helping the victims. I have found a small solace in being able to donate money to the victims through the Red Cross. If you should also wish to make a donation, here are the details:
www.redcross.org.uk/londonrelief
by telephone on 08705 125 125
by post to: London Bombings Relief Charitable Fund, c/o The Mayor of London, Freepost LON18968, Sheffield S98 1ZA
Posted by absinthebri
You stole my sig!
I posted the British Red Cross donation details a few days ago and I'm glad you posted them again. I can't make the bombs go away but by making a donation I at least think I've done *something*.
In the news today:
Can you believe it? All our leaders, and Londoners in general, are all of one mind - we will not cower, it's business as usual and simultaneously American service personel are being banned from inside the M25 area.
This concerns me on two levels - firsty, why this mixed message? Do they not think London safe? and, secondly, do they have specific threat intelligence that is not being made public.
US troops ordered to avoid London
Here's the text of a broadcast by Brian Walden in his little "Point of View" slot. I generally appreciate his wise and calm approach to a whole manner of subjects.
Here's the text:
A Point of View
Here's the audio
Posted by seanflynn
In this difficult hour, the people of Great Britain can know the American people stand with you
US president George W Bush
Go - On Bush well said -
Posted by london-uk
@absinthebri
Regarding US servicemen being told not to go London, I have just seen John Reid on BBC News 24, where he was saying that the decision was made on friday. At that time, general advice to londoners was not much different, so I don't think it's too much to worry about. I would presume that it's pretty standard operating procedure during such events as occurred.
Posted by absinthebri
@ london-uk
My recollection was for people not to make unnecessary journeys in the immediate aftermath and to assist the Emergency Services.
By the next day we were being advised to carry on as normally as possible.
Posted by upper
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lol you like her? huh huh huh propose mate thats the way to go. only teasing mate
Posted by soulframe
Another update:
Police: All Four Terror Bombers Died
All four suspected bombers died during the London terror attacks, according to police sources.Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said three bombers died in separate Tube attacks and one was killed in the No 30 bus blast.
Detectives believe all four were British citizens, Brunt said.
It was still not clear if the attackers were all suicide bombers.
This follows witness reports of a man on the bus in an agitated state constantly looking into his bag before the blast in Tavistock Square.
Brunt said police had made a number of arrests in Leeds today in relation to last Thursday's bombings.
They were also poised to make arrests in London, he said.
The news comes as armed police search a house in Leeds after the Army used a controlled explosion to get in.
Hundreds of people had already been evacuated from the area around Hyde Park Road, Burley.
No one was in the house at the time but armed officers had been used as a precaution.
Five other homes in Leeds had earlier been raided by police hunting the terrorists behind last week's attacks.
Neighbours at one of the addresses said a 22-year-old man who lived there with his family had gone missing.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the raids were "directly connected" to Thursday's atrocity.
Hours later, police evacuated Luton railway station and car park to recover a vehicle suspected of being linked with the terrorist attacks.
The car was blown up in a controlled explosion.
In other related news:
:: The death toll from the bombings is now at least 52 - although it is expected to rise higher.
:: Police have assigned family liaison officers to 74 families.
:: Detectives are scrutinising 2,500 tapes of CCTV footage in the hope of discovering vital clues which might identify the bombers.
:: Scores of families continue to await news of loved ones feared dead.
:: Police have released the names of two victims, Jamie Gordon and Philip Stuart Russell.
:: The Prime Minister has signed the official Book of Condolences for the victims of the attacks at City Hall in London.
Posted by absinthebri
Here's a Press Release issued within the past hour by the Muslim Association of Britain:
"The Muslim Association of Britain has today called for more emphasis to be placed on tackling the causes of terrorism. The organisation, which has condemned the bombings in London last week, said that a lot had been done in terms of counter-terrorism measures, but that little had been done to strike at the heart of the reasons why terrorism exists in the first place. Commenting, Anas Altikriti, MAB spokesperson said: “What happened in London completely and utterly repulses us. The finger of suspicion has been pointed on Muslims as being responsible for the atrocity. It goes without saying that if this is the case, these people are acting outside the framework of Islamic teachings. Nothing justifies the killing of innocents. “As British Muslims, there is a great responsibility on us. We are uniquely placed in this global faultline between Islam and the West, to help bridge this gap. We fully understand the psychology and background both of this country and the Muslim world. “With this in mind, we have to state once again that until the grievances of the Muslim world are addressed, the open wound from which blood trickled onto London will continue to exist. That wound is the injustices felt in Palestine, in Iraq and other parts of the Muslim world. It is the installing and propping up of dictators and stems from hundreds of years of colonialism. In the West, we have forgotten most of this – the Muslim world with its past hasn’t. “Once this is addressed, global security will prevail. Re-evaluating our foreign policy is not as easy task but must be done. We can throw as many counter-terrorism measures at the problem, lock up people indefinitely, stop and search people indiscriminately, make them carry ID cards, but we are not even sticking elastoplasts on the gaping wound this way. “To borrow and adapt one of the Prime Minister’s own phrases, we need to be tough on terrorism, and tough on the causes of terrorism.”
Posted by peeta
it makes me sick to think the bombers were british. That the people you might have seen everyday could have murdered those people. I hope that there arn't revenge attacks cos thats letting them win but how can you know if there's a nice guy or a suicide bomber driving you home after a friday night at Tiger Tiger. i'm afraid things are going to get a lot worse in this country now.
Having just read that last post i fully agree with what was said but must also point out that i myself am against what Bush et al are doing across the middle east and the rest of the world but i have not blown anyone up yet and have no plans to. Peaceful resistance is the only way they will be beaten.
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Posted by absinthebri
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Or perhaps the nice guy pays the taxes that buys the bombs that get dropped on women and children in Afghanistan?
Posted by peeta
then maybe a mass campaign to withhold paying taxes for that very reason should be the way forward. I read of a woman doing that very thing but over the iraq war.
Posted by upper
i stress out the fact that bush & blair has brought this uppon them selves, who remembers before the iraq war alot people were saying to blair n bush to not to go to war in iraq or there'll be 1000's bin ladens around, in another words there'll be 1000's of terrorists and its true, we are seeing it happening already. since the iraq war terrorist continuing setting off bombs in iraq everyday that is and in madrid and now in london, and 2 more car bombs went off in luton and i think i heard 1 more bomb went off in leeds correct me if i am wrong plz. and now i wonder where next.
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Posted by london-uk
People who are in such a deranged state as to attempt to justify the killing of innocent people should not be listened to. It is complete lunacy to advocate that we (the UK) should in some way have brought these mindless attacks upon ourselves. Our (elected!) government has done what it sees as reasonable in order to attempt to restore security to the world. The war in Iraq is wholly seperate to any attacks within this country, the bombers will quote any cause in order to validate their insane rampage.