Posted by seanflynn
Look at these poor buggers juming from the windows on sept 11
Posted by axxxr
sean please keep this on topic....this thread is not about sep 11.
Posted by seanflynn
Arnt they the same terrorists who struck at sept 11 mate?
Posted by axxxr
Yes maybe they are the same kind of terrorists but both are completely seperate events...If you do a search you will find other threads on Sep 11.
Posted by seanflynn
Ok Hairy muff
Posted by chazam
I'm disgusted with what's happened in London.
The people responsible need to be stopped.
The US attack, the Bali bombings and now this.
They MUST pay for it!
Posted by axxxr
I agree the these cold blooded murderers need to be stopped but the American and British government also has to take responsibilty for what has happened...you know the saying "As you Sow So Shall you Reap"
Posted by scotsboyuk
It's good to see everyone pulling together in London. The emergency services have really been wonderful, sterling work as always.
London is quite fortunate in that it has the capacity to deal with such an attack, many smaller towns or cities may not have.
Posted by masseur
but then many smaller towns and cities are probably less likely to be targetted
I'm working at BNP Paribas in London now and they were very well organised with a crisis group who made hourly announcements over the office wide PA/tannoy letting people know what was happening.
Most of the day we were strongly advised not to leave the building
Actually on my way to the office this morning I took the victoria line from victoria to oxford circus where I would change for the bakerloo line to marylebone but a train was broken down so that line was not operating. normally I would go back to the victoria line and head up to kings cross and change for the circle line but today, for some reason, I got out at Euston station and walked around the corner to Euston square and so by that chance I missed being at Kings cross around the time of the problems.
coming home tonight was pretty good. a couple of busses got me back to Victoria and a train left 10 minutes later to take me home
so well done to those dealing with this crisis be they emergency services or simply office groups updating the staff
Posted by scotsboyuk
@masseur
I'm pleased to hear of your good fortune as I'm sure we all are.
Given that smaller towns are less likely to be targetted, it also makes some sense that they may very well be for that very same reason.
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Posted by haynesycop
it is good to hear you are safe masseur
it is ironic sometimes that you change your daily routine and something like that happens
i wise decision you made there
i have to say by watching the news you can see just how calmly the situation was handled
the emergency services were amazing they way they dealt with everything
Posted by Cornholio_666
the death toll is officially at 37 now, 700 casualties total.
Posted by haynesycop
lets just be grateful it is only 37 and not 737
there shouldnt be any at all
Posted by themarques
I thank God this morning was dark and grey as I decided to have a lay in, had it been any other day I would have been bang spot on at Kings X around that time making my way to work...Scared the hell out of me, but then the fight continues..
Hope all you guys are well.
Posted by absinthebri
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Ditto. I had been on the Piccadilly Line to Russell Square on the past four mornings. As it was such a miserable morning I decided to run some errands close to home.
Posted by absinthebri
There's an informative 5 minute video on the BBC with some background on al-Qaeda, etc. It's called...
"See why al-Qaeda are linked with the London attacks"
...but I can't get it to link properly. It's worth searching out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
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Posted by vanquish
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Nah, you're scaremongering.
Posted by haynesycop
i am supposed to be going to liverpool on saturday night but i wont be going i know it sounds stupid but liverpool is a big city and anything could happen so i wont be going
not for a few weeks anyway
Posted by absinthebri
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So you've let the terrorists win, Miss C.. They want you to be scared. You're MUCH more likely to be killed by being run over crossing the road than any terrorist attack. Are you going to stop crossing roads?
Posted by haynesycop
i know you all think i am stupid but if i lived somewere remote i wouldnt be bothered but travelling to liverpool is different it is a major city who knows were they could strike next
it was on the news that liverpool are on alert
i know theres a small chance but it is still a chance
Posted by below24
Dont take public transport thats all.
That just means im not going into london.... damn and i wanted to go to TRAP. oh well.
Even my mom has stayed at home today. She works in London bridge...
This is awful
Posted by absinthebri
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Not at all!
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They could strike anywhere, anytime. They want you to be scared. The chances of you being caught up in terrorist action are minute. DO NOT LET THEM DICTATE HOW YOU LEAD YOUR LIFE!
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Sure. Everywhere is on alert. There's never been a SAFER time to go out, with all the security services on full alert.
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So you won't be crossing roads then? Or puting on the kettle (you *might* get electrocuted).
Life is full of risks. Terrorists attacks are a very minor one.
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Im sure you are much more likely to be killed by being run over, but EVERYONE is going to be thinking twice about using the underground, thinking twice about getting on that bus, its what happens after an attack like this.
After Sept 11th london underground saw a sharp decrease in the numbers of commuters, this picked up back to normal after a few month, no doubt they will see a much lower passange count in the comming months.
This is enevitable, i know people that refused to go to work this morning, i respect that.
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Posted by haynesycop
i know what you mean
but there is still a niggling doubt in my mind what you say is right
hmmmm
i hate these people who have done this
Posted by absinthebri
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Sure, so don't let them beat you! They WANT you to be scared; let them know we will never be ground down by them.
Posted by JiggyJaggy
I respect that also but think about it logically..if your a terrorist and you have struck the captial of Europe in many senses...are you likely to strike again on the next day? The fact that they set of 6/7 bombs/explosions yesterday shows they wanted to catch everyone off guard. Also they now London will be on high alert now, so what would be the point in attacking again today.
I know its easy to say this in hindsight but its the reactive nature of our intellegence units (rather than proactive) that are not helping. Terrorists will rarely ever attack again straight after an initial major attack, now the event has happened I doubt anything will happen again in the short short future.
Its a sad scenario anyhow.
Posted by haynesycop
that makes sense but you never know do you
this is just a horrible situation at the moment
i dont think we are safe anywere
what about euston station this morning they were evacuated werent they
Posted by DJcreamz
I think Miss C took the decision not to go into Liverpool based on what she knows, which is just as much anyone else knows, i dont think she needs some one "preaching" to her about what she is doing is letting terroists win.
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There has been an underground station evacuated most days for years due to a 'Suspect package'. It's not news, it's daily life in London. Victoria bus station has had a regular tannoy announcement reminding people not to leave their lugguage unattended or it will be destroyed.
Sh*t happens.
Posted by JiggyJaggy
I sympathise with Miss Copperfield. Fir enough you can say dont give into Terrorists, but DO YOU want to risk your life in that manner nd be worried when you go for a simple thing like shopping or for a drink/to a bar?
These people if caught should not be prosecuted...they should be given an immeadiate death sentance IMHO. Im not stpulating here as in terms of a particular religion/race/group of people...but those INDIVIDUALS should be "removed"...
Posted by haynesycop
i would just feel safer going to birkenhead rather than a city like liverpool
thats just my opinion
my friends think i am being daft
there probably right
i dont know
Posted by absinthebri
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Your fear is real and hardly surprising. But the terrorists have had EXACTLY the effect on you they planned; you're scared.
I'll be going in to Cental London shortly. What am I meant to do, stay in bed for a week?
Posted by Sammy_boy
There's bound to be a few 'false alarms' after something like this, people will be very jittery, and as Jiggy says, they're a regular occurence anyway.
As the website that Axxxr has put a thread on for, I'd say show you're not afraid and defy these terrorists by going to London Miss C, but if you decide not to (which is sounds like you have) go then your decision should be respected
@JiggyJaggy - I wouldn't use the death sentence, I'd rather see these people rot in jail for the rest of their lives, give them time to think about what they've done, and repent at leisure. And if they are Islamic extremists, who would probably be happy at the death sentence, a life in jail would be the ultimate punishment for them. Keep the b*stards alive for as long as possible as that is what they wouldn't want!
btw, is it just me or has the text window for posts suddenly gone very thin?
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You do what you feel is right, as does Miss C, as does everyone else.
By not carring on as ussual you are not letting the terroists, you are exersizing caution
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It was for a while, but my window is back to normal.
Posted by JiggyJaggy
Fair point about jail...its funy we spent years catching Sadam and now all is quiet....you never hear about him.
Posted by haynesycop
i am not talking about london there is no way i would even think about going there for along time
but i wouldnt have a reason to go anyway unless it was for a weekend break
it is the threat to other cities that i am jittery about
also i dont really feel like going out and getting drunk when all this has happened it doesnt seem right at all
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I'll be going to the Cathedral later to make offerings.
Life goes on for most of us. The best tribute we can have for the dead and injured is not to let the terroists beat us.
Posted by JiggyJaggy
Now THATS a valid point/reason.
I drove to wok today...and I tell you every single person I looked at in their cars was down and almost morbid. A friends mum was actually killed at Edgeware Road yesterday...put things into respective.
Makes things like messing around with toys and gadgets and going out on the town futile in comparison to what happened yeserday...
Posted by haynesycop
I have decided i am not going to go
I dont care what other people think i dont go out to liverpool every weekend anyway as i am not much of a drinker plus i am skint anyway
If my friends are real friends they will understand
I am not letting them win i am being cautious i would never forgive myself if anything happened that i was caught up in and left my family behind
It sounds stupid but thats what i am doing
There will be other nights out
Posted by scotsboyuk
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No, I'm making a salient point. They could attack the smaller towns and cities, which have less in the way of protection than London does. Scaremongering would be to start spreading rumours of such an attack or becoming hysterical about it.
It is quite prudent to note the danger, but one shouldn't become consumed by it.
Posted by haynesycop
i am so sorry to hear about your friends mum yesterday jiggyjaggy
that is just awful
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Posted by scotsboyuk
My father is flying down to London at this moment and I am rather pleased that he is. I have a trip to London planned for September and I shan't be cancelling it.
Everyone must do what they feel is right of course, but I am reminded of a story a friend once told me:
As a young woman living during the Blitz she was at her desk typing as German bombers began a raid. Both she and her colleague stayed at their desks whilst the raid went on. A bomb exploded nearby and smashed the windows of the building they were in. As the raid finished and my friend was covered in plaster, dust and shards of glass, she suddenly realised that she had made a typing mistake and turned to her friend and said 'Bugger!" before resuming her typing.
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Posted by haynesycop
i am going to stick with my decision
i think i will just invite a few friends round to my house instead
it is better to be safe than sorry
Posted by scotsboyuk
@miss c
Don't let other make you feel bad about your decision. Everyone must do what they feel is right in such circumstances and there is neither shame nor dishonour in choosing to be cautionary. The fact that you are choosing to go out at all is hardly indicative of giving in to fear, one doesn't have to be standing in the middle of a city to show courage.
I do hope that people won't avoid London though. I understand people are scared, but we must eventually carry on.
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No, you must do what you feel is right for you.
But I hope you feel able to carry on as normal very soon.
Posted by vanquish
@scotsboyuk
Yes, I suppose there is the possibility. Let's just hope they don't bother again, and that our secret service steps up and catches the guys before anything happens in the smaller towns where there is less of an emergency service!
Posted by scotsboyuk
I was listening to some debate on the role of the intelligence services in yesterday's attacks last night. There was some criticism of the intelligence services from some quarters, but I think this is rather unwarranted.
The attacks yesterday were of a nature that is very difficult to intercept. If it was a small terrorist cell acting on its own violation then there is probably little the intelligence services could have done. There have been a lot of plots foiled over the last few years, so I think we do need to give credit were it is due.
Hopefully they shall be able to catch those responsible, but we should remember what happened in Madrid when the terrorists were found.
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Posted by vanquish
What happened?
Posted by scotsboyuk
@vanquish
When the police cornered them they blew themselves up, taking a large part of the building they were in with them.